Same-Sex Marriage

[Lord Bitememan]

Ruyashie

TammiGirl

Ruyashie

ConnieNeon

RenFlower

First off, are you insinuating that homosexuals aren't allowed to be christians, and that any religion that accepts them must be wierd? Plus, are you saying that we shouldn't demand rights for people? Doesn't that go against the whole constitution. That people should say what they believe is right? Are you saying that we shouldn't be fighting to end sexism and racism because we shouldn't ask for more rights? Should people not stand up for their rights when they are wrongly treated? If anything, this puts us on the road to a BETTER democracy, where everyone really is treated equal.

I'm catholic, and in our church you CAN have a homosexual orientation, you just can't act on it because God made marriage for a man and a woman. The catholic church has nothing against people with homosexual orientations, and in my area, there is even a church specially for LGBT people (though they are welcome at any church). The point is, God made everyone the way they are for a reason, and everyone is equal in Gods eyes, as they should be in ours.

that makes no sense why would god make someone gay when he killed the gays(since they were part of the sinners) at soddom and gommorah

Because God is a lie and that silly book you referenced is a work of fiction.

thats ur opinion and i didnt really feel like hearing it. and if im gonna get like 5 reply sayin that i shouldnt say queer then i think this chick should be warned since thats waaay more offensive.

The comment is provocative but not directly insulting of any person or group. It is an opinion you may viscerally disagree with, but it was not directed in an insulting way. Had she said "Christians are (insert insulting term here") she might well be bounced out of here on her hind quarters. The term "queer" is an epithet, like calling a person of color a "coon." Epithets are a form of insult towards a group. If such a term existed to be directed towards Christians, and were it used, it would be similarly dealt with. Saying what she said is tantamount to saying "you are wrong." If we banned "you are wrong" from our discussions we wouldn't have very much to discuss.  

[marieaskelinton]

it's wrong it's sick and sinful  

[TammiGirl]

Sinful, eh? What part of the Bible says gay marriage is a sin?  

[Ruyashie]

TammiGirl

Sinful, eh? What part of the Bible says gay marriage is a sin?

like i said before in Genesis when God destroyed Soddom and:

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."
—Romans 1:26-27 (NKJV)

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."
—1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)

"Knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,"
—1 Timothy 1:9-10 (NKJV)  

[TammiGirl]

Romans 1:26-27

That said lust for other men, and implied sex. It said nothing about marriage. Ask any married man and they will tell you, sex and marriage have nothing to do with one another.

Corinthians 6:9-10

That just says being a homosexual itself is a sin. It said nothing about same sex marriage.

Timothy 1:9-10

That just says the law is made for the unrighteous, and included sodomites. It did not say same sex marriage once in there.  

[Ruyashie]

TammiGirl

Romans 1:26-27

That said lust for other men, and implied sex. It said nothing about marriage. Ask any married man and they will tell you, sex and marriage have nothing to do with one another.

Corinthians 6:9-10

That just says being a homosexual itself is a sin. It said nothing about same sex marriage.

Timothy 1:9-10

That just says the law is made for the unrighteous, and included sodomites. It did not say same sex marriage once in there.

seriously?? if ur gettin married to a guy and ur a guy ur being a homsexual.  

[TammiGirl]

No, if you're having sex with a guy, or wanting to have sex with a guy and nothing else, you're being a homosexual. Marriage has nothing to do with sex. People have sex both in and out of marriage. Also, sex isn't necessary for marriage. So, since somebody is gay, whether they're getting married or not, that's what those passages were addressing. They said nothing about marriage.  

[Hyrookoo]

TammiGirl

No, if you're having sex with a guy, or wanting to have sex with a guy and nothing else, you're being a homosexual. Marriage has nothing to do with sex. People have sex both in and out of marriage. Also, sex isn't necessary for marriage. So, since somebody is gay, whether they're getting married or not, that's what those passages were addressing. They said nothing about marriage.

O.O OMG If you truly love someone, then you will want to marry them. If you want to marry them, then on the honymoon night, you generally have sex with them. I am sure it is the sam way with heterosexuals and homosexuals. The only REAL exeption to this is if you marry someone of the same sex so that they don't get deported. Even then, that is not right because of the vows of marraige.

Civil union is alright with me, but no marraige in a church  

[Hyrookoo]

Lord Bitememan

Ruyashie

TammiGirl

Ruyashie

ConnieNeon

RenFlower

First off, are you insinuating that homosexuals aren't allowed to be christians, and that any religion that accepts them must be wierd? Plus, are you saying that we shouldn't demand rights for people? Doesn't that go against the whole constitution. That people should say what they believe is right? Are you saying that we shouldn't be fighting to end sexism and racism because we shouldn't ask for more rights? Should people not stand up for their rights when they are wrongly treated? If anything, this puts us on the road to a BETTER democracy, where everyone really is treated equal.

I'm catholic, and in our church you CAN have a homosexual orientation, you just can't act on it because God made marriage for a man and a woman. The catholic church has nothing against people with homosexual orientations, and in my area, there is even a church specially for LGBT people (though they are welcome at any church). The point is, God made everyone the way they are for a reason, and everyone is equal in Gods eyes, as they should be in ours.

that makes no sense why would god make someone gay when he killed the gays(since they were part of the sinners) at soddom and gommorah

Because God is a lie and that silly book you referenced is a work of fiction.

thats ur opinion and i didnt really feel like hearing it. and if im gonna get like 5 reply sayin that i shouldnt say queer then i think this chick should be warned since thats waaay more offensive.

The comment is provocative but not directly insulting of any person or group. It is an opinion you may viscerally disagree with, but it was not directed in an insulting way. Had she said "Christians are (insert insulting term here") she might well be bounced out of here on her hind quarters. The term "queer" is an epithet, like calling a person of color a "coon." Epithets are a form of insult towards a group. If such a term existed to be directed towards Christians, and were it used, it would be similarly dealt with. Saying what she said is tantamount to saying "you are wrong." If we banned "you are wrong" from our discussions we wouldn't have very much to discuss.

You would be right if in any other situation. Calling the bible a work of fiction is an insult to many Christians. It is like when a little kid overhears their parents saying santa isn't real. They are insulted. It is a similar situation. Calling the bible fiction is like saying santa doesn't exist. Though God does exist, the concept is the same  

[Lord Bitememan]

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You would be right if in any other situation.

I'm right in this situation too.

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Calling the bible a work of fiction is an insult to many Christians.

Then that's their problem. What next, am I supposed to warn and boot people who think deficits are bad because some Keynesian might be offended? If you want to advance any argument as a justification for some action, you have to be prepared for the counter-argument that your basis of action might be wrong. If someone is too damned thin-skinned to cope with that, they've got no business in a political debate. If someone doesn't want to encounter the argument of whether or not religion is true or not, they'd better not advance it as a policy justification.

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It is like when a little kid overhears their parents saying santa isn't real. They are insulted.

No, they're generally saddened because their world was shattered, not insulted. And no, it's not a moderation issue.

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Calling the bible fiction is like saying santa doesn't exist. Though God does exist, the concept is the same

The existence of God or Santa is not a moderation issue. Whether or not calling the Bible fiction is an insult worthy of moderation is a moderation issue, and the call has been made. If you don't like the call, take your complaint to the guild owner.  

[FivestringShredder]

TammiGirl

Romans 1:26-27

That said lust for other men, and implied sex. It said nothing about marriage. Ask any married man and they will tell you, sex and marriage have nothing to do with one another.

Corinthians 6:9-10

That just says being a homosexual itself is a sin. It said nothing about same sex marriage.

Timothy 1:9-10

That just says the law is made for the unrighteous, and included sodomites. It did not say same sex marriage once in there.

its still a sin cuz its still homosexuality u retard  

[Rainbowfied Mouse]

ashmaster 76

TammiGirl

Romans 1:26-27

That said lust for other men, and implied sex. It said nothing about marriage. Ask any married man and they will tell you, sex and marriage have nothing to do with one another.

Corinthians 6:9-10

That just says being a homosexual itself is a sin. It said nothing about same sex marriage.

Timothy 1:9-10

That just says the law is made for the unrighteous, and included sodomites. It did not say same sex marriage once in there.

its still a sin cuz its still homosexuality u retard

These talk of gay sex, not of gay marriage. Ever hear of asexual homoromantic/homoamorous? Some straight couples don't have sex either, crazy right.  

[Lord Bitememan]

ashmaster 76

TammiGirl

Romans 1:26-27

That said lust for other men, and implied sex. It said nothing about marriage. Ask any married man and they will tell you, sex and marriage have nothing to do with one another.

Corinthians 6:9-10

That just says being a homosexual itself is a sin. It said nothing about same sex marriage.

Timothy 1:9-10

That just says the law is made for the unrighteous, and included sodomites. It did not say same sex marriage once in there.

its still a sin cuz its still homosexuality u retard

Pay attention all, here's how we tell the difference between moderator level offenses and things you just don't like hearing.

ashmaster 76, do not call people retard's in debates. It constitutes flaming and is prohibited in this guild.  

[Servant Reborn]

Why would two people of the same sex get married then? If they didn't want to be with each other, they would not marry, unless it was for legal reasons. Anyway, I think Lust can be problematic for any relationship, homosexual or otherwise.

What's my stance? It's complicated. I understand why homosexuals would want the same right to marry as heterosexuals, but I don't think it is a holy act.

Nonetheless, I realize we live in a worldly world, not a heavenly one. Again, I understand, but I don't agree. People are free to debate the validity of my belief, but in the end, it won't change my values or belief.

We do live in a complicated world.

ps: Regardless of which position is taken, respect should be given to the involved parties and that's that.  

[TammiGirl]

Hyrookoo

TammiGirl

No, if you're having sex with a guy, or wanting to have sex with a guy and nothing else, you're being a homosexual. Marriage has nothing to do with sex. People have sex both in and out of marriage. Also, sex isn't necessary for marriage. So, since somebody is gay, whether they're getting married or not, that's what those passages were addressing. They said nothing about marriage.

O.O OMG If you truly love someone, then you will want to marry them. If you want to marry them, then on the honymoon night, you generally have sex with them. I am sure it is the sam way with heterosexuals and homosexuals. The only REAL exeption to this is if you marry someone of the same sex so that they don't get deported. Even then, that is not right because of the vows of marraige.

Civil union is alright with me, but no marraige in a church

If you truly love someone, you may well have sex with them many, many times before marriage. Also, if you're poor, there may not be a honeymoon. You're assuming rituals dictate behavior, and they do not. Just because people get married doesn't necessarily mean they will go on a honeymoon and have sex. And, inversely, just because people aren't married doesn't mean they aren't having sex. As to not wanting marriage in a church, well, that's a pretty bold statement. Eliminating all marriages from churches would be an interesting thing to see.

ashmaster 76

TammiGirl

Romans 1:26-27

That said lust for other men, and implied sex. It said nothing about marriage. Ask any married man and they will tell you, sex and marriage have nothing to do with one another.

Corinthians 6:9-10

That just says being a homosexual itself is a sin. It said nothing about same sex marriage.

Timothy 1:9-10

That just says the law is made for the unrighteous, and included sodomites. It did not say same sex marriage once in there.

its still a sin cuz its still homosexuality u retard

Well, I'll avoid getting into any more hot water with LB. All I'll say is, none of those passages said marriage. They said homosexuality in general, and homosexual sex. For a gay person, waking up in the morning and realizing "hey, I'm gay," is being gay.

A Lonely Leaf

Why would two people of the same sex get married then? If they didn't want to be with each other, they would not marry, unless it was for legal reasons. Anyway, I think Lust can be problematic for any relationship, homosexual or otherwise.

What's my stance? It's complicated. I understand why homosexuals would want the same right to marry as heterosexuals, but I don't think it is a holy act.

Nonetheless, I realize we live in a worldly world, not a heavenly one. Again, I understand, but I don't agree. People are free to debate the validity of my belief, but in the end, it won't change my values or belief.

We do live in a complicated world.

ps: Regardless of which position is taken, respect should be given to the involved parties and that's that.

Why does anyone want to get married? The last I checked, the whole "love" thing is far from the reason a lot of people do so. Some people get married because they fear being alone. Some people get married for financial incentive. Some people get married because Uncle Rajiv and his coworker Bishnu worked out a deal to marry off their progeny. Oh yeah, I guess everyone here neglected the overwhelming number of arranged marriages that occur in the world. Some people get married due to family pressure. Some people get married due to social pressure. Hell, wasn't there a TV show several years back called "Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire?" That falls under the heading of some people marry for entertainment. So, yeah, people get married for lots of reasons. The Bible doesn't seem to have any prohibitions against same sex marriage, just prohibitions against gay sex and gay love. As I listed above, there's plenty of reasons for gay people to get married that have nothing to do with love, just like straight people. So, I'm not seeing that the prohibition applies.

As to whether or not it's a holy act, I don't see anything in the Bible that says a husband can't give his wife a dutch oven (no, it's not sexual), but I wouldn't call a dutch oven a holy act either.