Same-Sex Marriage

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BlueSpartan058

Yeah you could even take a look at our money, In God We Trust, or our pledge as one Nation under God, I would agree with Mouse that this is a Christian based society

However this is a secularist country. There is no state religion, a separation between church and state and there are millions in this country who follow other religions or are atheists. Therefore the reason gay marriage or civil unions are not allowed should not be because of religious reasons but rather because its proven that it causes some legitimate problem. We can’t allow some book written 2,000 years ago to dictate our lives when we live in a totally different society then when it was written. It also says in the bible that adultery is a sin, so should we make adultery a punishable crime?  

[Gelasius]

there are churches which allow same sex marriages no matter what the bible says. If the bible is a living thing, same sex marriages should be allowed. Then of course, my copy of the bible is alongside the ancient Greek and Roman myths.  

[RenFlower]

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BlueSpartan058

Yeah you could even take a look at our money, In God We Trust, or our pledge as one Nation under God, I would agree with Mouse that this is a Christian based society

However this is a secularist country. There is no state religion, a separation between church and state and there are millions in this country who follow other religions or are atheists. Therefore the reason gay marriage or civil unions are not allowed should not be because of religious reasons but rather because its proven that it causes some legitimate problem. We can’t allow some book written 2,000 years ago to dictate our lives when we live in a totally different society then when it was written. It also says in the bible that adultery is a sin, so should we make adultery a punishable crime?

Exactly! There are many things that the bible says are wrong, yet they are perfectly acceptable in todays society. Times change, so why should we rely on a book written so long ago? One thing though, what legitimate problems are you talking about?  

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RenFlower

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BlueSpartan058

Yeah you could even take a look at our money, In God We Trust, or our pledge as one Nation under God, I would agree with Mouse that this is a Christian based society

However this is a secularist country. There is no state religion, a separation between church and state and there are millions in this country who follow other religions or are atheists. Therefore the reason gay marriage or civil unions are not allowed should not be because of religious reasons but rather because its proven that it causes some legitimate problem. We can’t allow some book written 2,000 years ago to dictate our lives when we live in a totally different society then when it was written. It also says in the bible that adultery is a sin, so should we make adultery a punishable crime?

Exactly! There are many things that the bible says are wrong, yet they are perfectly acceptable in todays society. Times change, so why should we rely on a book written so long ago? One thing though, what legitimate problems are you talking about?

I meant that there should be a legitimate reason, supported by facts and reasoning for why gay marriage and civil unions should not be allowed.  

[RenFlower]

Yes, and I have yet to see a real legitimate problem to this issue.  

[allypoohbear]

It's probably because we live in an incredibly immoral society that you don't understand why it's wrong. Back 100 years ago, women and men took sex seriously, more seriously than today. Today it is merely a fun thing to do, or a "symbol" of love. Before sex was about a man and a woman loving each other so much they wanted to bring a family into the world. But homosexuals cannot bring children naturally into this world. That is why the church does not allow homosexuals to get married in the church, and it is not so much that being a homosexual is a sin, it is having sex as a homosexual that is a sin because it is not natural and does not bring children in the world as god created it too. But now, today, sex is too casual, and so many people don't understand why the church would deny that right, but really there is a reason, it's just that we're too immoral to understand or respect it  

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allypoohbear

It's probably because we live in an incredibly immoral society that you don't understand why it's wrong. Back 100 years ago, women and men took sex seriously, more seriously than today. Today it is merely a fun thing to do, or a "symbol" of love. Before sex was about a man and a woman loving each other so much they wanted to bring a family into the world. But homosexuals cannot bring children naturally into this world. That is why the church does not allow homosexuals to get married in the church, and it is not so much that being a homosexual is a sin, it is having sex as a homosexual that is a sin because it is not natural and does not bring children in the world as god created it too. But now, today, sex is too casual, and so many people don't understand why the church would deny that right, but really there is a reason, it's just that we're too immoral to understand or respect it

This is not a debate over Homosexuality being right or wrong. The topic here is to discuss the reasons for or against gay marriages and civil unions. Nothing in your post really states why homosexuals shouldn't marry (outside of church) or have a civil union.  

[allypoohbear]

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allypoohbear

It's probably because we live in an incredibly immoral society that you don't understand why it's wrong. Back 100 years ago, women and men took sex seriously, more seriously than today. Today it is merely a fun thing to do, or a "symbol" of love. Before sex was about a man and a woman loving each other so much they wanted to bring a family into the world. But homosexuals cannot bring children naturally into this world. That is why the church does not allow homosexuals to get married in the church, and it is not so much that being a homosexual is a sin, it is having sex as a homosexual that is a sin because it is not natural and does not bring children in the world as god created it too. But now, today, sex is too casual, and so many people don't understand why the church would deny that right, but really there is a reason, it's just that we're too immoral to understand or respect it

This is not a debate over Homosexuality being right or wrong. The topic here is to discuss the reasons for or against gay marriages and civil unions. Nothing in your post really states why homosexuals shouldn't marry (outside of church) or have a civil union.

I have no problems with homosexuals having civil unions, just marriage. What i mean't by my statement is that marriage used to be intended for having families. People got married because they wanted to start a family the natural way. Homosexuals can't start families the natural way, therefore should not undermine the original meaning of marriage. They can have a civil union, just not marriage.  

[Zeptan]

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allypoohbear

It's probably because we live in an incredibly immoral society that you don't understand why it's wrong. Back 100 years ago, women and men took sex seriously, more seriously than today. Today it is merely a fun thing to do, or a "symbol" of love. Before sex was about a man and a woman loving each other so much they wanted to bring a family into the world. But homosexuals cannot bring children naturally into this world. That is why the church does not allow homosexuals to get married in the church, and it is not so much that being a homosexual is a sin, it is having sex as a homosexual that is a sin because it is not natural and does not bring children in the world as god created it too. But now, today, sex is too casual, and so many people don't understand why the church would deny that right, but really there is a reason, it's just that we're too immoral to understand or respect it

This is not a debate over Homosexuality being right or wrong. The topic here is to discuss the reasons for or against gay marriages and civil unions. Nothing in your post really states why homosexuals shouldn't marry (outside of church) or have a civil union.

But it did state why it isn't allowed right now, which pretains to the topic at hand.  

[Zeptan]

Why shouldn't we allow same-sex marriage? Is it because in the bible, it states sodimy is a sin? Yes. Is it because marriage was intended to be a religious ceremony for a man and a woman? Yes.

I don't mind Civil Unions, but Marriage has some religion mixed in there.  

[allypoohbear]

game100guy

Why shouldn't we allow same-sex marriage? Is it because in the bible, it states sodimy is a sin? Yes. Is it because marriage was intended to be a religious ceremony for a man and a woman? Yes.

I don't mind Civil Unions, but Marriage has some religion mixed in there.

THank You! For a moment there i thought i was the only one who understood my statement!  

[Kysaara]

your not the only one, there are a few more, including me, that agree, its just i'v already argued my point so i'm just hearing the same basic arguments.  

[RenFlower]

Actually, Marriage took place long before the bible was written.  

[RenFlower]

Plus, the bible says its a sin to lie with another man. That means lesbians aren't commiting a sin. And that would be sexist. You could argue that man means either men or women, but then it could be saying that a man and a woman cant lie with each other.  

[Dark_Spartan117]

RenFlower

Actually, Marriage took place long before the bible was written.

im sure they had unions... but the term marriage was first used in religious cermonies and as far as we know, marriages first originated in the jewish faith and later became a christinan ceremony