I hate youtube.

[Sloth Prince]

Alright, so I got into an argument with some idiot on youtube.
Apparently, there's not enough evidence for evolution, so evolution must be a myth.

D:
Help me out here?
His name's gnatural.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaCi_JJLCyY#Q1ypJnerRQc

Basically, I'm really bad at arguing evolution with someone who denies everything I throw at him.
mad

That and youtube's stupid new comment system is making things rather difficult.  

[Tenth Speed Writer]

There's not enough evidence for creation, so creation must be a myth.



D< The Theory of Evolution isn't perfect, that's why it's not a law, but it's just.. utterly childish to toss all the research we've done out the window and give up just because creation sounds better.  

[Redem]

In science Laws are basically short descriptions of relationships in nature. Commonly mathematical in nature. They're no more"proven" than theories.

And are hypothetically easier to disprove.

Theories are large scale explanations of observed phenomenon, and are the work of many people over many years. Each refining the model to better explain the universe.

Theories are the ultimate goal of science, not Laws.

I'll post a few things on the thread, but I rarely hang out on youtube much, PM me if you need anything specific.  

[Tenth Speed Writer]

Redem

In science Laws are basically short descriptions of relationships in nature. Commonly mathematical in nature. They're no more"proven" than theories.

And are hypothetically easier to disprove.

Theories are large scale explanations of observed phenomenon, and are the work of many people over many years. Each refining the model to better explain the universe.

Theories are the ultimate goal of science, not Laws.

I'll post a few things on the thread, but I rarely hang out on youtube much, PM me if you need anything specific.

Le sigh.

Forgive me if my education of definitions is not enough for you, but if the goal is not to determine an absolute truth, a law, then what would make an educated conclusion, a theory, so much more worthy of praise?  

[Baron von Turkeypants]

Tenth Speed Writer

There's not enough evidence for creation, so creation must be a myth.

D< The Theory of Evolution isn't perfect, that's why it's not a law, but it's just.. utterly childish to toss all the research we've done out the window and give up just because creation sounds better.

Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson.

What do you mean "isn't perfect?"

They will, in fact, calm up.

 

[Tenth Speed Writer]

Baron von Turkeypants

Tenth Speed Writer

There's not enough evidence for creation, so creation must be a myth.

D< The Theory of Evolution isn't perfect, that's why it's not a law, but it's just.. utterly childish to toss all the research we've done out the window and give up just because creation sounds better.

Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson.

What do you mean "isn't perfect?"

They will, in fact, calm up.

Are you claiming it is?  

[Redem]

Tenth Speed Writer

Forgive me if my education of definitions is not enough for you, but if the goal is not to determine an absolute truth, a law, then what would make an educated conclusion, a theory, so much more worthy of praise?

Two reasons.

One, laws do not represent absolute truth. Newton's laws of gravity for example, they're just vague approximations that only work at low relative speeds, and not near large gravitational bodies.

And two, the whole point is to find explanations, not just characterise relationships.

With theories are where we find out why things happen. Knowing why things fall is more useful that simply knowing that they do.  

[Tenth Speed Writer]

Redem

Tenth Speed Writer

Forgive me if my education of definitions is not enough for you, but if the goal is not to determine an absolute truth, a law, then what would make an educated conclusion, a theory, so much more worthy of praise?

Two reasons.

One, laws do not represent absolute truth. Newton's laws of gravity for example, they're just vague approximations that only work at low relative speeds, and not near large gravitational bodies.

And two, the whole point is to find explanations, not just characterise relationships.

With theories are where we find out why things happen. Knowing why things fall is more useful that simply knowing that they do.

Again, forgive me for having a different definition.  

[ProjectOmicron88]

This is where people get confused. A theory does not mean a guess, or even an educated guess. A theory is a well-established, well-documented fact. Remember that we have something called the theory of gravity. Now in mathematical terms, gravity is a law. The term "law" as it's used in science refers to a mathematical construct, whereas a "theory" refers to a scientific construct.  

[Tenth Speed Writer]

ProjectOmicron88

This is where people get confused. A theory does not mean a guess, or even an educated guess. A theory is a well-established, well-documented fact. Remember that we have something called the theory of gravity. Now in mathematical terms, gravity is a law. The term "law" as it's used in science refers to a mathematical construct, whereas a "theory" refers to a scientific construct.

No, and forgive me again for disagreeing with definition, but a theory is not a fact; it's a hypothesis for which the evidence is strong, and for which there is little or no respected counter proof after extensive research.  

[ProjectOmicron88]

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ProjectOmicron88

This is where people get confused. A theory does not mean a guess, or even an educated guess. A theory is a well-established, well-documented fact. Remember that we have something called the theory of gravity. Now in mathematical terms, gravity is a law. The term "law" as it's used in science refers to a mathematical construct, whereas a "theory" refers to a scientific construct.

No, and forgive me again for disagreeing with definition, but a theory is not a fact; it's a hypothesis for which the evidence is strong, and for which there is little or no respected counter proof after extensive research.

Sorry, I just caught that. Let me rephrase: A theory is a collection of well-established, well-documented facts, presented as truth based on current scientific knowledge.  

[Baron von Turkeypants]

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Baron von Turkeypants

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There's not enough evidence for creation, so creation must be a myth.
D< The Theory of Evolution isn't perfect, that's why it's not a law, but it's just.. utterly childish to toss all the research we've done out the window and give up just because creation sounds better.

Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson.

What do you mean "isn't perfect?"

They will, in fact, calm up.

Are you claiming it is?

Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson.

Yes, I am. Now please stop avoiding the question.

They will, in fact, calm up.

 

[Minaberries]

That vid pissed me off  

[Tenth Speed Writer]

Baron von Turkeypants

Tenth Speed Writer

Baron von Turkeypants

Tenth Speed Writer

There's not enough evidence for creation, so creation must be a myth.
D< The Theory of Evolution isn't perfect, that's why it's not a law, but it's just.. utterly childish to toss all the research we've done out the window and give up just because creation sounds better.

Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson.

What do you mean "isn't perfect?"

They will, in fact, calm up.

Are you claiming it is?

Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson.

Yes, I am. Now please stop avoiding the question.

They will, in fact, calm up.

...I mean that it isn't perfect?

You can't say it is. There's always something new to be learned. Such a claim is just counterproductive arrogance.  

[Baron von Turkeypants]

Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson.

Please stop avoiding the question. All you have to do is show me how it isn't perfect. Instead, you resort to ad hominem attacks.

They will, in fact, calm up.