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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:59 pm
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:13 pm
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:22 pm
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My mom bought that book. She thought that the ontological argument meant that you could imagine the most perfect flutterby (or anything) and it would be real, and she was like, "That's obviously false, so why all the fuss?"
But the ontological argument actually starts by saying that "god" is the greatest thing that can be imagined, and it also claims that the greatest thing that can be imagined would be a real thing, because we can conceive of something existing.
The ontological argument might be a little easier to talk about if we equated "great" with "powerful". So, it claims that if you imagine something really powerful, it would be more powerful if it were real, so it must be real, so that it can be "god".
Nope, that doesn't make any sense, either.
So, the problem with the ontological argument is that it assumes that something must be real just because we can imagine it.
This seems really idiotic. Am I over-looking something?
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:34 pm
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:37 pm
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:10 am
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:22 am
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:52 am
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Rilian D i v i n i t y I've read The God Delusion, The End of Faith, god is not Great. I wanna get: How to be a good atheist, the portable atheist, and letter to a christian nation. Of the ones you listed, I've read the 1st, 2nd, and 6th. I own the 5th and the 6th. I wish to read the 3rd. I love the third book. :]
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:58 pm
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:37 pm
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:34 pm
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Sharp Santini KuroFur Sadly I've never read ANy of those, and The God Delusion was the only one I've ever heard of... There was one book called "God: The Failed Hypothesis" that I tried to get when I first realized my atheism... ah, my mother put a stop to that quickly, because me trying to get it was how she found out... Anyway, that was a year ago, and if it wasn't $30 I'd get it. Interesting book... it was full of those interesting "X does y. Y does z. Therefore x must equal z. But x does not." deals. That's called a Syllogism. : ) Ah, yes, that was it. The "Law of Syllogism."
It just strikes me as funny that what I used in math class is applied to religion.
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:43 pm
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I just finished The God Delusion in the last month or so, and I found it quite interesting. It really helped me flesh out my own ideas, I think.
I'm currently reading a book by A. C. Grayling called Life, Sex, and Ideas: The Good Life Without God, which is very good. It's not a book about atheism exactly. Rather, it's a collection of essays about various issues and ideas (Art, Justice, Religion, etc.) and how they ought to be approached, with most of them containing something or other that indicates that a god isn't necessary (mostly indirectly).
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