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 Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:10 am
Knowing, that Richard Wagner is maybe a very controversial composer, I decided to place this new topic here, thinking, that he is a creator of really beautiful music.
His music is often known as very loud and hard, many people associate automatically the ride of the valkyries. But his music is also very sensitive, sometimes melancholic. A good example for that could be his latest opera Parsifal, also a good example is the overture of Lohengrin.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:36 pm
I love the overture to Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg. Superb music all-around.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:17 pm
Yeah, his Lohengrin, Prelude to Act I is all around the most beautiful peice I've ever heard...His Tannhauser Overture is perfect...and, as I got lucky once, the whole Ring of the Nibelung cycle is my favorite operas...Finally, a topic about Wagner...what a ninja-opera composer... ninja
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:22 pm
Sorry, but I can't forgive his huge ego and his anti-semitism.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:26 pm
midgetmushroom Sorry, but I can't forgive his huge ego and his anti-semitism. Personally, I think it's important to separate the artist from the art they create. Obviously, personal attitudes are going to filter in. But to say that because of someone's beliefs, they made bad art is going a bit far. I personally find him to be a bit long-winded and tiresome at times, but there's no denying his importance in the history of western music.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:49 pm
Amphion midgetmushroom Sorry, but I can't forgive his huge ego and his anti-semitism. Personally, I think it's important to separate the artist from the art they create. Obviously, personal attitudes are going to filter in. But to say that because of someone's beliefs, they made bad art is going a bit far. I personally find him to be a bit long-winded and tiresome at times, but there's no denying his importance in the history of western music. I've always found it ironic that Wagner has forever been marred for being an anti-semite because his music was played at concentration camps, while Richard Strauss, who brushed elbows with the Nazis and was director for the Reichskammermusik, seems to have been given an easy pass. I like some of his music, but it bothers me to listen to Strauss, because I'm more disgusted by him, and it's harder to separate for me, imo. I'm not letting Wagner off easy, but shouldn't Strauss and Orff be just as controversial, if not more so?
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:18 pm
liebestraume I'm not letting Wagner off easy, but shouldn't Strauss and Orff be just as controversial, if not more so? Probably, though I'd still enjoy Carmina Burana. I was actually quite disturbed reading about Strauss in The Rest is Noise. What did Orff do, though? And personality-wise, Schoenberg and Boulez are really intolerable.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:17 pm
I love the Gotterdammerung part of the Ring - really awesome stuff, especially the low introduction by the celli/basses.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:32 pm
waterstream I love the Gotterdammerung part of the Ring - really awesome stuff, especially the low introduction by the celli/basses. O yes, that is really awesome. A fascinating sound.
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:34 pm
Amphion liebestraume I'm not letting Wagner off easy, but shouldn't Strauss and Orff be just as controversial, if not more so? Probably, though I'd still enjoy Carmina Burana. I was actually quite disturbed reading about Strauss in The Rest is Noise. What did Orff do, though? And personality-wise, Schoenberg and Boulez are really intolerable. Absolutely. Can't stand either one of them. As for Orff: Quote: Orff was a personal friend of Kurt Huber, one of the founders of the resistance movement Die Weiße Rose (the White Rose), who was condemned to death by the Volksgerichtshof and executed by the Nazis in 1943. After World War II, Orff claimed that he was a member of the group, and was himself involved in the resistance, but there was no evidence for this other than his own word, and other sources dispute his claim. Canadian historian Michael H. Kater made in earlier writings a particularly strong case that Orff collaborated with Nazi authorities [1], but in his most recent publication "Composers of the Nazi Era: Eight Portraits" (2000) Kater has taken back his earlier accusations to some extent. Orff's assertion that he had been anti-Nazi during the war was accepted by the American de-nazification authorities, who changed his previous category of "gray unacceptable" to "gray acceptable", enabling him to continue to compose for public presentation. It's not clear cut, but he's more of a Nazi than Richard Wagner was, at any rate. I agree, love Carmina Burana (listening to the original "Carmina Burana" in my Medieval Music class, though, and I love that one more mrgreen )!
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:42 pm
liebestraume (listening to the original "Carmina Burana" in my Medieval Music class, though, and I love that one more mrgreen )! Ooooh! Is there a commercial recording available? I wants to get my hands on that...
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:25 pm
Probably, since we have it on the listening list for my class! Good luck finding them on youtube, though, since they have the verbatim lyrics as the Orff one, lol. mrgreen
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:41 pm
Hmmm... I do have a thing against him since I recently found out who he was.. Honestly, I think it's also a great thing to know who composers are, but not personally--just as we know of real life people who we think are good, but different in other people's opinion. I love his music, but now I feel distant because I disliked the kind of person he was.
I'm fine enjoying all the different kinds of music. I don't want something to ruin it all for me; for any composer, really. ;D
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:16 pm
Wagner.... my piano teacher hates him passionately. Finds his music abominable, and refuses to teach anything he wrote for keyboard on account of the fact that she was forced to sit through The Flying Dutchman without ever having heard a german opera before.
I've only ever heard Das Rheingold (I have the whole cycle in a box in my room, it's just a matter of playing it.) but that was one amazing opera biggrin
and bah, i don't like Schoenberg or Boulez's piano music. At All.
There was something by Schoenberg I did like though... I don't remember what, though.
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