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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:46 am
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:55 pm
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Edi Gammon 1- Atheists have no morals because they have nowhere to turn to to get their morals I'd point out that Christians don't get their morals exclusively from the bible either, and show that people of other cultures and creeds across time have had morals no matter what they believe.2- Atheists believe life is meaningless because we arose with no cause Who says we had no cause? Why do Christians think that in order to have a meaningful life you must believe life was caused in some specific way?3- The universe is so perfectly designed. The earth is so perfectly positioned for life so that life can actually live on earth without freezing or burning to death. It all just works out too perfectly. Someone must've made it like that Or we just happen to be here at the time when life can be supported on this planet. Once upon a time there was virtually zero free oxygen in the atmosphere and the ground was molten lava.... and yes that was more than 6000 years ago. Also in the distant future the sun will go through phases that burn this place to a crisp.... and that's way sooner than the rapture is going to happen. Not to mention that living things have been freezing to death every winter (and anywhere it's cold enough), and dying of heat in the deserts, getting toasted by volcanoes et cetera. If god went through the trouble of positioning us so perfectly for life, and making this planet so perfect for life, why do we still get killed so often by the dangerous environments, weather, animals, disease, and geological events of this planet?4- Nothing can only come from nothing; so where did this first something come from? How? Who says it had to come from somewhere? What's wrong with admitting that you don't know?5- A great majority of people believe in God. Do you really think they're ALL wrong? Yup.6- What about all those people who claim that they can feel God's presence and can actually converse with him? Are you calling them all liars? Some of them most definitely are. The rest are probably mistaken.
Thanks for the post :] I love hearing other people's opinions.
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:04 pm
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1- Atheists have no morals because they have nowhere to turn to to get their morals
We get our morals from how we were raised and our life experiences, not what someone else just told us to do without tihnking about it
2- Atheists believe life is meaningless because we arose with no cause
Our meaning in life is to LIVE! That is not pointless! We exist to survive and reproduce and find satisfaction
3- The universe is so perfectly designed. The earth is so perfectly positioned for life so that life can actually live on earth without freezing or burning to death. It all just works out too perfectly. Someone must've made it like that
As stated before, our planet is NOT perfectly positioned for life. Lives are constantly being lost due to the climate/geological events etc. And besides, while we couldn't survive if we were too much closer to the sun, we COULD if earth was farther. There is some leeway there.
4- Nothing can only come from nothing; so where did this first something come from? How?
I don't know yet how the universe began, but one day I think humans will figure it out. There is a lot we don't know yet, but remember that people used to believe that lightning and thunder were literally caused by an angry god until science proved otherwise. It is just a matter of time. And also, that argument works both ways. If nothing can come from nothing, what did god come from? If the answer is that he has simply always existed, then it is just as easy to say that the universe has always existed.
5- A great majority of people believe in God. Do you really think they're ALL wrong?
Yes, yes I do.
6- What about all those people who claim that they can feel God's presence and can actually converse with him? Are you calling them all liars?
The word liar implies deliberate deception. While this may be true in some cases, I think most people just don't know any better. But yes I do think that they are wrong.
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:15 pm
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This is prolly a bit confused-sounding, because I'm pretty tired.. but you'll get the general idea...
1- Atheists have no morals because they have nowhere to turn to to get their morals
Morality is an evolutionary adaptation that helps the members of a society survive. It doesn't come from any god. Besides, saying that morals have to come from a god that is to be feared simply degrades morality itself by implying that people only do the right thing because they either fear punishment or desire reward.
2- Atheists believe life is meaningless because we arose with no cause
Atheists often consider life to be much more meaningful because we just happened to show up here, and we don't believe that we have an afterlife to continue in. Without an afterlife, the actual life that we do have is seen as a much more precious thing, and a thing that should not be wasted.
3- The universe is so perfectly designed. The earth is so perfectly positioned for life so that life can actually live on earth without freezing or burning to death. It all just works out too perfectly. Someone must've made it like that
The universe isn't perfectly designed at all. Life on Earth evolves as random mutations occur - some beneficial, some harmful, some completely neutral. If someone had made the world "perfectly" there would be no need for evolution, and especially no room for harmful or useless mutations. A few billion years ago, the Earth was incapable of sustaining life and in a few billion years from now, the sun will swallow the planet and it won't sustain life then either.
4- Nothing can only come from nothing; so where did this first something come from? How?
Why assume that the universe didn't always exist? Why does it make more sense to say that there was a deity that "always existed" and created the universe? If nothing had to make God, then why did something have to make the universe?
5- A great majority of people believe in God. Do you really think they're ALL wrong?
The bandwagon approach is not a reasonable defense of a claim. A great majority of people used to believe that the world was flat, and they WERE ALL WRONG.
6- What about all those people who claim that they can feel God's presence and can actually converse with him? Are you calling them all liars?
Some of them are liars; most likely the ones who are in charge. The others are likely brainwashed and/or delusional, which I say from personal experience as someone who used to believe I could feel God's presence. It's a nice, fuzzy feeling that's easy to create with the right atmosphere - the power of suggestion is immense.
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:42 am
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I'm about to prove why I am an apathetic atheist and why I don't bother debating anything.
1- Atheists have no morals because they have nowhere to turn to to get their morals
Morals and social behavior are taught by the previous generation. 2- Atheists believe life is meaningless because we arose with no cause
Untrue. Life gained purpose when burritos and tacos were invented. 3- The universe is so perfectly designed. The earth is so perfectly positioned for life so that life can actually live on earth without freezing or burning to death. It all just works out too perfectly. Someone must've made it like that
Which is why stars that don't blow up correctly collapse into black holes swallow everything around them. Which is why asteroids have smashed into the planet numerous times. Which is why tektonic plates move and volcanos erupt and tsumani's destroy entire islands and beaches erode and dog s**t smells. Because everything is perfect and unflawed. 4- Nothing can only come from nothing; so where did this first something come from? How?
Matter can always be created, but after it is created, it can only be changed. never completely destroyed. Durr da durr. How? Because I said so. 5- A great majority of people believe in God. Do you really think they're ALL wrong?
Don't really care if they're right or wrong. As long as they leave me alone. 6- What about all those people who claim that they can feel God's presence and can actually converse with him? Are you calling them all liars?
It's probably just indigestion.
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:34 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:24 pm
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:37 pm
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Sors 1- Atheists have no morals because they have nowhere to turn to to get their morals Just because I have no one telling me what to do, doesn't mean I don't understand how my actions affect mine and other's lives. I know if I steal something, some else must pay for it. I know if I kill someone I'm taking away someone people love, and I'm destroying the most amazing thing in the world (life). I'm not stupid. I make my own morals based on what I understand of my environment.
2- Atheists believe life is meaningless because we arose with no cause
Not true. I have loads to live for: beauty, love, friendship, discovery, dreams. I love my life, it's may be "pointless" in the universe, but it's important to me.
3- The universe is so perfectly designed. The earth is so perfectly positioned for life so that life can actually live on earth without freezing or burning to death. It all just works out too perfectly. Someone must've made it like that Not really. If the earth was closer to the sun then more bacteria would have evolved like the thermophilic bacteria that inhabit yellowstone's national park. Same thing if we were further away. PLUS, universe is infinitely huge, the perfect conditions were bound to happen somewhere at some time.
4- Nothing can only come from nothing; so where did this first something come from? How? Big bang, string theory, stuff like that. They're currently doing experiments at CERN to discover the answers to those questions. And no the big bang doesn't mean something came from nothing, read a book.
5- A great majority of people believe in God. Do you really think they're ALL wrong? Sure. People are stupid. I'm stupid too, I could be wrong. But this is what I think.
6- What about all those people who claim that they can feel God's presence and can actually converse with him? Are you calling them all liars? Yes. I think they have schizophrenia or some other disorder.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:23 pm
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:04 pm
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Here is my answer....as if talking to someone who is a theist. 1- Atheists have no morals because they have nowhere to turn to to get their morals
Atheists do have morals. They have a sense of right and wrong based on what is and isn't beneficial society. When they decide to condone something it is because there is something actually wrong with it, not because some book over a thousand years old, and a thousands years out of date says so.
How do you know something is wrong? Does it hurt you? Does it hurt others? Doesn't it hurt society? What more do we need to know that that? Because it doesn't hurt you, others, and society why call it wrong?
2- Atheists believe life is meaningless because we arose with no cause
Atheists do not believe life is meaningless. It is quite the opposite. Atheists tend to believe that we have but one life to live and it is of the utmost importance that we that life to it's fullest. Life is meant to be lived....and if you don't live in the one life we know to have, than you will regret it when you are lying on your death bed.
3- The universe is so perfectly designed. The earth is so perfectly positioned for life so that life can actually live on earth without freezing or burning to death. It all just works out too perfectly. Someone must've made it like that
There is no such thing as perfection. The only way for something to be perfect is for it to be perfect for everyone. It is not possible to find something to please everyone because everyone will find at least one flaw in anything, therefore the idea of perfection is a logical fallacy rendering the rest of this moot. There is no such thing as perfection, ergo there is no such thing as a perfect world.
4- Nothing can only come from nothing; so where did this first something come from? How?
??? That's not an argument? That's complete idiocy.
The argument people often make is that you cannot having something from nothing. When you stop to think about it, logically it's true. That is why perhaps we are wrong to require for there to be a first beginning, when logically it makes no sense. So perhaps there does not exist a beginning. Maybe the universe has always been there, and always will, and life is the constant cycle of matter forming, reforming, and time spawning life, and then taking it away.
5- A great majority of people believe in God. Do you really think they're ALL wrong?
If a great majority of people believed it was a good idea to jump off a cliff, would you consider them wrong as they fall to their deaths? A majority of people at one time believed the world to be flat....but that majority of people didn't make it true. So in essence they all could be wrong because majority belief means nothing.
6- What about all those people who claim that they can feel God's presence and can actually converse with him? Are you calling them all liars?
My first response is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMqMf1K7y6I
But all humor aside....people will themselves into believing anything. People will lie to themselves and them believe their own lies. Does it not bother anyone that many "Born again Christians" were heavy druggies, who were under the influence of mind altering drugs when they were touched by the spirit of "God"?
In any case we have a special term for people who hear voices in their head. They are called Schizophrenics. In any case if people want to believe in this kind of stuff for happy fuzzy feelings more power to them. Just don't get upset when other people like myself choose to disassociate with religion.
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:02 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:00 am
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:30 pm
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:33 pm
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1- Atheists have no morals because they have nowhere to turn to to get their morals No, we get our morals from our parents, common sense, from a whole shitload of places. Being Atheist just takes away one possible source, as far as I know. Not all religious people have good morals.
2- Atheists believe life is meaningless because we arose with no cause I could care less, truth be told. I'm living, and I'm having fun doing it right now dammit.
3- The universe is so perfectly designed. The earth is so perfectly positioned for life so that life can actually live on earth without freezing or burning to death. It all just works out too perfectly. Someone must've made it like that Out of all the ridiculous amount of galaxies, suns, and planets, at least one is bound to be somewhere in the range of life. As some other people said, if it was perfect, nothing would be dying due to climate.
4- Nothing can only come from nothing; so where did this first something come from? How? I dunno.
5- A great majority of people believe in God. Do you really think they're ALL wrong? If I thought they were right, I'd be some form of theist. Which I'm not.
6- What about all those people who claim that they can feel God's presence and can actually converse with him? Are you calling them all liars? In their mind, maybe they really heard god/whatever telling them something. Why? I dunno. Maybe some people believe so hard they hear it?
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