Gaia's republicans?

[iRepublic]

Can you guys tell me what is the purpose of this forum, because as you can see im still new to Gaia. And I didnt know Guilds and Clans difference. Plus, I really wanna know this forum purpose, thank you biggrin  

[DanskiWolf]

Welcome!

Basically this forum is to discuss the Republican party and politics in general from a conservative perspective. You don't necessarily have to be a member of the Republican party or anything to be in this guild (I'm not even American lol )

That's about it really. razz  

[Garrett31212]

Not even necessarily a conservative prespective. I'm a Fascist, and I talk about the issues from a Fascist perspective.  

[iRepublic]

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Not even necessarily a conservative prespective. I'm a Fascist, and I talk about the issues from a Fascist perspective.

Sorry for asking but isnt Fascist is Musolini? xD
COOL!!!  

[Rainbowfied Mouse]

iRepublic

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Not even necessarily a conservative prespective. I'm a Fascist, and I talk about the issues from a Fascist perspective.

Sorry for asking but isnt Fascist is Musolini? xD
COOL!!!

Fascist is the belief that the government should be more of a police force in the ideas... I'm not sure exactly how to describe it... but a police state would be how I can best describe it... of course with some variances (correct me if I'm wrong)

I am liberal... a liberal democratic utilitarian.
I believe in freedoms until it conflicts with other people's freedoms. I believe the government should provide anything that is necessary for it's people; Health, Education, Welfare, etc.

Republican is just because that was what Mouse was, and there's too many people in the ED that are too outspoken and have unfair judgments and hypocritical statements, so he made this as a more educated discussion area... centralized for republicans of course... as they are the people being prejudiced against here.  

[Garrett31212]

Rainbowfied Mouse

iRepublic

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Not even necessarily a conservative prespective. I'm a Fascist, and I talk about the issues from a Fascist perspective.

Sorry for asking but isnt Fascist is Musolini? xD
COOL!!!

Fascist is the belief that the government should be more of a police force in the ideas... I'm not sure exactly how to describe it... but a police state would be how I can best describe it... of course with some variances (correct me if I'm wrong)

I am liberal... a liberal democratic utilitarian.
I believe in freedoms until it conflicts with other people's freedoms. I believe the government should provide anything that is necessary for it's people; Health, Education, Welfare, etc.

Republican is just because that was what Mouse was, and there's too many people in the ED that are too outspoken and have unfair judgments and hypocritical statements, so he made this as a more educated discussion area... centralized for republicans of course... as they are the people being prejudiced against here.

No, Fascism is the combination of Nationalism, Totaltarianism, and Collectivism. Not just a mere police state. There is philosophy. Yes, a Fascist government is a dictatorship, but acts in the best interests of the nation, in ways that democracy cannot.  

[Lord Bitememan]

The problem, Garrett, is that in theory Fascist governments act in the best interest of the nation. In practice if you place all power and control of a nation in the hands of a few people those people serve one interest first and foremost, themselves, and they do so at the detriment of the people as a whole. It's happened this way every time and in every way that its been tried, from monarchies, to communists, to just plain old dictators, to the very shortlived fascist experiment. Grift and corruption rule the day.  

[Garrett31212]

Lord Bitememan

The problem, Garrett, is that in theory Fascist governments act in the best interest of the nation. In practice if you place all power and control of a nation in the hands of a few people those people serve one interest first and foremost, themselves, and they do so at the detriment of the people as a whole. It's happened this way every time and in every way that its been tried, from monarchies, to communists, to just plain old dictators, to the very shortlived fascist experiment. Grift and corruption rule the day.

lol Examples? Also outline how that differs from democracy, aside from Totaltarianism?  

[Rainbowfied Mouse]

Garrett31212

Lord Bitememan

The problem, Garrett, is that in theory Fascist governments act in the best interest of the nation. In practice if you place all power and control of a nation in the hands of a few people those people serve one interest first and foremost, themselves, and they do so at the detriment of the people as a whole. It's happened this way every time and in every way that its been tried, from monarchies, to communists, to just plain old dictators, to the very shortlived fascist experiment. Grift and corruption rule the day.

lol Examples? Also outline how that differs from democracy, aside from Totaltarianism?

King Czar - Monarch of Russia prior to Socialist Revolution. He nearly killed off all the males in the country fighting one war, and caused high poverty among the world (as women could not work at the time.) Then the Russian Revolution came into place and overthrew him killing his family.

The ideal is a good one, but many ideals are good, like socialism, but unfortunately ideals never work that well, as many people are corrupt, or become that way when they get power.  

[Lord Bitememan]

"lol Examples?"

Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong Il, the Argentine Junta, Fulgencio Batista, François Duvalier, Jean-Claude Duvalier, Yasser Arafat, Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, Ruhollah Khomeini, oh, and let's not forget Benito Mussolini.

"Also outline how that differs from democracy, aside from Totaltarianism"

Fascism assumes an enlightened and perfect state of man under which the rule of virtuous men leads the the pinnacle of humanity. This is no different than the founding notions of Communism or Fundamentalism, they just differ in their ideas of the pinnacle of man and the definition of virtue. Democracy is cynical. It assumes people are greedy, paranoid, megalomanical individuals who will abuse and corrupt all they can. Fascism clears the obstacles from the way of the Duce and his government because it presumes he will lead with the end goal of fascism at heart. Democracy clings to roadblocks, barriers, and muckrakers because it assumes only that those in power will get away with all they can, and the inconvenience of getting little done is preferable to the horrors of the unscrupulous made unstoppable. So yes, even in Democracies, the corrupt will attain office. . . for a while. But just like we are learning with Rod Blagojevich, those roadblocks and muckrakers inevitably get in the way and correct the problem. In this case, Blagojevich will be corrected out of office and into a federal prison. A fascist leader can dip into the till for all to see, and the elimination of the roadblocks and barriers on his power will render him immune from consequences to his actions. That's the difference.  

[Rainbowfied Mouse]

Lord Bitememan

"lol Examples?"

Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong Il, the Argentine Junta, Fulgencio Batista, François Duvalier, Jean-Claude Duvalier, Yasser Arafat, Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, Ruhollah Khomeini, oh, and let's not forget Benito Mussolini.

"Also outline how that differs from democracy, aside from Totaltarianism"

Fascism assumes an enlightened and perfect state of man under which the rule of virtuous men leads the the pinnacle of humanity. This is no different than the founding notions of Communism or Fundamentalism, they just differ in their ideas of the pinnacle of man and the definition of virtue. Democracy is cynical. It assumes people are greedy, paranoid, megalomanical individuals who will abuse and corrupt all they can. Fascism clears the obstacles from the way of the Duce and his government because it presumes he will lead with the end goal of fascism at heart. Democracy clings to roadblocks, barriers, and muckrakers because it assumes only that those in power will get away with all they can, and the inconvenience of getting little done is preferable to the horrors of the unscrupulous made unstoppable. So yes, even in Democracies, the corrupt will attain office. . . for a while. But just like we are learning with Rod Blagojevich, those roadblocks and muckrakers inevitably get in the way and correct the problem. In this case, Blagojevich will be corrected out of office and into a federal prison. A fascist leader can dip into the till for all to see, and the elimination of the roadblocks and barriers on his power will render him immune from consequences to his actions. That's the difference.

Doesn't Adolf Hitler count?  

[Lord Bitememan]

I'm not going to Godwin this discussion.  

[Rainbowfied Mouse]

Lord Bitememan

I'm not going to Godwin this discussion.

Godwin? Sorry I am unaware of the meanings of this term xP  

[Lord Bitememan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Knowledge is power.  

[Rainbowfied Mouse]

That's pretty true actually (Unless of course you're moderating a site based in Germany as I do)

I was being purely honest though, I thought that he had a fascist view as well... if not, most of it was there.