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Le Pere Duchesne

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:36 pm


Kautsky's Foundations of Christianity is one of my favourite books. Written in 1908, it still stands up today as a classic of historiography and history, both of the classical world in general, and of the rise of Christianity in particular.

Author's Forward
CHRISTIANITY and Bible criticism are themes I have long been concerned with. Twenty-five years ago I published an essay on the Genesis of Biblical Primitive History in Kosmos, and two years later one on the Genesis of Christianity in Neue Zeit. It is thus an old love that I come back to. The occasion was given when a second edition of my Forerunners of Socialism seemed needed.

The criticism made of that book, so far as I have seen it, found fault mainly with the introduction, in which I gave a brief account of the communism of primitive Christianity. It was held that this notion did not stand up in the face of the most recent results of research.

Soon after these criticisms it was announced further, especially by comrade Göhre, that another conception in my book had been rendered obsolete. This was the notion, first upheld by Bruno Bauer and then accepted in essentials by Mehring and by me in 1885, namely that there is nothing certain we can say about the person of Jesus and that Christianity can be explained without introducing this person.

For these reasons I was unwilling to prepare a new edition of my book, which appeared thirteen years ago, without testing the ideas on Christianity in the light of the most recent literature.

In the process I arrived at the comforting conclusion that I had nothing to alter. However, the latest researches opened up to me so many new points of view and suggestions that checking my introduction to the Forerunners gave rise to a whole new book.


The book is pretty thoroughly rested on the grounding provided in one sentence of that extract (the full forward is much longer):
there is nothing certain we can say about the person of Jesus and that Christianity can be explained without introducing this person.

This is important for all atheists to read, and to understand. Not only was Jesus possibly not real, the current form of Christianity is something which stems from an internal factional struggle between the Jewish Christians and the gentile Christians in the seventh decade CE, culminating in the liquidation of the original teachings, as little as we can remake them today.

I suggest everyone read it. If anyone has, or if anyone is willing to read it and compare it to current research on the subject, do post something!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:25 pm


I will most definitely look into it, as well as trying to add some proof behind my philosophy I've posted here it seems like a very interesting read.

Takki33


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:42 am


Louis-Auguste Robespierre
Kautsky's Foundations of Christianity is one of my favourite books. Written in 1908, it still stands up today as a classic of historiography and history, both of the classical world in general, and of the rise of Christianity in particular.

Author's Forward
CHRISTIANITY and Bible criticism are themes I have long been concerned with. Twenty-five years ago I published an essay on the Genesis of Biblical Primitive History in Kosmos, and two years later one on the Genesis of Christianity in Neue Zeit. It is thus an old love that I come back to. The occasion was given when a second edition of my Forerunners of Socialism seemed needed.

The criticism made of that book, so far as I have seen it, found fault mainly with the introduction, in which I gave a brief account of the communism of primitive Christianity. It was held that this notion did not stand up in the face of the most recent results of research.

Soon after these criticisms it was announced further, especially by comrade Göhre, that another conception in my book had been rendered obsolete. This was the notion, first upheld by Bruno Bauer and then accepted in essentials by Mehring and by me in 1885, namely that there is nothing certain we can say about the person of Jesus and that Christianity can be explained without introducing this person.

For these reasons I was unwilling to prepare a new edition of my book, which appeared thirteen years ago, without testing the ideas on Christianity in the light of the most recent literature.

In the process I arrived at the comforting conclusion that I had nothing to alter. However, the latest researches opened up to me so many new points of view and suggestions that checking my introduction to the Forerunners gave rise to a whole new book.


The book is pretty thoroughly rested on the grounding provided in one sentence of that extract (the full forward is much longer):
there is nothing certain we can say about the person of Jesus and that Christianity can be explained without introducing this person.

This is important for all atheists to read, and to understand. Not only was Jesus possibly not real, the current form of Christianity is something which stems from an internal factional struggle between the Jewish Christians and the gentile Christians in the seventh decade CE, culminating in the liquidation of the original teachings, as little as we can remake them today.

I suggest everyone read it. If anyone has, or if anyone is willing to read it and compare it to current research on the subject, do post something!
Christianity without Jesus? Check out Wittgenstein.
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