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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:27 pm
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:32 pm
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:38 pm
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:52 pm
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You can't be told the names of the God and Goddess of Wicca until you become an initiate. No other deities are the same as they. Anything you try to use as an 'equivalent' is not going to be the same. Unless the people who share their views with you are actual initiates, whatever answer you get will not be correct - and frankly no initiate is going to break their vows on account of your desires to know.
Also, deities can't be swapped in and out for each other like hot-swappable devices - consider cultural appropriateness and the ritual in question. Not all cultures had the same holidays or reasons for celebrating the same days. You have to consider whether the deities you're calling (assuming you're working in Wiccan-flavoured Neo-pagan ritual) are appropriate for each other, and would be pleased to be paired as sexual partners. Quite often, the answer is 'No'.
I don't know how Isis would be happy paired with Ra - she is married, and extremely devoted to her husband Osiris. She literally went to the ends of the earth for him.
I don't know buckets about the Gaulish deities. I do know that Epona is more properly Romano-Gallic. She was incorporated into the cult of the Emperor, at one point, and her role in Gallic culture changed a lot from Roman contact. Again, Cernunnos is a very wild god. I don't know how much they have in common.
It's good that you're not trying to mix pantheons. But if you're going to try to come up with pairings of deities within specific cultures, just don't guess, or grab at things that match the concepts in your head. Do some research - read their myths. You may find some deities are already married, as with Isis. You may find that though they have the 'properties' you desire to invoke, that their personality or their stories are not a good fit for your rite - or they're so opposite the other deity you're trying to pair them with that it's just not a good idea. And try to verify your own feelings and correspondances for the deity in question with their lore - modern thoughts on some gods and goddesses are sometimes really really different from their historical ones.
I realize you're probably trying to get as close as possible to Wicca, but honestly, you just can't. Outside of being old enough to properly Seek with a legitimate coven, and actually doing the work, there's no way you can find out who our Gods are and how to serve Them. Do yourself a favour and relax. You have years to figure all of this out, including Seeking. Don't force the issue, and you may find the Gods come to you, rather than you putting them in roles they don't fit.
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:57 pm
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Morgandria You can't be told the names of the God and Goddess of Wicca until you become an initiate. No other deities are the same as they. Anything you try to use as an 'equivalent' is not going to be the same. Unless the people who share their views with you are actual initiates, whatever answer you get will not be correct - and frankly no initiate is going to break their vows on account of your desires to know. Also, deities can't be swapped in and out for each other like hot-swappable devices - consider cultural appropriateness and the ritual in question. Not all cultures had the same holidays or reasons for celebrating the same days. You have to consider whether the deities you're calling (assuming you're working in Wiccan-flavoured Neo-pagan ritual) are appropriate for each other, and would be pleased to be paired as sexual partners. Quite often, the answer is 'No'. I don't know how Isis would be happy paired with Ra - she is married, and extremely devoted to her husband Osiris. She literally went to the ends of the earth for him. I don't know buckets about the Gaulish deities. I do know that Epona is more properly Romano-Gallic. She was incorporated into the cult of the Emperor, at one point, and her role in Gallic culture changed a lot from Roman contact. Again, Cernunnos is a very wild god. I don't know how much they have in common. I realize you're probably trying to get as close as possible to Wicca, but honestly, you just can't. Outside of being old enough to properly Seek with a legitimate coven, and actually doing the work, there's no way you can find out who our Gods are and how to serve Them. Do yourself a favour and relax. You have years to figure all of this out, including Seeking. Don't force the issue, and you may find the Gods come to you, rather than you putting them in roles they don't fit. I'm only looking for Deities I can see if I can work with.
I'll carry on my path, but I'm just seeing if I can find a dual deity.
I'm trying to find a deity couple I can work with as my Goddess and God. I'm exploring, searching.
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:13 pm
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Azareas Aquarinus Morgandria You can't be told the names of the God and Goddess of Wicca until you become an initiate. No other deities are the same as they. Anything you try to use as an 'equivalent' is not going to be the same. Unless the people who share their views with you are actual initiates, whatever answer you get will not be correct - and frankly no initiate is going to break their vows on account of your desires to know. Also, deities can't be swapped in and out for each other like hot-swappable devices - consider cultural appropriateness and the ritual in question. Not all cultures had the same holidays or reasons for celebrating the same days. You have to consider whether the deities you're calling (assuming you're working in Wiccan-flavoured Neo-pagan ritual) are appropriate for each other, and would be pleased to be paired as sexual partners. Quite often, the answer is 'No'. I don't know how Isis would be happy paired with Ra - she is married, and extremely devoted to her husband Osiris. She literally went to the ends of the earth for him. I don't know buckets about the Gaulish deities. I do know that Epona is more properly Romano-Gallic. She was incorporated into the cult of the Emperor, at one point, and her role in Gallic culture changed a lot from Roman contact. Again, Cernunnos is a very wild god. I don't know how much they have in common. I realize you're probably trying to get as close as possible to Wicca, but honestly, you just can't. Outside of being old enough to properly Seek with a legitimate coven, and actually doing the work, there's no way you can find out who our Gods are and how to serve Them. Do yourself a favour and relax. You have years to figure all of this out, including Seeking. Don't force the issue, and you may find the Gods come to you, rather than you putting them in roles they don't fit. I'm only looking for Deities I can see if I can work with. I'll carry on my path, but I'm just seeing if I can find a dual deity. I'm trying to find a deity couple I can work with as my Goddess and God. I'm exploring, searching.
Alright, I'm confused. If you are looking for any deities then why did you specifically ask about the Wiccan god and goddess? Also, why do you feel you need to find a god and a goddess?
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:14 pm
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Azareas Aquarinus [ I'm only looking for Deities I can see if I can work with. I'll carry on my path, but I'm just seeing if I can find a dual deity. I'm trying to find a deity couple I can work with as my Goddess and God. I'm exploring, searching.
You've made some massive assumptions in doing this, then.
1) Don't assume you're meant to have a ditheistic faith. You may find just one deity calls you. Or a whole pantheon. Or none at all, since we are not all meant to have personal patron deities.
2) Don't assume your path is going to be fertility-based. Don't assume it's going to be heterocentric. You simply can't - you don't know what lies ahead of you. Putting limits on your opportunties and experiences because of your own expectations will kill your spiritual or religious progress. 'Nothing is forbidden - everything is permitted."
Stop looking. What you're doing is a form of tunnel vision - you're blinding yourself. We find things in life - unexpected, glorious, transformative experiences, when we stop building walls out of our wants and needs and desires and expectations, and just let things come to us. Look at everything. Try things before ruling them out. If something catches your eye, explore it. Be thoughtful. Be -mindful-. Have patience. It's ok to make mistakes, but that doesn't mean you can't work to try to avoid mistakes, either.
And not to be ageist, but you're 14. You have so much time ahead of you, that you can afford not to rush this. I'm more than twice your age, and I'm still learning new and wonderful things about the world around me, my faith, my spirituality, and my practice. You never stop learning - unless you stop experiencing. Right now everything is a blank slate for you - and that's scary, and wonderful at the same time. Let things come to you - don't be in a hurry to mark up your slate.
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:38 pm
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:17 pm
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:58 pm
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:34 pm
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