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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:13 am
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:13 am
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:56 am
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X-Yami-no-Ko-X I'm also wondering if Kenny Klein is really Wiccan based on his interview, since I have no clue who he is. I've never heard of him before. Yes I'm typing this as I read it. Maybe there's a little hope for this group after all when they asked Kenny if it was open to non-witches.
Kenny Klein is one of the founders of the Blue Star tradition. It's not BTW, persay, but it is fairly damn close. As a form of witchcraft they're pretty damn cool - I have circled with some Blue Star folks before and enjoyed their company.
Mr. Klein is closer to being Wiccan than most ENP's out there who claim the title.
As for the rest of it; I think this is pretty much like trying to piss up a rope.
One, witch doesn't equal pagan, and their choice to retain the title for their group encourages people to believe it does. Before they've said another thing they are still propagating misinformation, as the original Principles of Belief did.
Two, I do not think that Paganism has enough common ground to offer rules or guidelines. It would be better if they'd acknowledge or declare their are speaking on behalf of a particular variety of eclectic neo-pagan witchcraft, not all Pagan faiths or forms of witchcraft. Again, the misrepresentation that all Pagans are part of a single basic unified religion does not sit well with me.
Three: Opening this thing up to whomever applies to be a member is risky. If this is gonna be some sort of everyone's represented, 'democratic' thing, you can't discriminate. You can end up with people like Wade MacMorrigan sitting on the damn thing, trying to further their personal agendas - simply because they're pagan, and they will demand their pagan paths and perspectives are as valid as anyone else's, and the American way is to let all voices be heard.
Four: Oberon ******** Zell. UGH.
I don't foresee this coming to much of a consensus, except to pretty much piss off groups that aren't new-age-soft-poly-ENP witches. Being an American body, it's going to very strongly bear that American flavour and style to the paganism it represents. Sadly, this means it will still continue to misrepresent Wicca as something it is not, and it is unfortunately going to bear the marks of the North American entitlement complex in its' work.
I feel as if participating in this would only make it look more legitimate than it has any right to pretend to be. The first council was a massive act of hubris that I feel has no need to be revisited - trying to correct their efforts 30 years down the road is perhaps noble, but also sort of like tilting at windmills.
No random council of people anywhere has the right to define and make statements of belief or practice on behalf of all the rest of the people currently identifying under a very large umbrella term - especially if you're going to conflate two things that are really, properly, totally separate concepts. They either need to be more honest with how they identify their council and who exactly they are actually speaking for - or they need to just leave it be.
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:01 pm
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:43 am
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:49 am
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:25 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:58 pm
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:11 pm
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:44 pm
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:05 pm
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:51 pm
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X-Yami-no-Ko-X Katefox Tarnagona Well, apparently their Facebook page no longer exists. Take that as you will. Its still up. I'm on it right now. Is it possible you're not logged in? I had to log in to see it. Weird, because every link I follow (the one in this thread, and the one at The Wild Hunt) just drops me at the Facebook main page, and I'm logged in, so that's not it.
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