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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:44 am
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Well, i was just thinking ...as in "i ain't got nothing to do," and thought the following:
I am ok with people being gay. I don't really care if they get married either, since i don't believe in monogamy, BUT why are they allowed to have kids?
It's a well known fact that v****a plus v****a don't make babies, or that p***s and a**s don't make a kid either... so if they decide to go with their "natural" instincts, why are they going against them when they try to/or adopt a kid?
Then again, it's that whole nature vs nurture thing, but if you grow up among gay people then maybe the kid is gonna grow up to be gay, and once again when he/she grow up and want a family, he/she will have to rely on other people's kids/sperms/eggs so that they can have one of their own. Thus reproducing "not-naturally". Hell, THEY (gay parents) are not reproducing either, it's only ONE of them who gets to puts his/her genes on the kid.
I guess it's one way to look at it, tho i realize it sounds as if i was trying to make homosexuality sound as a disease, but... that's not my point. I guess i just want to know about your ideas about my bold question. domokun
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:41 am
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:10 am
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:19 am
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You obviously have no desire for children yourself, because you don't seem to understand that the instincts of wanting to have a child, nurture it and care for it and become a family are unrelated to your sexual preference. Hell, I know straight couples who don't want to have kids.
Quote: A child raised in a homosexual household has no greater chance of being gay than any other child. It has nothing to do with nurture. It has everything to do with nature. Having gay parents will not increase the odds of that child being gay.
Exactly. What about single parent families? They seem to manage to produce non-gay offspring without the "mother" or "father" figure being there. Being brought up in a household with a gay couple as parents may get a child bullied by intolerent people, I admit, but it's changing. Plus, they'll learn tolerence and have a damn sight better start in life than going off to a care home.
So, are you saying it's wrong for two loving, caring people to take a child out of a foster care home and give them a good start in life? Or would it be better, perhaps, if the child lived in a home for its childhood and ended up with no permenant family. Think about it.
P.s. 'natural'? What, like giving straight couples IVF and other fertility treatment, yet not allowing the stem cell treatment required for two lesbians to have genetically combined offspring? (yes, it can be done). You say having kids is something 'natural', but we let infertile straight couples adopt, and having kids is not 'natural' for them. Just because you can't concieve a child in the natural way does not mean you shouldn't be allowed to use the technology in modern science to have a child.
P.p.s so what if the child turns out gay? A higher gay population will eventually mean less population growth, = more food for the future.
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:22 am
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:24 am
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:13 am
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:48 am
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Muaethia You obviously have no desire for children yourself, because you don't seem to understand that the instincts of wanting to have a child, nurture it and care for it and become a family are unrelated to your sexual preference. Hell, I know straight couples who don't want to have kids.Quote: A child raised in a homosexual household has no greater chance of being gay than any other child. It has nothing to do with nurture. It has everything to do with nature. Having gay parents will not increase the odds of that child being gay. Exactly. What about single parent families? They seem to manage to produce non-gay offspring without the "mother" or "father" figure being there. Being brought up in a household with a gay couple as parents may get a child bullied by intolerent people, I admit, but it's changing. Plus, they'll learn tolerence and have a damn sight better start in life than going off to a care home.
So, are you saying it's wrong for two loving, caring people to take a child out of a foster care home and give them a good start in life? Or would it be better, perhaps, if the child lived in a home for its childhood and ended up with no permenant family. Think about it.
P.s. 'natural'? What, like giving straight couples IVF and other fertility treatment, yet not allowing the stem cell treatment required for two lesbians to have genetically combined offspring? (yes, it can be done). You say having kids is something 'natural', but we let infertile straight couples adopt, and having kids is not 'natural' for them. Just because you can't concieve a child in the natural way does not mean you shouldn't be allowed to use the technology in modern science to have a child.
P.p.s so what if the child turns out gay? A higher gay population will eventually mean less population growth, = more food for the future.
I spent a lot of ******** time writing my response to this... and SHITTY ******** SON OF A b***h WHORE "BACKSPACE" key got in the way of my posting it... so now all my clever remarks are gone... ********... oh well... i will edit this later on with my response... but just... wait a few more hours till my ******** pissed off mood dies.
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:08 am
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anon_nymouz Muaethia You obviously have no desire for children yourself, because you don't seem to understand that the instincts of wanting to have a child, nurture it and care for it and become a family are unrelated to your sexual preference. Hell, I know straight couples who don't want to have kids.Quote: A child raised in a homosexual household has no greater chance of being gay than any other child. It has nothing to do with nurture. It has everything to do with nature. Having gay parents will not increase the odds of that child being gay. Exactly. What about single parent families? They seem to manage to produce non-gay offspring without the "mother" or "father" figure being there. Being brought up in a household with a gay couple as parents may get a child bullied by intolerent people, I admit, but it's changing. Plus, they'll learn tolerence and have a damn sight better start in life than going off to a care home.
So, are you saying it's wrong for two loving, caring people to take a child out of a foster care home and give them a good start in life? Or would it be better, perhaps, if the child lived in a home for its childhood and ended up with no permenant family. Think about it.
P.s. 'natural'? What, like giving straight couples IVF and other fertility treatment, yet not allowing the stem cell treatment required for two lesbians to have genetically combined offspring? (yes, it can be done). You say having kids is something 'natural', but we let infertile straight couples adopt, and having kids is not 'natural' for them. Just because you can't concieve a child in the natural way does not mean you shouldn't be allowed to use the technology in modern science to have a child.
P.p.s so what if the child turns out gay? A higher gay population will eventually mean less population growth, = more food for the future. I spent a lot of ******** time writing my response to this... and SHITTY ******** SON OF A b***h WHORE "BACKSPACE" key got in the way of my posting it... so now all my clever remarks are gone... ********... oh well... i will edit this later on with my response... but just... wait a few more hours till my ******** pissed off mood dies.
3nodding that happened to me before, but in that case I was the one defending gays when someone had posted something intolerent and without sensible reasoning.
What the ******** is it to you if gays have kids, if you're not gay just concentrate on raising your own kids 'straight' if that's what you want them to be.
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:01 pm
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:02 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:31 am
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Quote: You obviously have no desire for children yourself,
Is it THAT obvious?
Quote: because you don't seem to understand that the instincts of wanting to have a child, nurture it and care for it and become a family are unrelated to your sexual preference.
i agree with both statements. the "i don't understand" one and the "unrelated to sexual preference" one too.
Quote: What about single parent families? They seem to manage to produce non-gay offspring without the "mother" or "father" figure being there.
It's not a matter of "making" a kid gay, because of the absence of a parent figure. It's more like he's got TWO moms, or TWO dads. to which i refer to antiangel's comment (that was one of the arguments that i wrote and got erased... ********) but with a twist, the kid could grow up or develop the idea that v****a + v****a= natural(not exactly "normal") and thus create a mindset that would probably make the kid gay, BUT, that's NOT the main issue.
Quote: Being brought up in a household with a gay couple as parents may get a child bullied by intolerent people, I admit, but it's changing. Plus, they'll learn tolerence and have a damn sight better start in life than going off to a care home.
Bullying can happen in both instances, so it doesn't really matter if people are intolerant of the kids parents or absence of them. And depending on what choice anyone makes it's just a matter of OPINION.
Quote: So, are you saying it's wrong for two loving, caring people to take a child out of a foster care home and give them a good start in life? Or would it be better, perhaps, if the child lived in a home for its childhood and ended up with no permenant family. Think about it.
I have thought about it. Once again, this is a matter of opinion. Kids could have a great life even if they came out of a foster home, or they could end up having a miserable one with BOTH options.
My issue at hand is, if they are gay because of "gay genes" or whatever, and pressume their sexual orientation as natural, then their own bodies and their nature restricts them from having kids... EVER. We all know that no matter how many times one person cums on his partners a**s a kid won't be the result of that. So what i'm saying is, if they are NATURALly gay, then NATURALLY they can't have kids. So why allow the unnatural environment (gay "family") on something that is natural (a gay couple)?
Quote: P.s. 'natural'? What, like giving straight couples IVF and other fertility treatment, yet not allowing the stem cell treatment required for two lesbians to have genetically combined offspring? (yes, it can be done). You say having kids is something 'natural', but we let infertile straight couples adopt, and having kids is not 'natural' for them.
Don't even get me started on this. I have the same opinion that if they are not able to reproduce then their genes shouldn't be passed on. Of course, you can use technology to get what you want, but then that kid is gonna end up being infertile just as the parents and then they perpetuate the unnatural idea of giving birth to something, always using technology. it's MY opinion that technology is not bad, but when we develop a addiction to it then we might as well "jump upon the sharp swords" as manson (marilyn) says.
Quote: Just because you can't concieve a child in the natural way does not mean you shouldn't be allowed to use the technology in modern science to have a child.
s**t, i knew i had seen this comment before... err... yeah, just read my response above.
Quote: P.p.s so what if the child turns out gay? A higher gay population will eventually mean less population growth, = more food for the future.
Once again, this is not my main "issue" so i dont' really care if the kid turns out gay in the end. it was just a complement to my main argument.
Quote: What the ******** is it to you if gays have kids, if you're not gay just concentrate on raising your own kids 'straight' if that's what you want them to be.
It's funny how the same argument is used by christians when i try to make fun of them and their beliefs.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:24 am
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:01 pm
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Ignorance is Your Disease
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