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 Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:05 pm
(I didn't want this to turn into an essay gonk )
…I have this belief that man has lost its meaning over these last couple decades.
I believe that a man should be someone that is dependable, decisive and strong just to name a few traits out of many. I think that it's pretty obvious that a man also would come from the male sex unlike the popular feed that the media is now genderizing towards women, though I don't have anything against that gender. If anything at all, I favor them a whole bunch. In addition to that, I'd like to say I wouldn't be one to subjugate that sex either. But I feel gender roles between the sexes are becoming more blurry though that's not my point right now.
The way I see things, a man has to have many of the following qualities (preferably all these traits, but we're not perfect):
(I've cut my explanations short due to the length. I don't wanna bore you more than I already am.)
• A man should be strong;
this means he should be active, physically strong and able, and fun to look at (attractive from a girl's pov, and something to strive for from a boy's pov). This doesn't mean that he's going to disregard his mental strength. Nowadays guys are seen to be stupid, gullible, and indecisive. What a standard. On the contrary, a man should be calm, gathered, and reasonable.
• A man must be able to be gentle;
Does this sound a bit contradictory? Allow me to clear it up. The online dictionary (www.dictionary.com) defines gentle as kind, non-violent, polite, refined. Yes, you can be strong and gentle at the same time. This would mean that a man would respect a woman and treat her with kindness. A man would interact with another man not through violence or disregard to the person's being, but with consideration and brotherly love.
I'm afraid that the length of this thing might be intimidating, so I'm going to list a couple others, and let you guys start out
~~ A man must be a good friend and lover.
~~ A man must have integrity.
Of course I have many, many other traits, but please discuss this.
I want to see what your ideas are.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:18 pm
Sorry if any of this doesn't really make much sense, it's late and I'm tired, but I'll try ._.
I don't believe in gender roles, people should be who they want to be without any predetermined external influence such as gender restricting them. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, not all women look for the same things in men and vice versa.
Physical labour, as a job, is becoming reduntant and a thing of a past, these kind of jobs are being replaced by machines at an increasingly rapid rate, thus nullifying any actual practical reason to be physically strong, other than to appeal to possible partners, which shouldn't really come into the equation at all or at least minimally.
Everyone should be gentle, if everyone was the world would be a better place.
Men don't have to follow a listed set of rules, that's becoming a thing of the past, and I'm glad that's happening. The diminishment of the steriotypical gender roles will help defeat negative things such as sexism.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:25 pm
Thanks for trying it.
But being pysically strong goes beyond the business and sex appeal. There's something about being strong, and now I add, healthy that makes someone feel good. Exercise helps relieve a lot of stress and helps your mind organize things. Gives it a way to cope with what happened in the day.
But then don't you think that sexism would die once people know what roles they have, and assume that, and live by that? Instead of having one universal role that both sexes follow, making it even more confusing to men what it means to be a man, and also the same for women, confusing them in what makes them a woman.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:47 pm
I've noticed, im more masculine in relationships. I can blame my dad fo most of it. Hes taught me to be very open minded, and know what i want and how to get it. So when it comes to relationships i already ahve a mind set of expectations, and i know that no one can meet them, seeing as everyone ive been with has been a .. yeah you can fill that in.
I think men now day are more sensative, and its better because the ones that are not are a bunch of jerks who seem to care about how THEY look. id like to sit them down and beat them until blood pours. Any ways...
Itd be AWSOME if men were a good mix of both. Guys are either too sensative for girls, or too conceded for girls. thats how i see it.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:57 pm
I appreciate your input, and I believe that that's one thing that many guys don't have… balance. And it's because of this that many of them are like you said, jerks or pretty emasculated.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:05 pm
I agree with the balance.
Most men are too sensitive, too a*****e-ish, or hardly show any emotion.
As for roles, I don't think men or women should have a specific role. I don't think I'd have a problem if I was bringing home the bacon and my husband stayed at home with my kids.
I just think that men should be comfortable with showing their emotions, because I know too many guys that hardly express anything, and it's getting to the point where it's annoying and frustrating.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:09 pm
Yea, I believe that real men really do cry (in addition to showing other emotions);
As opposed to the superficial "Real men wear pink."
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:11 pm
Quote: But being pysically strong goes beyond the business and sex appeal. There's something about being strong, and now I add, healthy that makes someone feel good. Exercise helps relieve a lot of stress and helps your mind organize things. Gives it a way to cope with what happened in the day. There's a difference between overly masculine strength and excessive muscular development and being fit. Sure exercise is great and releases endorphins and whatever, but like everything you can't over do it. Weightlifting women aren't exactly considered attractive are they? I'm getting the vibe that you wouldn't defend their feeling good through exercise, simply because it is not steriotypically required of their gender role to do so. Quote: But then don't you think that sexism would die once people know what roles they have, and assume that, and live by that? Instead of having one universal role that both sexes follow, making it even more confusing to men what it means to be a man, and also the same for women, confusing them in what makes them a woman. And that is what has happened for most of the time the human race has been in existance, with dominant males and suppressed females, only recently have women been considered much more than things nice to look at. Any predetermined role is wrong, people should do what they want, regardless of popular public opinion. Again, it's late, I came back because I couldn't sleep ._. apologies if that didn't make much sense
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:16 pm
Who would you think of as a good example of a man? Are there any suitable role models?
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:21 pm
Norayr ...and fun to look at (attractive from a girl's pov, and something to strive for from a boy's pov)... That sounds rather shallow. So if you're not handsome, then you're not a man? I think you mean that he should have good hygiene and take good care of himself instead the attractive bit.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:21 pm
Cornetto1 Quote: But being pysically strong goes beyond the business and sex appeal. There's something about being strong, and now I add, healthy that makes someone feel good. Exercise helps relieve a lot of stress and helps your mind organize things. Gives it a way to cope with what happened in the day. There's a difference between overly masculine strength and excessive muscular development and being fit. Sure exercise is great and releases endorphins and whatever, but like everything you can't over do it. Weightlifting women aren't exactly considered attractive are they? I'm getting the vibe that you wouldn't defend their feeling good through exercise, simply because it is not steriotypically required of their gender role to do so. Quote: But then don't you think that sexism would die once people know what roles they have, and assume that, and live by that? Instead of having one universal role that both sexes follow, making it even more confusing to men what it means to be a man, and also the same for women, confusing them in what makes them a woman. And that is what has happened for most of the time the human race has been in existance, with dominant males and suppressed females, only recently have women been considered much more than things nice to look at. Any predetermined role is wrong, people should do what they want, regardless of popular public opinion. Again, it's late, I came back because I couldn't sleep ._. apologies if that didn't make much sense You didn't have to break the quote up. Being fit and healthy doesn't mean overly muscular. It means being in good shape and health. That should be something that everyone should strive for, and it should be something that definitely replaces the bone dry girls that every young girl is striving to be, which is just sick. I never endorse overly muscular people for either sexes. Plus being overly muscular, like those steroid totting body builders has a detrimental effect on the body. It's just gross. The gender roles I'm talking of, not the stereotypical ones you're mentioning that repress women and exalt the males.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:22 pm
kim ocean Who would you think of as a good example of a man? Are there any suitable role models? I don't think there are any people we can look up to. And that's something I've covered in many of my classes these last couple semesters. Us guys don't have a hero we can look up to to aspire to be.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:24 pm
Knit Happens Norayr ...and fun to look at (attractive from a girl's pov, and something to strive for from a boy's pov)... That sounds rather shallow. So if you're not handsome, then you're not a man? I think you mean that he should have good hygiene and take good care of himself instead the attractive bit. You misunderstood what I meant with that. But what you came up with is also something that many guys should be doing. Plus attractive has a wide array of characteristics you can fit in there. You just took the superficial.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:27 pm
Norayr Cornetto1 Quote: But being pysically strong goes beyond the business and sex appeal. There's something about being strong, and now I add, healthy that makes someone feel good. Exercise helps relieve a lot of stress and helps your mind organize things. Gives it a way to cope with what happened in the day. There's a difference between overly masculine strength and excessive muscular development and being fit. Sure exercise is great and releases endorphins and whatever, but like everything you can't over do it. Weightlifting women aren't exactly considered attractive are they? I'm getting the vibe that you wouldn't defend their feeling good through exercise, simply because it is not steriotypically required of their gender role to do so. Quote: But then don't you think that sexism would die once people know what roles they have, and assume that, and live by that? Instead of having one universal role that both sexes follow, making it even more confusing to men what it means to be a man, and also the same for women, confusing them in what makes them a woman. And that is what has happened for most of the time the human race has been in existance, with dominant males and suppressed females, only recently have women been considered much more than things nice to look at. Any predetermined role is wrong, people should do what they want, regardless of popular public opinion. Again, it's late, I came back because I couldn't sleep ._. apologies if that didn't make much sense You didn't have to break the quote up. Being fit and healthy doesn't mean overly muscular. It means being in good shape and health. That should be something that everyone should strive for, and it should be something that definitely replaces the bone dry girls that every young girl is striving to be, which is just sick. I never endorse overly muscular people for either sexes. Plus being overly muscular, like those steroid totting body builders has a detrimental effect on the body. It's just gross. The gender roles I'm talking of, not the stereotypical ones you're mentioning that repress women and exalt the males. Makes things easier to follow. Of course it doesn't, and yes it's something everone should strive for, although healthiness does not always mean hapinness and it's often the lazy who are truly happy, but nontheless, you are the one who is saying that all men should be strong. Strength=high levels of muscular development. You're missing the point, any type of predetermined expectation placed upon someone just because they are a certain gender is wrong.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:29 pm
men must be born with a p***s.
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