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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:02 pm
I've always loved watching people play games, so cut scenes don't make a difference on that for me. XD It just changes from me watching someone play games to me watching a movie, and I enjoy both so... only time cut scenes really bother me is if I'm just in a playing mood and really itching to keep playing, but instead am just having to watch the 'movie.' I don't see what the benefit would be for them making games more interesting to watch though. XD I mean, if people are watching games be played and they're enjoying that, they might not be as tempted to buy the game themselves so they can actually play, since watching is getting the needed entertainment from them.
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 3:49 pm
I dunno, I think I'd be more likely to buy games if they were interesting to watch - and then be disappointed that I was actually more annoyed to play. I mean I've watched people play games that are just straight play, and not interesting play to just watch, they don't get me intrigued in a game I was unfamiliar with. But watching my friends play games that aren't boring me and thus seem fun would make me more likely to want it. I mean I don't think most people who are having fun watching a game be played realize that the fun is coming from watching. So there probably really is a marketing strategy in just that.
However yea, there aren't too many times I want to watch cut scenes when I'm playing, even when it's good. I don't game a lot anymore, so obviously if I'm playing all I want to do is play. Of course this is probably why I don't game a lot anymore, I'll start, get bored with story scenes every level or so, and then never go back. Whatever, it's not going to kill gaming, it's just kind of ruining it for me.
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 10:39 pm
Oh, I see. Okay, that makes sense. Not the way I would respond, but I can see how others would. XD For me it's more like if I get into a game because of the cut scenes or story, then I'll just 'finish' the game by continuing to watch my friend play. If I get into a game based on what I'm seeing them play, then I'll know the gameplay will be fun to me, so I'll consider buying it myself. Though oftentimes the story is more of an incentive for me to keep playing. When you just get little cut scenes here or there, or occasionally learn more about the characters as the game progresses, that's really exciting to me, so I'll be eager to beat the next level so I can learn more. But once again, that needs to be done in small chunks, because it just loses the excitement and interest when the majority of the game becomes that character-revealing cut scene.
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 11:25 pm
Yea...I mean because I'm frugal I personally am not too likely to buy, but I am likely to want to. Especially if I can't watch someone finish. Like when I watch my brother play then I can easily watch him play the whole thing, and then true, I'm done. But usually I don't watch other people play an entire game. We don't often have the time to sit around. Anyhow I also know I'm really fussy about controls, so it's hard for me to judge how I'll actually react to gameplay by watching, so that I'd have to try to decide whether or not I like playing the game.
Yea, again with me and games I like to invent stories while I'm playing. That's what keeps my mind entertained while I go along. So frankly I'd like very minimal character info, and I'd just like to create my own world. The more little scenes I get, the more it jacks with my fantasy. Gaming in a way is my own personal fantasy. If I want someone else's fantasy (even though yes, I'll screw with it some - i.e. the world of fandom) I'll tend to read or watch something. If I play a game though I really just want to get lost in my own world, halted only by like...walls. Not movies telling me, oh actually this character is in love with this character. Love scene! Ruins my illusion completely.
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:56 pm
Thats the way I am with sims. I have to invent a story to stay in the game.
For other games i prefer a story to be built into it.
smile
Sorry i've been away so long the quarter has been taking up all of my free time.
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 11:14 pm
If we didn't work together and thus I get to see you practically everyday of the week anyhow I'd be very upset by this!
WAH I'M NEVER GOING TO SEE YOU NEXT YEAR, MOVE TO ENGLAND WITH ME!!!
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 9:01 am
if you are still there when i finish my degree than I will. plus I will come visit you sometime during the year. you will just have to let me know what will work best for you.
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 4:44 pm
Ok! Hehe, probably whatever works for you though, I mean you're the one who'll have to get away from things for a week. I probably won't be coming home for my spring break, so it if crosses with yours at all that would definitely bet he ideal time. If it doesn't, maybe just you're spring break and worst case scenario I will be really busy and you'll just have to find SOMETHING to do in EUROPE! Somehow, I think you'll manage. ^_~
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 10:54 pm
@JK: Yeah, I think the incentive is more about if you want to buy the video game or not, not if you do. XD Everyone has different amounts of cheapness, but the more people they get to *want* the game, the more people who will buy it anyway. But because I love watching video games as much as I love playing them, and because I only own Nintendo systems, I often watch friends play through Sony games. Generally though it won't be their first play through, and they won't go side questing, so it doesn't take too long. Like just a couple nights ago I watched a friend play through the entirety of God of War III. It only took us half the night. I don't like inventing stories for games because I wouldn't have complete control of the story. Like it chooses the setting for you at the very least, and the means of progression. If I'm creating a story, I just want it to be either written or in my head, where I have completely free reign. Video games for me are just a means of achieving the story, like a movie that you contribute to in order to finish. That's really fun to me, like I'm helping the characters accomplish their goals. =D
@HGirl: I do agree that inventing stories in The Sims is fun. XD Though since that doesn't already have a set narrative, it is much easier to control. No worries. Hope you have more free time soon.
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 4:34 pm
Yea, with few exceptions I don't like watching games. I have to be feeling really lazy to do so. Or else in party mode when you have 20 people, it's not so much watching the 1 - 4 people play a game as narrating and making ridiculous noises. Like there have been times I've watched Grand Theft Auto and been bored out of my friggin mind. And then other times where I've been sitting with about 6 other people and it's been fun.
God of War III...I'd never heard of that until it got mentioned in a Cracked article a day or two ago...twas interesting, hahaha.
Ah, but that's why I don't like most new games. I mean I'm fine going with what I'm given - setting, etc. But most games kind of fail on the plot scale (one of the other points of the Cracked article, they come off like B rank movies, and they do). So I like my own plot and I've never had problems working my own imagination into the games I love. Primarily it's characterization I invent anyhow, so it doesn't matter what the progression/setting is. For me gaming is an active interest in inventing characterization and pushing buttons - yes pushing buttons. Which is why I have to like the controls on a game I'm playing, my enjoyment comes from pattern control.
I mean if I had a problem with established setting, progression, etc I probably wouldn't care all that much about fanfiction either. I like creating within established rules and confines sometimes, I fully acknowledge that sometimes I get my enjoyment purposely avoiding any semblance of originality. But of course the less that's controlled the better. Probably why one of my favorite game series features a protagonist who can't really talk. No end to what I can do there. ^_~
Helping characters with their goals is all fine and dandy. Unless I don't give a crap about their goals. Then I at least need to be able to fantasize myself into different goals, goals I can care about, goals that will make me spend hours trying to escape from the friggin puzzle trap town. razz
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:21 pm
Watching games is like watching movies to me, except with less dialogue so I don't have to worry about missing important parts from partial deafness. XD And watching the flow of the movement in combat is nice and relaxing, and fun to study from an artistic perspective. Oh gosh your first intro to the God of War series was the lesbian sex scene, wasn't it? XD Read that article too, though I had added my earlier post before doing so. I was embarrassed for that scene, not because it was badly done or anything; I mean, it was even kind of hot, but because it just didn't belong in that game... as the article mentions, it is a superb game with great combat, an actual continuing, significant, and good story, and extremely creative in just about everything. At the end of the third game, I was just like... silent for one of the last scenes... you just have your character run through this surreal world with a lantern, and there's blood everywhere, but as the lantern shines on the ground, the blood disappears. It's about the main character coming to terms and forgiving himself for all of the people he's killed, including his own family, and how Pandora gave him the hope to continue on. I mean... to just walk and have that blood disappear as you do so, you can't accomplish that in anything but a game. And that was one of the rare moments where I felt like a game was actually showing true art. Er, but anyway, my point is, great game, but that sex scene was just in poor taste. There were a few other exceptionally violent moments that also didn't really fit (don't get me wrong; it's a violent game, but these instances were just more gruesome in a humorous, tasteless way), but overall the game was amazing. I do agree that most games have fail plots, but the fact that you are still contributing to that plot, changing it by your own hands, even if it's just saving the Lima Bean Kingdom from the evil Mushu Pork King, that's pretty powerful, and that's where I find my enjoyment in games. Not to mention how absolutely wonderful it is when you do find games with great plots... Majora's Mask, with the most creative world ending plot I've ever seen, Fatal Frame series, weaving intricate connections between characters of past and present all into meaningful rituals, Ace Attorney Series, with each individual case a profound complexity of characterization and falsities, Professor Layton, possessing plots written by and just as good as all of Studio Ghibli's films, Fire Emblem, with medieval war stories possessing characterization far more deep than what you could get in any similar movie, as well as surprise after surprise in the plot... *happy sigh* Yes, most games don't have good plots, but people often don't even notice the gems that do because they're too busy looking for the latest graphics or gameplay. But anyway, I'll invent a little bit of characterization and plot when the game is lacking them (like on old NES games and such) for the fun of it, but when it's already there, I'm quite content to simply manipulate all of that through gameplay. I think the difference with fanfiction though is that you're given characters and can pretty much do whatever you want with them, where's games give you characters, settings, as well as a timeline to work with, and that's just a little too restrictive for me to base my enjoyment of a game off of characterizing and such. If the goals are important to my character, they're generally important to me. After all, I'm playing that character, I am them. We have the same goals, in the long run, and that helps me sympathize with the characters more. Like going back to God of War, the main character Kratos kills quite a bit of innocents to achieve his goal, and I really don't feel like I should sympathize with him, yet I do, because you are him throughout the game, you go through the same experiences, and you both work hard to reach that far-off goal. It's very connective. Ah, but random interjection, I totally wanna play Alan Wake after that article! I watched a preview and a demo for it and it looks amazing! Also watched the prequel to it on Youtube (it's a live-action forty-minute movie), and that was pretty good, and surprisingly scary for how quick it was. o.o
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 11:08 pm
Hmm, that's another weird thing about me, I don't have a lot of appreciation for moving art. I don't know why, I just don't, so I guess I can't often just sit and enjoy that...not for more than minutes.
Yes...yes it was... ninja . I hope not, because see now I take that as the theme/plot/etc of the game. And I'm not having sex in real life, but that does not make me want to have virtual sex as a mode of entertainment. Ok so I make my Sims bang like crazy, but they have sparkles obscuring everything, it's not the same! But yea, games are always full of elements that are just ridiculous and it's hard for me to ignore. I'm less art focused and more detail oriented. I sit there thinking about how illogical something is - even in the context of its own world. Us Vulcans just can't have fun (hehe, j/k - mostly b/c I'm not a big Star Trek fan. I like the new movie, but I get how it's not very representative of the series in many ways). rolleyes
Yea, and again I can totally enjoy built in plot. I just don't like to get my plot from cut scenes. They are never grade A quality plot wise - even in the best of games, I think it's pretty much impossible to hit that standard in segmented bits and pieces throughout. And they just pull me out of what I'm doing. I guess the only thing I can appreciate them for is if my carpal tunnel is acting up. If it isn't though I might get annoyed. I think the worst part is games that have A LOT in the beginning. It makes it really hard to get into the game when you have to go through so much movie to actually get into serious play. Like Kingdom Hearts, I started it and haven't really gone back. I think I've watched more movies thus far then played, and people tell me the reason they have a hard time replaying is the beginning. And yea the game is great once you get into it. The problem is I can't get into it. I'll be a little more patient when I'm already into a game and it's cropping up throughout.
I guess because I like most of my fanfiction to be accurate to canon I see it as just as restrictive. I can get into AU stuff, but very rarely, which is why I still think it's weird that I'm writing an AU story. I usually like to keep the same universe, characters and time line, and basically what I"m looking for is more. I look for fanfiction that seems like it could have actually been part of the series. I'm not looking for whatever, I'm looking for more, usually because a series has ended and I'm still addicted. Usually the only twist I like to see is pairings that don't exist canon, but even then I like it believable. No Kaiba singing sonnets or any such nonsense. I like to see fanfiction forced into believable, I appreciate "whatever," but it isn't why I got into that.
Which is probably why I want the opposite with games. They don't have to be established - I mean why would they, THEIR fan base is based of idiots who are going to post rants about pixels. PIXELS! I get a world, I get characters, I don't get much else. I mean my favorite game is the Sims for a reason. But even with other games, I don't want to sit and watch movies spilling out the plot. I mostly want to play and daydream. Imagine what my character is thinking.
I think the other thing for me is that I don't find games connective. I don't connect with just anyone, and I can really hate a main character in a game if they annoy me. This won't stop me from playing a game, I'm just saying I can totally not feel connected to a character. My favorite games I usually do. But like, one of my other favorite series, Legacy of Kain. Ok you get it, he's manipulated and thus vengeful, but that he was always kind of an arrogant d**k. But I love him. And I don't get hours and hours of seeing how he is an asshat, I get enough of a glimpse to know that he is. And then I get to go wild getting into the a*****e mentality, yet being self-righteous, justified - at least to myself. My Kain is probably more complex than the Kain, and he gets to be because you don't get a very complex Kain. I love that. I like playing a game imagining that at this moment this character is thinking this, he's picking this object up because blah blah blah, he's blah because blah because whatever I want. And I can do that, because there isn't really much motive established. He's gotta save his girlfriend, he's gotta kill the people that killed him, he's got to cross the street before the truck runs him over. What comes between is up to me.
So yes, I don't get into a wide variety of games, and the games I usually like are either racing/puzzle games or adventure games where there isn't much interaction amongst protagonists. Everyone just runs to get to the end of the level. And that's great, because then I can fill in the blanks as I jump over sand pits and alligators and plants (and oh man I can totally imagine what these killer plants are thinking). I mean hey, I do this in real life when I'm driving, and I now am realizing this is why. I think elaborate things about the people in the other cars, mainly in relation to what they are thinking about me. And later I realize, well why the heck would they think that? Why should they care? Because I do, because I do that, and that's what makes sense to me damn it!
So yea, I will never call myself a gamer, most games aren't designed for me. I get that, so I'll enjoy the few I've got until the day I die...and try to play a few others from time to time to switch it up. I guess if I'm playing Crash, Kain, Sims, Frogger, Bust a Move, IQ and a couple of racing games over and over and over again until I'm 115 I'm ok with that. razz
Haha, nice, I've never even heard of that game until the article. But are you sure Kits? I mean I hear the pixels aren't up to par soooooooo... xd
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 10:03 pm
It's so sad though that the thing being passed around to most represent that game is that one scene! Like that part was probably the most departed from the rest of the game than any other parts! God of War is so not about sex. Yes, you get boob shots now and then, but overall it's about vengeance and achievements, as well as Greek mythology of course. But considering I grew up and still live off of cartoons, at least for the rare times I do watch TV, I expect things to be ridiculous. That doesn't mess up the plot for me; it's simply just part of that world. XD Oh, Kingdom Hearts pissed me off so much! The cut scenes didn't bother me too much; they were a bit overdone, but nothing like the horribleness of the Xenosaga series. But the combat system was just awful! It was one of the rare games that I couldn't appreciate anything else because I just hated playing it so much! I'm definitely more free-range with fanfiction. Though I generally prefer ones that follow your rules, I have no problems going out into AU, and quite enjoy them actually. Only things I'm really strict about are keeping the characters in character. I mean, to me, that's what writing fanfiction is for: Bringing the characters you love so much into your own scenario. If you change their personalities to fit your whim, they are no longer the characters you were using to begin with. A few liberties are one thing, like maybe making Kaiba less of a d**k if, say, he's in an AU where he wasn't raised by Gouzaburo or his parents didn't die. But as you said, he's still Kaiba, and still wouldn't be writing sonnets. Wow, we definitely are different with video games then. XD Racing and Puzzles are two of my least-favorite genres, and though Adventure games are my favorite, I prefer them with tons of protagonist interaction. Only racing games I can at all enjoy are Mario Kart and Diddy Kong Racing, and puzzle games I'll just play for a little bit before getting bored. Um... but I don't think too many other people actually do do that while driving. XD;; Gosh, that's just so retarded, stupid pixel people! Gamers like that make me feel embarrassed to be a gamer myself. That article had so many good points to it, and it was so true, but also depressing.
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 4:20 pm
Ah, well I'm very particular about my cartoons too. Most of the cartoons I've liked are dark and twisty (Zim, South Park, Drawn Together) or are still rather realistic in most parts (Rocket Power, Hey Arnold), and I haven't really gotten into "new" cartoons in recent years. I did like Kim Possible, but if you take the super hero aspect as just canon it's in other ways pretty "normal," it's not ridiculous. So yea, I'm just picky about my worlds I guess.
I hadn't even heard of God of War until the article, but I highly doubted that is what the game would be about. I mean I can't even see a 14 year old boy wanting to play a game that was continuously that.
Yea, I'm going to try and play it again when I have time but I might concede defeat and just try to finish Blood Omen II before I move in fall. I just want to see if I can get through it, but yea the KH games are my brothers and I don't want to continually borrow them. So if I'll really have to be convicted in my opinion to give up if I do.
Characterization is definitely the most important thing for me - I think that's what really got me so set against AU though. Most AU stories tend to screw up the characters. I have no problem with differences based on stuff that didn't happen, but a lot of AU stories I tend to find it's just all AU, even the characters. I have found some that are really good, but I'm just very likely to avoid them, because of so many bad experiences. Usually if I'm reading AU it's because I really want something with a pairing or series that just doesn't have very many fanfic options, so I'll give it a shot.
Yea, we've already established the opposite interests. There are very few racing games I probably like, most of them are really stiff and annoying (such as Gran Turismo, awful!). But the games I like I love and will spend years playing, and then pick up again from time to time later. Such as CTR (it's Mario starring Crash for Sony), Rage Racer and Jet Moto. I'm very good at puzzle games, and then let me enjoy that pattern control thing I like without distraction. I'm just that creepy kid who likes to play by herself I guess...I don't even want computer people/bots taking up my space. xd
Yea, I realized that about a year ago (after driving for over 7 years now), I actually sat and cognitively thought about what I'm doing. And while I don't like to believe I'm a unique and special snowflake, because none of us are of course, I feel like the people around me can't possibly be doing this. At least at the volume I attributed them to do so. Oh well, I guess being a freak isn't that bad...
I know it really was. Although I've luckily never had to deal with pixel type people, probably because I don't online game, so the gamers I know have already proven themselves capable of facing reality by knowing me. Hahaha. At the same time though, I think the main point that article never made - it's not ok to reveal yourself as a gamer after high school (maybe college)...if you are male. The 2/3rds of us who are female are actually in the clear. Hooray for ovaries. rofl ninja
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 9:45 pm
I'm not so much of a cartoon whore that I'll just watch *anything*, but I definitely do get into a lot of different ones. XD Yeah, especially if the sexing was continuously off screen. Then the entire game would be pushing buttons to moans. Booooorrrrring... I just settled for watching a friend play through Kingdom Hearts. I had made it to the Aladdin world myself before being through with it, but I got to finish the story without actually playing. When AUs totally change characterization, yes, I agree, that just fails. I seem to have been pretty lucky with them thus far though, so have not read enough bad AUs to turn me off to them. Naah, lots of people like puzzle games, and racing games are pretty social. XD Even if you aren't playing with others, you still race the computers. I'm sure there are some others who do that driving thing. Just not a huge amount. Ooh, that is true. If you're a girl gamer you're generally considered hot for being so. XD Unless you're a weeaboo as well. Then it cancels out.
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