Are there any Republicans here?

[Noying]

Death God Hitsugaya

Well, at the ripe old age of 16, I'm politically apathetic. Canada can go screw up the economy and obey the US as much as it wants... I don't want to be here forever anyways.

But there is only two candidates I support. Colbert and The Juggernaut (sp?)

dont tell me you doing the same as the rest of us? i was looking at canada as the one with one of the best health systems in the world sad
for me the whole election thing is much diferent than rest of you. Im from the EU. One of the ex socialistic countries. In this moment our "right" goverment is trying to make us an other USA. That I really hate. Since we had really good social and health systems as out heritage from the ex Jugoslavia. We vote parties and we have like 7 diferent parties in the parlament atm. You vote directly the candidate from your area that will be or not in the parlamet. So every vote counts (even more if you know there is not even 2milion ppl in this country). And that is why i really get angry when somone says that he is over 18 but he/she will not vote since that one vote is not gona change any thing.....  

[Meirelle]

Matataur

I'm also libertarian, but I like the Governator's style of politics. Being republican with left leanings. It's pretty cool to see a politician break the red vs blue stereotypes and do what's best for everyone.

Ron Paul for '08

I love the Governator. He's awesome. If I lived in California, I'd totally vote for him. heart  

[PickleBoy]

Well, personally, I'm a liberal Democrat.

But my friend is an agnostic Republican. She calls me a social communist all the time. So I call her a fascist pig. We have a loving relationship that transcends political views.  

[Levis Pennae]

I would count myself a liberal Republican, if I had to make the choice.  

[I Was The Moon]

I'm a Republican...mostly.

My family is hard core Republican. They pretty much hate Libs and are against pretty much everything they stand for. My father is an Atheist, too, I might add, so the religious generalization of Republicans doesn't apply to us.

My little sister is the worst of them. If it were up to her, she would burn all homosexuals and people that want peace and stuff like that. She just hates Libs and Democrats.

So, even though I'm not really that much of a Liberal, my family still calls me the Lib of the family because:

I support gay marriage
I have no religious "guidance" in my everyday life
and I would be a vegitarian and save the rainforest girl...if meat wasn't so good. Plus I hate tofu....

Anyway, I DO:

Support the war 100%.
Love working toward a good economy. (HOMELESS RATES ARE DOWN WITH BUSH IN OFFICE)
And I love this country. Extreme patriot here. People always b***h and complain about how horrible this place is, but they rarely make a move to leave. Why? Because this is a great country. They wouldn't have the right to complain if they lived in one of those communist countries. neutral More people want to move in than move out. What does that say?
STFU AMERICA HATERS! eek

Ok...there's my little rant. Anyway, I'm a Republican.  

[Theophrastus]

Hmm. I've got to say that I'm in pretty clear disagreement with some of the statements you made (and this guild is here so we can discuss ideas, yes?).

First off I, as many here, find political titles inappropriate to categorize my varied social desires, so I'm disheartened when you diminish a good portion of your country and the world by referring to them disparagingly as "libs." This is a polemic attitude that I've seen used often by people with many different stances but the same is true every time - slapping derogatory labels on others does nothing to resolve issues or address concerns. It serves only to separate and polarize. Therefore I do everything I can to avoid such apparently slanderous terms.

When you say you support "the war," which war do you support? The open-ended and dangerously vague War on Terror? The operations in Afghanistan which were supposed to root out and destroy Al-Qaeda but which have nearly ceased without any given explanation? The operations in Iraq which are focused on a two-pronged assault against the Shia and the Sunnis (the Sunnis having been our allies against the Shia until the US refused to help the Sunnis spread their specific Muslim doctrine)? That same war in Iraq which, despite having failed to produce any WMDs or make any notable dent in the Muslim-on-Muslim violence, continues to be promoted as a successful peacemaking campaign? I'm not sure how any of these actions can be considered worthy of support.

And what do you mean by support? That you give them bullet proof vests and vehicular armor since our government refuses to do that? That you send care packages to the poor shell-shocked teens and young adults over there? That you help fight alongside them? Or that in some ambiguous way you wish them well? I, personally, don't like anyone dying over religious ideology so it could be said that I support the troops in that sense, in spite of my sincere stance against the military occupation of Iraq.

You say that people complain about how bad America is - I've heard very few of these voice and, living in a very liberal town in the American Northwest, you'd expect I'd be at the epicenter of the anti-American "libs" you decry. In fact, most of us love this country, even if we stand at stark odds with some of the decisions of its leadership. Also, I found your statement about Communist nations to be starkly McCarthyan and out of place in any true explanation of what is wrong with those nations.

For the record, I revere capitalism, democracy of the common man and the federated states working in union for mutual benefit. Those aren't exactly Communist ideals, but they do borrow pages from the same social morals.

Finally, when you say "those Communist countries," I must assume you're referring to places such as the pre-collapse USSR, China and North Korea. You seem to suggest that the only alternative to a democratically run Republic is a leader-worshiping military union, which, I'm sure when it's put in those terms, stands out even to your eyes as a fallacious statement.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that your above post seemed like a baseless attack, and I'm going to have trouble respecting your views unless you demonstrate the reasons for your stances and the reality of your claims.  

[I Was The Moon]

Theophrastus

Hmm. I've got to say that I'm in pretty clear disagreement with some of the statements you made (and this guild is here so we can discuss ideas, yes?).

First off I, as many here, find political titles inappropriate to categorize my varied social desires, so I'm disheartened when you diminish a good portion of your country and the world by referring to them disparagingly as "libs." This is a polemic attitude that I've seen used often by people with many different stances but the same is true every time - slapping derogatory labels on others does nothing to resolve issues or address concerns. It serves only to separate and polarize. Therefore I do everything I can to avoid such apparently slanderous terms.

When you say you support "the war," which war do you support? The open-ended and dangerously vague War on Terror? The operations in Afghanistan which were supposed to root out and destroy Al-Qaeda but which have nearly ceased without any given explanation? The operations in Iraq which are focused on a two-pronged assault against the Shia and the Sunnis (the Sunnis having been our allies against the Shia until the US refused to help the Sunnis spread their specific Muslim doctrine)? That same war in Iraq which, despite having failed to produce any WMDs or make any notable dent in the Muslim-on-Muslim violence, continues to be promoted as a successful peacemaking campaign? I'm not sure how any of these actions can be considered worthy of support.

And what do you mean by support? That you give them bullet proof vests and vehicular armor since our government refuses to do that? That you send care packages to the poor shell-shocked teens and young adults over there? That you help fight alongside them? Or that in some ambiguous way you wish them well? I, personally, don't like anyone dying over religious ideology so it could be said that I support the troops in that sense, in spite of my sincere stance against the military occupation of Iraq.

You say that people complain about how bad America is - I've heard very few of these voice and, living in a very liberal town in the American Northwest, you'd expect I'd be at the epicenter of the anti-American "libs" you decry. In fact, most of us love this country, even if we stand at stark odds with some of the decisions of its leadership. Also, I found your statement about Communist nations to be starkly McCarthyan and out of place in any true explanation of what is wrong with those nations.

For the record, I revere capitalism, democracy of the common man and the federated states working in union for mutual benefit. Those aren't exactly Communist ideals, but they do borrow pages from the same social morals.

Finally, when you say "those Communist countries," I must assume you're referring to places such as the pre-collapse USSR, China and North Korea. You seem to suggest that the only alternative to a democratically run Republic is a leader-worshiping military union, which, I'm sure when it's put in those terms, stands out even to your eyes as a fallacious statement.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that your above post seemed like a baseless attack, and I'm going to have trouble respecting your views unless you demonstrate the reasons for your stances and the reality of your claims.

Ok, sir, it's late and I don't care if you respect my views. gonk

As I said, I stand on both sides of the fence. "Libs" is what it's called in my house, so forgive me for working out of habit, here. confused If I could think of an abbreviation for "Republican", believe me, I would use it. Last I checked, "Libs" wasn't an official insult for those who support the Democratic party. It's not my fault that you take it that way.

You have a point in the matter of which war I was talking about. I didn't specify, and I don't think I need to, now. I agree with any military movement we make, because it is a MOVEMENT. I feel that it's better to try to do something rather than standing by and letting things work themselves out. The War on Terror was brought to a front in defense. When we are attacked, shouldn't we stand up and say "no"? The troops are over there protecting us, and trying to make an effort to protect the people of those countries. Whether it works or not is irrelevant, in my eyes. I know, this sounds stupid. But the point is, THEY ARE TRYING. If one thing doesn't work, well, try something else, right? And just because something isn't all over the media, doesn't mean it isn't working and doesn't exist. I've actually had conversations with soldiers that have done some serious work overseas, and they say that what is released to the public by the media isn't at all what's going on. One man said that most everything is peacefull, and that the media is twisting things to make it seem like no work is getting done and that the people are caught in violence and misery. Are we not taking first hand accounts seriously here?

I support the war in the way that I would gladly defend the soldiers and what they are doing. I don't think of their efforts as useless and unworthy of support, as they're just trying to help and make the world a better place. I often donate money and other needed items to soldiers and/or their families who suffer so that we can be proud of our country. And yes, I DO wish them well everyday.

Are you not a part of Gaia Online? There are so many posts talking about how they "unfortunately" live in the US, and that they would love to live somewhere else. It's all over the TV, it's all over the Radio, it's all over the Internet, and it's coming out of people's mouths. Perhaps you don't hear it where you live, but it's been around. I also wish you wouldn't over analyze my post. I know that this is peaceful conversation, and therefore I didn't mean any offense by my post... rolleyes

By "those Communist countries", I in no way suggested that it's the only alternative to a democracy. If you read the whole post, I stated that it was a rant. Yes, I know, I usually hate rants, too. But it's a heat of emotion, and, in the heat of emotion, I didn't plan on sitting down and discussing my entire belief system to anyone. I only meant that in some countries dominated by one leader, there is little choice in what you can say and take in. Please don't take the generalization seriously. I didn't mean it that way. wink

There was no attack, and once again, I don't care whether you respect my views or not. This is the Internet, and I don't know you. If I did know you, I think it would make little difference in my eyes...no offense, I hope.

Anyway, that's probably the last long, possibly pointless, and even more possibly garbled post I'm going to deal with tonight. sweatdrop  

[Theophrastus]

I don't think that some of your points defended to my satisfaction your stance, however, I'm glad you stepped up.

It's important that we, as Atheists, be willing to defend our stances as Rusty Conscience did. Just as her answers didn't completely put to rest my every statement, we'll often find ourselves in the unenviable position of defending an idea that the attacker refuses to or cannot understand.

The most important thing we can do, even as Rusty Conscience says, is to take action of some sort. Now, of course, I'd prefer that action were articulate and well-defended, but in my eyes the worst thing we can do is just be a doormat for some raging opponent who thinks volume or condescension are the same as correctness.  

[I Was The Moon]

Theophrastus

I don't think that some of your points defended to my satisfaction your stance, however, I'm glad you stepped up.

It's important that we, as Atheists, be willing to defend our stances as Rusty Conscience did. Just as her answers didn't completely put to rest my every statement, we'll often find ourselves in the unenviable position of defending an idea that the attacker refuses to or cannot understand.

The most important thing we can do, even as Rusty Conscience says, is to take action of some sort. Now, of course, I'd prefer that action were articulate and well-defended, but in my eyes the worst thing we can do is just be a doormat for some raging opponent who thinks volume or condescension are the same as correctness.

Thanks...I think. Sorry, but I can't help but think you insulted me, although politely, there. xd

Thanks for the recognition, though. Also, I can't help but be relieved that you didn't come back in for another go. I'll admit, your words almost overwhelm me....ALMOST. But, hey, I'm a 15 year old student. Cut me some slack. biggrin  

[Theophrastus]

It's not about trying to critique peoples' posts (because if I was on a correcting mission I'd never leave this guild [or any guild(or the internet)]). No, instead I think it's more of me realizing that this guild is serving as a primer, a first step into Atheism and a learning experience for many of the readers.

Honestly, you should be happy and proud that you and every other member can be a part of that growing experience.

*bows, takes off hat* Thank you for your participation. Refreshments on the left.  

[I Was The Moon]

Oh yes, because you're the master. 3nodding

I'm really excited to learn from people more experienced in the belief. I'll go ahead and assume you're one of them....or you're trying to trick me into think ing you are.

And I'll be learning about something interesting and usefull while I take part in the mostly social experience that is High School. (Seriously, does anybody use that stuff? I've been doing the same English homework since Elementary School.)

*Takes Water* I'd like to be as sober as possible during this, thank you!I'm not taking my eyes off of you for a second, Theo! I'll see what you're planning... twisted  

[Meirelle]

I respect your support for the war. And it doesn't make a difference if I agree with it or not, because the only thing we can do now is stay. I don't support it, no, but we can't just pull the troops out. That would just create a bigger mess. So I support the troops, even though I don't agree with the majority of the war.

And I don't want to make any waves, but "Libs" can be sort of an offensive word. I can see how you wouldn't think so, but the word holds... negative connotations, I guess. Like the Libs are the crazy assholes who want communism and hate America and all that. It's kind of like if I called you a "NeoCon," implying that you're a crazy a*****e who wants to turn America into a theocracy. It's not the real definition of those words, but those seem to be the connotations that come with them. sweatdrop

Just trying to explain that in a way that would make sense. I hope it helped. 4laugh  

[Theophrastus]

Any term used derisively by the Fox News team makes me automatically uncomfortable.

I wonder if we should make a thread about the war. Actually, I think there's an old one somewhere...  

[I Was The Moon]

haha...all my dad watches is Fox News...

He also watches CNN. He wants to hear both sides of the argument. 3nodding

My mother, however, refuses to even think about watching such a Liberal thing.

My bad on the Lib thing....sorry, all.  

[reverie0312]

ProjectOmicron88

I'm a liberal, and I vote democrat, so I guess that makes me a secular tree-hugging heathen. The thing is, I have a very cynical view of the electoral college system, and loathe politics in general. It's basically a contest to see who's the better liar.

But, I do think democrats in today's age are more trustworthy than republicans. Of course, there's the fine dividing line between liberal and conservative that transcends party, so I guess I pick people based on those values. It's just that most liberals tend to be on a democratic platform.

I can't say it any better than this, with the following exceptions: I don't hate politics, just the way people currently practice it; and, I usually vote democrat but will consider a green party candidate if they have a decent shot and I like them the best.

Oh, and both of my parents are conservative Republican Christians. Take that for what its worth.