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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:55 pm
Seriously… about half of my Italian class is comprised of Spanish speakers (looking for that easy A), and when they speak and read, they pronounce it their way. It annoys me so much.
There's one Armo person in there aside from me and Hovig, and her last name is the same as mine, so my professor was telling me to talk to her to figure out if she's my cousin or something…
And then there are like 2 or 3 Italian people in there as well. And one of them lives in Monrovia! And like my professoressa says, "Study group!" I think there are two others that live here as well (as from me of course), e sono tutti ragazze. Ma so Isabella non gradirebbe che.
Still learning.
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:24 pm
It's not really an easy A...it's an easy A when you try to take a Japanese or Mandarin class and you're the only person of a non-asian ethnicity struggling while the rest of the class understands EVERYTHING.
And it's not like Spanish-speakers are getting easy A's, because they are trying to say things with a new accent. It's just the same as a person with an American accent who has never taken a language class trying to pronounce the words in the new language's accent...Unless you already speak the language, there's no such thing as an easy A in any language class.
If you were to take an Armenian class, you'd most likely excel faster than any of the non-Armenian students because they're not used to the language. And even though I know Spanish, Italian is still difficult because of the way things are said and the unbelieveabley great amount of differences between the words and structure of the sentences. Sure, the grammar is the same...but the rules still differ as with any language.
I'd go on more, but I'm tired for now. = 3=
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Melodious Conversationalist
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:20 pm
Noel. I should just slap you for saying that. They all have A's so far. Most of them don't even look into the book or just skim it and they know it already.
Plus she's not grading the accents and such. For instance, the word città. Mostly everyone pronounces it as "cheetah" Instead of placing the emphasis on the à. I could list more and more, but I'm just using that to prove my point.
And the grammar shouldn't be difficult to those that already speak Spanish compared to those that only speak English because of the discrepancy from English to Italian rather than Spanish to Italian.
Etc, etc.
So the Spanish speakers are there for the easy A.
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:02 pm
Then your teacher should be more strict. .__. We are graded on accents and pronunciation on EVERYTHING. The accents are different, and pronunciation is different too. So maybe they get an easy A in YOUR class, but in mine we're all forced to learn all the differences.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:06 am
Dude, she might not be grading those things, but maaaaan do I learn so much. Partially because I actually want to learn it. So I'm making sure I get the fullest out of it. But she did mention something similar to this, "I've been very lenient on the grading, so I'm going to be a lot more strict in the later chapters, so everyone's going to need to work even harder."
And I'm totally up for that. Either way. I am going to get that A in the class. So far that's what I have. mrgreen
Oh crappo, I need to present myself this Friday, to the class, and why the Italian culture interests me. 5 minutes of *Art: The architecture, statues, paintings done by DaVinci, Michelangelo, etc. And music and songs sung by the various Italians. *The natural beauty of the country. *The wine. *The ... supposedly Italians and Armenians are buddy-buddy-- and I never knew this... so why not become friendlier with my buddies by learning their language!? *This one lady that claimed something of mine... *What else?
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:19 am
At least your teacher admitted she was lenient. Our teacher said that in her class, the average was a B. That's how tough she is, but she's freakin' hilarious when we ask her anything not related to Italian. xD
Yeah...I gotta admit I'm not big on Italian stuff...just the food really. It's a wonderful culture and language, but it's not for me. ):
And I just have a knack for reading and writing in other languages, so I'm rather indifferent. o_o
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:32 am
Oh, how could I forget the food!? I was probably satiated enough to forget it..
What chapter/page/material are you guys on so far? Being a stricter teacher I also imagine that she has you guys running faster through the book than my lenient teacher. All the work that we do in our workbooks, we write out on the board every day. And yesterday we spent the whole day covering the prepositions (del, dalla, sui, etc) just 'cause one girl didn't understand it, and the entire class followed with her. Then we got to ... Now I want to list them out to see how many of the eight I can remember from the hour study I gave it yesterday. sopra Above; on top of sotto Below; under dentro In; inside fuori out; outside davanti (a) vI wrote what I thought down there [brain is still on sleep mode] um... davanti means "Before; In front of" right? dietro After; behind vicino (a) Near; Beside; Next to lontano (da) Far from
That's all them! Sweet. Now to go back with smaller font to see if I can remember their meanings.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:52 am
We're at the same pace then. We went over prepositions and 'placement' [easier to call it that] on Tuesday, so whatever is next in the book is what we're gonna learn today *too lazy to get up and get the book*
As for the workbook, we do all the listening stuff online [she will seriously check to see if we did it] and we correct the non-listening ones in class. only thing is we correct our OWN papers, but then it gives us the chance to correct our answers and we still get full credit. She just basically gives us credit on if we actually did the in-book writing. Then she'll give it back to us so we can study it for the tests, which is why we correct our own.
Nice.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:22 am
Alright, so basically we're both on the same page with what's happening.
How many quizes and tests have you had so far?
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:34 am
I think only 2 quizzes and 2 tests. We're having another one either today or Tuesday.
I think today. o-o;
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:00 pm
Same, just no test today... since I have only Anthro day and didn't ev... Yea, only had Anthro today.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:17 pm
Another easy Italian quiz, another easy Italian class assignment.
Aiyaaaaah. x___x
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:53 am
So your teacher is strict, but she still gives you guys the easy stuff..
I don't see what's too difficult in it. *shrug* The only thing I'm having a slight problem with is listening comprehension and then giving my answer back orally. It's not that I don't understand what's going on, it's just that sometimes the people in the recording, their voices are weird, and I don't understand some of them while the others I don't even break a sweat trying to understand them. And then in some of the other recordings, there's someone who speaks SUPERFAST, that person that speaks at a normal pace and the one that s.p.e.a.k.s. v.e.r.y. s.l.o.w.l.y. My responses though, it takes me a little longer than a majority of the group because I'm trying to find the words, make sure the grammar structure I have is correct, and then make sure any prepositions or whatever that I have are correct as well--all in my head of course. But while writing it down on paper it's much easier.
I REALLY need to find someone to speak to me in Italian so I can converse and learn it that way.
You Noelani, since we are taking Italian, it would be very good for us to speak it with each other whenever we can speak it when together. Other than that I don't know anyone else I can speak with.
Anyway, it's time I go do the online listening exercises.
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:28 pm
We don't reply orally when we do the listening comprehensions, but we have to write down our answers. I know what you mean, though...they should have done a better job with the recordings, they go WAAAAAAAY too fast sometimes, and even after listening to it 3 or 4 times, the entire class is still confused.
I don't even see you at school. O___o; And what happened to Hovig?
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:56 pm
Well, we respond both orally and on paper. She encourages us to answer the questions orally before we write them down though. Of course, on the tests we can't respond orally or else the entire class would know the answer. So it's just a practice that we do. And I'm glad you know what I mean 'cause I thought I was the only one with the problem. But hey, after repeating it two or three times, I get about 70% of what's being said, if not all of it.
And we were late today (because of Hovig), so I didn't present anything.
I asked my professoressa what dialect we're learning, and she said we're taking the Tuscan dialect. I did not know that.
Anyway... yea, what happened to you? I haven't seen you in weeks. And Hovhanness has his problems when I speak to him. For instance, today I was telling him L'aula del corso di letteratura inglese, and he kept going off on how I was mispronouncing l'aula though I was saying it correctly. He somehow heard me say sono instead of del corso. That guy's just deaf and very rude. So I just don't bother learning the vocal aspect with him. Just the writing and such.
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