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 Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:10 pm
But think of all the wooden warships. They were boats made from wood and sailed around the world for about 150 days, and most of them didn't sink because of woodrot or a leak. And if Noah could build his arch, don't you think he could have repaired it if something like this would of happened.
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:31 pm
Irish_boy132 But think of all the wooden warships. They were boats made from wood and sailed around the world for about 150 days, and most of them didn't sink because of woodrot or a leak. And if Noah could build his arch, don't you think he could have repaired it if something like this would of happened. You can't repair a boat like that.
Our ships have air locks between chambers so if a leak springs, the leak is quarentined to that one chamber, and the ship stays afloat. Once it's full of water, divers will repair the leak from the outside so when they drain the water inside, no more water comes in, then they can work on the inside.
With an ark of 6000+ years ago, that would be impossible.
Stearing away from the ark itself, now, what of the fish? Fresh-water fish would have died, should the oceans have mixed with the overflown lakes, which, it did, as the entire Earth was said to have been flooded, up to 20 ft higher then the tallest mountain. So how did they not go extinct, should that have really happened?
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:25 pm
WARNING-THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION!!!
One question...What made the Universe. The only logical answer would be a higher power or Supreme Being. Everything has a begginning. The beggining of all life and what we have came to know as humanity was made by a Supreme Being. Many people believe that everything comes from something, but when they are asked what started the universe, they cannot answer without including religion. A/The God did indeed start the Universe and all of humanity. Then as things gradually produced, planets were formed, things grew, and life became on Earth. A/The God created all of life. There is no other explanation. Now, do not think I do not believe in Evolution, 'cause anyone who doesn't do not deserve any credibility. Evolution is happening right now. People die and people are born. Nothing else to it. So, if you say you are an Athiest and do not believe in a God, think about who brought you here. You may say, "It was my parents", well who brought them. It all goes back to the begginning of time. And that was created by none other than A/The God.
((Yes I did repost this in another forum, but it's because it is perfect for both.))
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:38 pm
As for your accusations AmErIcAnSyKo, have you ever heard of Miracles? In the Bible it explains Miracles. Now, there were only so many of them, but Noah was not alone on his journey. God was with him the entire way. I am Catholic, which is a branch off of Christian, and we basically beleive the same thing. In our religion, we believe God CAN do anything/everything. As there is proof of the Earth revolving around the Sun, tell me how they became. They became from the galaxies and all of that other junk floating around in our Solar System. Our Solar System became from the Universe. Tell me, how did the Universe become?
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:35 am
AmErIcAnSyKo x_Silver_Starlight_x Well, I'm christian, and I beleive in Dinosaur's. There's solid proof that they existed, so we can't deny it. But I'm not sure of evolution. There isn't solid proof for it, but I'm not denying it, just not sure about it. ...
There is NO proof of God or basically any of the events of the bible.
So that's why I go with the evolution theory. It's more believable and reasonable to me then an almighty invisible creator of the universe as written by people who had a very poor, primitive understanding of the world and how it works.
So, yeah. You also state that those who started the belife in God were primitive. People still belive in god, so does that make us Cristians, Jews, and Muslums primitive. We all belive in the same God that is talked about in the Torah, the Bible, and the Qur'an. We may call him different things, but he is the same god.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:14 pm
shampoo luver #1 As for your accusations AmErIcAnSyKo, have you ever heard of Miracles? In the Bible it explains Miracles. Now, there were only so many of them, but Noah was not alone on his journey. God was with him the entire way. I am Catholic, which is a branch off of Christian, and we basically beleive the same thing. In our religion, we believe God CAN do anything/everything. As there is proof of the Earth revolving around the Sun, tell me how they became. They became from the galaxies and all of that other junk floating around in our Solar System. Our Solar System became from the Universe. Tell me, how did the Universe become? Your arguement is weak. You try to explain the unknown with an unknown. You attack the fact that I don't know what created the universe, when you, yourself, have no proof supporting your accusation that "God" was the creator.
So I'm not even going to debate with you if that's what you're going to try to throw on the table at this point.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:17 pm
Irish_boy132 AmErIcAnSyKo x_Silver_Starlight_x Well, I'm christian, and I beleive in Dinosaur's. There's solid proof that they existed, so we can't deny it. But I'm not sure of evolution. There isn't solid proof for it, but I'm not denying it, just not sure about it. ...
There is NO proof of God or basically any of the events of the bible.
So that's why I go with the evolution theory. It's more believable and reasonable to me then an almighty invisible creator of the universe as written by people who had a very poor, primitive understanding of the world and how it works.
So, yeah. You also state that those who started the belife in God were primitive. People still belive in god, so does that make us Cristians, Jews, and Muslums primitive. We all belive in the same God that is talked about in the Torah, the Bible, and the Qur'an. We may call him different things, but he is the same god. You're correct in the fact that I said they were primitive.
But I have no idea why you're trying to accuse me of calling the people of today "primitive".
Being primitive, and believing what you've been taught to believe for generations, is different.
Soooo.. What's your point?
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:21 pm
shampoo luver #1 WARNING-THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION!!!
One question...What made the Universe. The only logical answer would be a higher power or Supreme Being. Everything has a begginning. The beggining of all life and what we have came to know as humanity was made by a Supreme Being. Many people believe that everything comes from something, but when they are asked what started the universe, they cannot answer without including religion. A/The God did indeed start the Universe and all of humanity. Then as things gradually produced, planets were formed, things grew, and life became on Earth. A/The God created all of life. There is no other explanation. Now, do not think I do not believe in Evolution, 'cause anyone who doesn't do not deserve any credibility. Evolution is happening right now. People die and people are born. Nothing else to it. So, if you say you are an Athiest and do not believe in a God, think about who brought you here. You may say, "It was my parents", well who brought them. It all goes back to the begginning of time. And that was created by none other than A/The God.
((Yes I did repost this in another forum, but it's because it is perfect for both.))
I swear, I laughed incredibly loud when I read what you posted..
"The only logical answer would be a higher power or Supreme Being."
Really. That was classic.
If you want to be like that, though, where did God come from?
Why is it that "God" can just appear from nowhere, since the begining of time, but the universe can't..?
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I can't stand you people. You're borderline hypocritical.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:49 pm
Ok. Even if all you say is true, you don't need to attack other people's religon. I can tell your a atheist, the way you act says it all. My brother is an athiest, yet he doesn't attack other people and their belifes. And how can you prove there is no supream being that created everything. You can't know that because there have never been any fact that proves that there is no supream being, and there is no way to prove that. And if heven and hell don't exist, how come people who've died and come back to life been able to decribe both, and they were legaly dead.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:03 pm
shampoo luver #1 WARNING-THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION!!!
One question...What made the Universe. The only logical answer would be a higher power or Supreme Being. Everything has a begginning. The beggining of all life and what we have came to know as humanity was made by a Supreme Being. Many people believe that everything comes from something, but when they are asked what started the universe, they cannot answer without including religion. A/The God did indeed start the Universe and all of humanity. Then as things gradually produced, planets were formed, things grew, and life became on Earth. A/The God created all of life. There is no other explanation. Now, do not think I do not believe in Evolution, 'cause anyone who doesn't do not deserve any credibility. Evolution is happening right now. People die and people are born. Nothing else to it. So, if you say you are an Athiest and do not believe in a God, think about who brought you here. You may say, "It was my parents", well who brought them. It all goes back to the begginning of time. And that was created by none other than A/The God.
((Yes I did repost this in another forum, but it's because it is perfect for both.))
This was how I thought for the longest time. Everything you said in this post is what I had always believed. But now I request that you take a look at it the way I did.
You say that there is a supreme being, a God, that created the universe and all things in it, yes? That is understandable. But then you have to think, if a God created the universe and all things in it, who created that God? What gave that supreme being the power to do all the things he/she/it is fabled to do? Was this supreme being simply there before everything else? Was it simply there for all of eternity? Did it create itself?
And if you have the power to say that this supreme being was simply there for all eternity before all eternity, who are we to say that the universe wasn't simply there? If this supreme being created itself from nothing, who are we to say that the universe didn't simply create itself from nothing?
Ponder it that way.
And holy hell, after I typed all this out I went down to the bottom of the 'Post a Reply' page and saw that Syko said pretty much the same thing in fewer words. neutral
Dammit, Kenny.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:05 pm
Irish_boy132 Ok. Even if all you say is true, you don't need to attack other people's religon. I can tell your a atheist, the way you act says it all. My brother is an athiest, yet he doesn't attack other people and their belifes. And how can you prove there is no supream being that created everything. You can't know that because there have never been any fact that proves that there is no supream being, and there is no way to prove that. And if heven and hell don't exist, how come people who've died and come back to life been able to decribe both, and they were legaly dead. Lol. I'm not atheist. I'm in search of the truth. You would be correct though, in the assumption that I am leaning toward atheism with every sentence I read in this forum, which brings me to believe more and more that christians are in denial. Of course, that's just my opinion, and not everyone is part of that stereotype.
The point of an arguement is to state your opinion and argue your points against others with opposing views. If that's called "attacking", then I sure as hell do a lot of it in the "debate" forum.
People die and describe heaven and hell, and you believe it? That's hilarious.
I could die and tell you a saw a "flying spaghetti monster", and you would believe that, wouldn't you? You couldn't disprove it, you couldn't tell me I was lying, you know why? because it's the same exact principle as God, heaven and hell.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:08 pm
Teh Pure shampoo luver #1 WARNING-THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION!!!
One question...What made the Universe. The only logical answer would be a higher power or Supreme Being. Everything has a begginning. The beggining of all life and what we have came to know as humanity was made by a Supreme Being. Many people believe that everything comes from something, but when they are asked what started the universe, they cannot answer without including religion. A/The God did indeed start the Universe and all of humanity. Then as things gradually produced, planets were formed, things grew, and life became on Earth. A/The God created all of life. There is no other explanation. Now, do not think I do not believe in Evolution, 'cause anyone who doesn't do not deserve any credibility. Evolution is happening right now. People die and people are born. Nothing else to it. So, if you say you are an Athiest and do not believe in a God, think about who brought you here. You may say, "It was my parents", well who brought them. It all goes back to the begginning of time. And that was created by none other than A/The God.
((Yes I did repost this in another forum, but it's because it is perfect for both.))
This was how I thought for the longest time. Everything you said in this post is what I had always believed. But now I request that you take a look at it the way I did.
You say that there is a supreme being, a God, that created the universe and all things in it, yes? That is understandable. But then you have to think, if a God created the universe and all things in it, who created that God? What gave that supreme being the power to do all the things he/she/it is fabled to do? Was this supreme being simply there before everything else? Was it simply there for all of eternity? Did it create itself?
And if you have the power to say that this supreme being was simply there for all eternity before all eternity, who are we to say that the universe wasn't simply there? If this supreme being created itself from nothing, who are we to say that the universe didn't simply create itself from nothing?
Ponder it that way.
And holy hell, after I typed all this out I went down to the bottom of the 'Post a Reply' page and saw that Syko said pretty much the same thing in fewer words. neutral
Dammit, Kenny. Hahaha. Ily. 4laugh
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:29 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo Teh Pure shampoo luver #1 WARNING-THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION!!!
One question...What made the Universe. The only logical answer would be a higher power or Supreme Being. Everything has a begginning. The beggining of all life and what we have came to know as humanity was made by a Supreme Being. Many people believe that everything comes from something, but when they are asked what started the universe, they cannot answer without including religion. A/The God did indeed start the Universe and all of humanity. Then as things gradually produced, planets were formed, things grew, and life became on Earth. A/The God created all of life. There is no other explanation. Now, do not think I do not believe in Evolution, 'cause anyone who doesn't do not deserve any credibility. Evolution is happening right now. People die and people are born. Nothing else to it. So, if you say you are an Athiest and do not believe in a God, think about who brought you here. You may say, "It was my parents", well who brought them. It all goes back to the begginning of time. And that was created by none other than A/The God.
((Yes I did repost this in another forum, but it's because it is perfect for both.))
This was how I thought for the longest time. Everything you said in this post is what I had always believed. But now I request that you take a look at it the way I did.
You say that there is a supreme being, a God, that created the universe and all things in it, yes? That is understandable. But then you have to think, if a God created the universe and all things in it, who created that God? What gave that supreme being the power to do all the things he/she/it is fabled to do? Was this supreme being simply there before everything else? Was it simply there for all of eternity? Did it create itself?
And if you have the power to say that this supreme being was simply there for all eternity before all eternity, who are we to say that the universe wasn't simply there? If this supreme being created itself from nothing, who are we to say that the universe didn't simply create itself from nothing?
Ponder it that way.
And holy hell, after I typed all this out I went down to the bottom of the 'Post a Reply' page and saw that Syko said pretty much the same thing in fewer words. neutral
Dammit, Kenny. Hahaha. Ily. 4laugh
But really. I can understand people wanting to stick to their religion and what they've been taught, but they have to think about it logically.
I believe it was in "The Most Dangerous Game" that it was stated that logic and reason are what make humans the greatest of all animals. If humans stop using their logic then we will start to see evolution firsthand as we turn back into monkeys and apes. =/
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:45 pm
Teh Pure AmErIcAnSyKo Teh Pure shampoo luver #1 WARNING-THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION!!!
One question...What made the Universe. The only logical answer would be a higher power or Supreme Being. Everything has a begginning. The beggining of all life and what we have came to know as humanity was made by a Supreme Being. Many people believe that everything comes from something, but when they are asked what started the universe, they cannot answer without including religion. A/The God did indeed start the Universe and all of humanity. Then as things gradually produced, planets were formed, things grew, and life became on Earth. A/The God created all of life. There is no other explanation. Now, do not think I do not believe in Evolution, 'cause anyone who doesn't do not deserve any credibility. Evolution is happening right now. People die and people are born. Nothing else to it. So, if you say you are an Athiest and do not believe in a God, think about who brought you here. You may say, "It was my parents", well who brought them. It all goes back to the begginning of time. And that was created by none other than A/The God.
((Yes I did repost this in another forum, but it's because it is perfect for both.))
This was how I thought for the longest time. Everything you said in this post is what I had always believed. But now I request that you take a look at it the way I did.
You say that there is a supreme being, a God, that created the universe and all things in it, yes? That is understandable. But then you have to think, if a God created the universe and all things in it, who created that God? What gave that supreme being the power to do all the things he/she/it is fabled to do? Was this supreme being simply there before everything else? Was it simply there for all of eternity? Did it create itself?
And if you have the power to say that this supreme being was simply there for all eternity before all eternity, who are we to say that the universe wasn't simply there? If this supreme being created itself from nothing, who are we to say that the universe didn't simply create itself from nothing?
Ponder it that way.
And holy hell, after I typed all this out I went down to the bottom of the 'Post a Reply' page and saw that Syko said pretty much the same thing in fewer words. neutral
Dammit, Kenny. Hahaha. Ily. 4laugh
But really. I can understand people wanting to stick to their religion and what they've been taught, but they have to think about it logically.
I believe it was in "The Most Dangerous Game" that it was stated that logic and reason are what make humans the greatest of all animals. If humans stop using their logic then we will start to see evolution firsthand as we turn back into monkeys and apes. =/ That is absolutely true. Hardcore christians like these two fella's are hindering the progress of man-kind, by denying science and sticking to their belief's that God is the reason for everything and by trying to find a way to progress, is going against what god wants. For example; Stem cell research. People say it's wrong to play "God", even if it could save thousands of people with muscular diseases live's.
It's saddening.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:45 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo Irish_boy132 Ok. Even if all you say is true, you don't need to attack other people's religon. I can tell your a atheist, the way you act says it all. My brother is an athiest, yet he doesn't attack other people and their belifes. And how can you prove there is no supream being that created everything. You can't know that because there have never been any fact that proves that there is no supream being, and there is no way to prove that. And if heven and hell don't exist, how come people who've died and come back to life been able to decribe both, and they were legaly dead. Lol. I'm not atheist. I'm in search of the truth. You would be correct though, in the assumption that I am leaning toward atheism with every sentence I read in this forum, which brings me to believe more and more that christians are in denial. Of course, that's just my opinion, and not everyone is part of that stereotype.
The point of an arguement is to state your opinion and argue your points against others with opposing views. If that's called "attacking", then I sure as hell do a lot of it in the "debate" forum.
People die and describe heaven and hell, and you believe it? That's hilarious.
I could die and tell you a saw a "flying spaghetti monster", and you would believe that, wouldn't you? You couldn't disprove it, you couldn't tell me I was lying, you know why? because it's the same exact principle as God, heaven and hell. No, I would not belive if someone died and came back and said that they saw a flying spagetti moster.And expalin this. Satainist's don't read the bible properly, they read it back to front, bacwards, exactly. Not reading words corecty, just in revers order, but every letter backwards. So how would they know what hell looks like and describe it just about what it says in the Bible. And about the supream being, did you ever think that there could be other universes they could come from?
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