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Sanguvixen Ex President, Bush Senior once said that "He does not know if atheist should so much be consider citizens of America". To me that chalks it up as the worst because a president said that before an entire nation, which is rediculous and wrong.
Geoge Bush (the older one) No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God
Is that the one? Thats the only one i've seen but i totally agree. Its one of the worst things you could say as a president [it was during his presidency, after some Illinois disaster..?] I havnt had a whole bunch, just uber christians. like some of my friends find it incredibly wrong to be an atheist, so i never talk about being one, unless they are talking bad about us ><
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:53 pm
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[Perfect Calamity] Sanguvixen Ex President, Bush Senior once said that "He does not know if atheist should so much be consider citizens of America". To me that chalks it up as the worst because a president said that before an entire nation, which is rediculous and wrong. Geoge Bush (the older one) No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God Is that the one? Thats the only one i've seen but i totally agree. Its one of the worst things you could say as a president [it was during his presidency, after some Illinois disaster..?] I havnt had a whole bunch, just uber christians. like some of my friends find it incredibly wrong to be an atheist, so i never talk about being one, unless they are talking bad about us ><
Yes, that is it. I don't ever remember it word for word, but every time I think about how a president could say such a thing and that he could get away with it, it strokes a similar feeling of rage.
If he had said the same about Christians, or Jews, or something like that, people would have been in an outrage. It's okay to degrade atheists infront of an entire country because apparently, we're not people.
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:08 pm
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Sanguvixen [Perfect Calamity] Sanguvixen Ex President, Bush Senior once said that "He does not know if atheist should so much be consider citizens of America". To me that chalks it up as the worst because a president said that before an entire nation, which is rediculous and wrong. Geoge Bush (the older one) No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God Is that the one? Thats the only one i've seen but i totally agree. Its one of the worst things you could say as a president [it was during his presidency, after some Illinois disaster..?] I havnt had a whole bunch, just uber christians. like some of my friends find it incredibly wrong to be an atheist, so i never talk about being one, unless they are talking bad about us >< Yes, that is it. I don't ever remember it word for word, but every time I think about how a president could say such a thing and that he could get away with it, it strokes a similar feeling of rage.
If he had said the same about Christians, or Jews, or something like that, people would have been in an outrage. It's okay to degrade atheists infront of an entire country because apparently, we're not people.
Ouch. I had no idea about that. Rawr. Isnt it true 'under God' wasnt originally in the pledge? Just wondering.
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:49 pm
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:19 pm
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:03 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:05 am
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Quote: We are living at an important time. Atheism, which people have tried for hundreds of years to portray as “the way of reason and science,” is proving to be mere irrationality and ignorance. Materialist philosophy that sought to use science for its own ends has been in turn defeated by science. A world rescuing itself from atheism will turn to God and religion. And this process has begun long ago. It is clear that believers have important duties in this period. They must be aware of this major change in the world’s way of thinking, interpret it, make good use of the opportunities that globalization offers and effectively represent the truth along this road. They must know that the basic conflict of ideas in the world is between atheism and faith. It is not a struggle between East and West; in both East and West there are those who believe in God and those who do not. For this reason, faithful Christians, as well as faithful Jews are allies of Muslims. The main divergence is not between Muslims and the "People of the Book" (Jews and Christians), but between Muslims and the People of the Book on the one hand, and atheists and pagans on the other. Of course, we must not show hostility to such people but view them as people who need to be rescued from their error. The time is fast approaching when many people who are living in ignorance with no knowledge of their Creator will be graced by faith in the impending post-atheist world. Harun Yahya September 2002
I think all harun Yahya works regarding atheism all the worst because it makes religious people more stupid.
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blindwolf Sanguvixen [Perfect Calamity] Sanguvixen Ex President, Bush Senior once said that "He does not know if atheist should so much be consider citizens of America". To me that chalks it up as the worst because a president said that before an entire nation, which is rediculous and wrong. Geoge Bush (the older one) No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God Is that the one? Thats the only one i've seen but i totally agree. Its one of the worst things you could say as a president [it was during his presidency, after some Illinois disaster..?] I havnt had a whole bunch, just uber christians. like some of my friends find it incredibly wrong to be an atheist, so i never talk about being one, unless they are talking bad about us >< Yes, that is it. I don't ever remember it word for word, but every time I think about how a president could say such a thing and that he could get away with it, it strokes a similar feeling of rage.
If he had said the same about Christians, or Jews, or something like that, people would have been in an outrage. It's okay to degrade atheists infront of an entire country because apparently, we're not people. Ouch. I had no idea about that. Rawr. Isnt it true 'under God' wasnt originally in the pledge? Just wondering.
Originally there was no "under god" in the pledge. That is true. After the whole thing with the "Godless Communists", they changed it and put the words into the pledge.
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A friend of mine posted this in a bulletin. For a reference note; he's a non-denominational Christian. I thought this was a load of crap.
A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students, "Let me explain the problem science has with religion." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.
"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"
"Yes sir," the student says.
"So you believe in God?"
"Absolutely."
"Is God good?"
"Sure! God's good."
"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
"Yes."
"Are you good or evil?"
"The Bible says I'm evil."
The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and y ou can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"
"Yes sir, I would."
"So you're good...!"
"I wouldn't say that."
"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."
The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"
The student remains silent.
"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
"Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?"
"Er...yes," the student says.
"Is Satan good?"
The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."
"Then where does Satan come from?"
The student falters. "From God"
"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"
"Yes, sir."
"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"
"Yes."
"So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."
Again, the student has no answer. "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"
The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."
"So who created them?"
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them?" There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"
The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor, I do."
The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"
"No sir. I've never seen Him."
"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"
"No, sir, I have not."
"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus?
"Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?"
"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."
"Yet you still believe in him?"
"Yes."
"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?"
"Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."
"Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"
"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."
"And is there such a thing as cold?"
"Yes, son, there's cold too."
"No sir, there isn't."
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees."
"Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.
"What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"
"Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?"
"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word."
"In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?"
"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."
The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?"
"You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought."
"It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it."
"Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"
"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."
"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?" The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.
"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean."
The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter.
"Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir."
"So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.
Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess you'll have to take them on faith."
"Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"
Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."
To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."
The professor sat down.
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