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 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:10 pm
Le Aristocrat metamorphize Quote: Quote: I can NOT stand Mozart. icon_xp.gif I'm sorry, I'm not sure what it is about him... I just listen to his work and feel... nothing. The absense of any feeling. I try and I try... I just can't get any feeling across. I can't feel. Which scares me because I use classical music to feel things. I don't know, it probably doen'st make any sense. I tried explaning it to my jazz teacher once, and he looked at me like I was insane. Mayb eI just am. Well, I can't relate. I always find Mozart quite emotional - just that the emotion isn't as in-your-face as in, say, Mahler. Try the 2nd Movement of the 23rd Piano Concerto. No one can listen to that and not be moved. I listened to it, like you suggested..... and I liked it. Alot. I'm so bewildered, but rather happy. Thank you, for showing me something that I could never find before. ^_^ Ah, you're most welcome. If you need more, just ask. Some more songs by him to check out would be most appreciated, if you don't mind.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:12 am
liebestraume Just because the vast majority agree to something, doesn't mean it's true. Lots of people may recognize Mozart as the most popular composer, but consider that lots of people listen to "Opera" that consists of Andrea Bocelli and Il Divo. I'm not convinced by strength in numbers.
heart ... Autumn leaves fall and are swept out of sight ...
*GNERK!*
*heart attack*
I thought this would be the one place where I'd be able to avoid that atrocity! gonk
... So are the memories of love that we knew ... heart
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:20 pm
liebestraume Just because the vast majority agree to something, doesn't mean it's true. Lots of people may recognize Mozart as the most popular composer, but consider that lots of people listen to "Opera" that consists of Andrea Bocelli and Il Divo. I'm not convinced by strength in numbers. If you want to ask why everyone knows the tunes to Mozart, it's because him and his father were shameless promoters of his music, at a time in history when stuff began to be canonized. Mozart and Handel are two of the very first composers who have never left the concert repertoire (Thus why most people also recognize the "hallelujah" from Handel's Messiah), as opposed to figures like Telemann and Bach, who both received "revivals" in the 19th and 20th century. Mozart is a brand. Like IBM, or Coca-Cola, or Nike. He may be a great composer, but the be all end all? Puh-leeze. Save your "fanboydom" for the PS3/Xbox 360 wars mrgreen . Haha, but don't you see? If the vast majority believe something, it doesn't matter if it's true. It becomes true. Many classical music "experts" will say they love Wagner, and that Parsifal is their favourite piece of music. That still doesn't affect the fact that the vast majority would prefer Mozart's Clarinet Concerto. Numbers = listeners. And music is made to listen to. And if you want "experts", look to other composers. The vast majority were enchanted by Mozart: Beethoven, Chopin, Brahms, R. Strauss. And you can't put down everything to him and his father. They're long gone. If everything was down to promotion, wouldn't Thalberg still be heavily in the repertoire? All composers are brands. But there is a reason why Coca-Cola is more popular than crappy 25p bottles of Tesco Basic lemonade, if you catch my drift.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:56 pm
Yeah, because coke spends more money on advertising, lol. I'm not saying Mozart sucks, just that he's not the greatest in the world; but come on, let's not call C.P.E. Bach or Clementi Tesco lemonade wink ...
Mozart was:
a) a very talented instrumentalist
b) very widely promoted in his time
c) dead before 40
Name one musician who has all that and has fallen into obscurity, lol.
Whatever, I don't really want to argue the point to death. I just roll my eyes when people praddle on like he's God's gift to music. When ANYONE's labelled as a genius, really...Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner, Schoenberg, Stravinsky...I'm annoyed by the idea of someone descending from Mount Parnassus and summoning notes to page, in flawless harmony, counterpoint, and orchestration.
But alas, I shall agree to disagree. I've got a recording of Alfred Brendel playing KV 331 (Sonata in A) that goes very nicely on a crisp autumn day. That's about as far as my Mozart goes.
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:42 am
liebestraume Yeah, because coke spends more money on advertising, lol. I'm not saying Mozart sucks, just that he's not the greatest in the world; but come on, let's not call C.P.E. Bach or Clementi Tesco lemonade wink ... Mozart was: a) a very talented instrumentalist b) very widely promoted in his time c) dead before 40 Name one musician who has all that and has fallen into obscurity, lol. Whatever, I don't really want to argue the point to death. I just roll my eyes when people praddle on like he's God's gift to music. When ANYONE's labelled as a genius, really...Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner, Schoenberg, Stravinsky...I'm annoyed by the idea of someone descending from Mount Parnassus and summoning notes to page, in flawless harmony, counterpoint, and orchestration. But alas, I shall agree to disagree. I've got a recording of Alfred Brendel playing KV 331 (Sonata in A) that goes very nicely on a crisp autumn day. That's about as far as my Mozart goes. To you he's not the greatest composer that has ever lived. To many people he is, and they are perfectly entitled in that opinion. Have you ever entertained the idea that perhaps they can hear something more in his music than you can? Also, Beethoven: a) was a very talented instrumentalist b) became death and continued to compose c) EXTREMELY famous by the time he died Chopin: a) died young b) was a very talented instrumentalist c) EXTREMELY famous by the time he died Schubert: a) died extremely young b) was incredibly prolific Schumann: a) mangled his hands b) tried to commit suicide You can give reasons for fame for any composer. Don't single out Mozart. If you're going to do that, we'll have to come to the conclusion that none of them are famous for their music - just for their lives. Well, Mozart was a prodigy - you can't really deny it. If people call him a genius, they are probably correct. And perhaps people should be entitled to calling the pieces they most enjoy "works of genius".
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:54 pm
All I have are his symphonies, and symphonies were never really my cup of tea. Beethoven makes the best symphonies in my ears.
So I will need to get me some Mozart. I've heard Heinz Holliger play the Oboe Concerto and that blew my socks off. Didn't know an oboe could be played like that. I'll use this thread for reference to what's good.
Also, Aristocrat: LOL at how those lists go from "rahh splendour and grandeur and celebrity" down to ..suddenly not HUGELY POPULAR... down to..
Mangled his hands.
Then tried to kill himself.
lol'd
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:22 pm
nechuroo All I have are his symphonies, and symphonies were never really my cup of tea. Beethoven makes the best symphonies in my ears. So I will need to get me some Mozart. I've heard Heinz Holliger play the Oboe Concerto and that blew my socks off. Didn't know an oboe could be played like that. I'll use this thread for reference to what's good. Also, Aristocrat: LOL at how those lists go from "rahh splendour and grandeur and celebrity" down to ..suddenly not HUGELY POPULAR... down to.. Mangled his hands. Then tried to kill himself. lol'd Thanks for appreciating it. Schumann had such a tragic life. Well, Mozart really shines in Concertante and Operatic works. I'd recommend the Clarinet and Bassoon Concertos as well. Now, Piano Concerti...they're all good, but a few wonderful ones would be 9, 13, 17, 20, 21, 23, 24, 26 and 27. And much of his chamber music is stunning as well.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:22 pm
I'll have a look at that stuff! Listening to the concert for flute, harp and orchestra now (KV 299) and it's really charming. I really like it. I've never heard Mozart like that.
EDIT: About Schumann, I don't really know much about him. The only Schumann I have heard was Clara Schumann. Her piano works are amazing. But anyone with a destiny like that one of Roberts..it's sad =/
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:18 pm
I think Mozart's Rondo Alla Turca is waaaaaaaaaaaay too overplayed ...
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:58 pm
The Adagio movement of his Piano Concerto No. 23 is too awesome for words.
I also like his Clarinet Concerto, but that piano concerto, I just love it. I had it as a ringtone at one point. (the beginning part with the solo piano.)
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:22 am
I really enjoy mozart's music, but I also agree that some pieces are too overplayed, and very few importance is given to some of his other works, like his violin sonatas. I love many of them, but they aren't something you hear a lot.
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:25 pm
Die Zauberflöte (the magic flute) is easily in my top 3 favorite Operas. No, after years of opera and classical vocal repitoire, I do NOT favor Der Holle Rache (even though I have sung it) my favorite aria from The Magic Flute is Pamina's aria Ach ich fuhl's. I will hopefully be performing it in recital and on my jury next year. smile
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:58 pm
I must admit, Mozart (whom I love dearly) is indeed one of the most overrated composers ever.
For the longest time, after early childhood, when I'd never heard the staples of Eine Kleine Nachtmusik and the Overtures and a few Symphonies we all know and hear practically daily, after that I hated Mozart passionately.
Then: I heard K448, the Sonata for 2 Pianos, Movement 1 in an episode of Ouran HS Host Club.
And I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread.
I watched Amadeus a few years before, and was completely in love with the soundtrack.
Why?
It was music that wasn't popular, but was still by Mozart.
You won't find his genius in music that's overplayed.
It's overplayed to the masses, and if you'll notice, the masses aren't the brightest bulbs on the tree. They don't know how to listen to music, what to listen for, or what's going on theoretically.
If they understood the beauty of it all, they wouldn't be so quick to criticize it as "lame" "stupid" etc. etc.
I started downloading the Complete Works of Mozart in a torrent (I'm a student, I can't afford that sort of thing >.> internet to the rescue!) and heard the music in it, the pieces I'd never heard before in the whole of my life. They were passionate, they had, I'm sorry to say, perhaps more emotion than anything I'd heard.
Mozart was a genius, but most people have never heard the fruit of it, only tasted the leaves.
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:24 am
~Eine Kleine Nactmusick
~Oboe Concerto
~Sonata for Two Pianos in D
~Symphony no. 40
~Ah Vous Jirai Naman (not quite sure with the spelling) aka Twinkle Twinkle Little Star (?)
~Piano Sonata no. 15
~Ronda Alla Turca
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