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…What? Who? Is it everyone in the cast, the audience… just who exactly is that finds him perfect? Because as if I recall from the manga, no one actually finds him perfect.

Like in the beginning of Battle City, Kaiba basically calls him a bitter spirit looking for past glories. Which I don’t necessarily think that was meant as a compliment for a perfect-sorta guy.



It’s called being a protagonist. It’s nothing new. Tons of things do this, not just anime. Books, American television, British television… I mean really, are you going to say that the Doctor is a terrible character because everything revolves around him?



No, it isn’t obsession. It’s being a friend, they help him because they are his friend. You know, that thing this entire show/manga is about? And I can argue that, no, not everything does revolve around Yami no Yuugi. Did you miss every single theme Kazuki Takahashi stuffed into his series? Or even the epilogue where Yuugi says that this isn’t a story about a Pharaoh? Better yet, did you miss the fact Yami no Yuugi says HIMSELF that his friends are his strength? Because I’m pretty sure that was the forethought of every speech he has ever given in the series. Ever.

Not touching the killing/defeating thing because that’s obvious.



He didn’t want to go through Battle City in the first place because he thought he was being selfish. He wanted to stay with everyone for Yuugi and his friends. Anzu was the one who told him it was okay to be selfish, and go ahead and work towards his wish.

Yuugi tells him that he helped him grant his wish, and he would do the same for him. It’s called ~*~PARTNERSHIP~*~.




Also it was the character’s own choice! He can’t control what they do or what they don’t do! And trust me, he gets really, really worked up over all his friends being hurt. The fact he doesn’t rail on Malik like he does the ring personality or Kaiba during the duel? Kind of proves how he really is hurt over his friends.

Lemme quote him from after Jounouchi is unconscious, in the Battle City finals:

“It’s all over… That promise was what kept me going, all through-out Battle City… you were always on my mind… My lost memories, the god cards… what do they matter now? Did I lose Jounouchi for things like that?

Now there’s only one thing keeping me going… my hatred for Malik. But tell me, after that… what then? Jounouchi is…”

ALSO HOW DARE HIS OWN MEMORIES REVOLVE AROUND HIM.



… so, let me ask you something. If your friend needs something, but you have to put yourself into danger for them to get it… you’re… not going to? Now who is the selfish one?



….I’m sorry I’m so confused. I don’t. even. Did you just ignore the entire series?

He isn’t arrogant! Damn, he’s proud of what he does. An artist can be proud of what they do, right? Why can’t he be proud of what he’s good at?

He doesn’t act that his victory is noble. Actually, isn’t there a part in Memory World when he’s talking to Shaada and he says he isn’t noble or a God, he just does what he thinks is right?

Noooot touching Doma because that ******** his characterization over with a rake. Manga >>> Anime.

… and then people b***h that he’s being too mopey about everything. Goddamn he’s a character that can’t win with you guys, is he?

And as much as I enjoy being flabbergasted by your guys incorrect analysis of a character, I can't handle it anymore.

i'm leaving yo the night *checks out*

It wasn't something that was publicly announced, but that was the reason the series took a hiatus in between arriving in Kul Erna, and the sudden dive in art (if you look through Memory World in those chapters, everything is more angular and rough). It's... also the explanation as to why Zork had a dragon p***s, Kazuki Takahashi was on morphine.

http://yumeoidaku.info/ <-- you can find more information here in the translation afterward sections.

@Atemu: While I don't think you responded to anything I said, I'll admit that my view on Yami Yuugi is probably a bit off. He's not a character that I exactly give all or most of my attention to, and I only know about him from what I've gotten from looking at other characters and from any time I've looked at his character.

Though, I do agree that he isn't exactly Mr.Perfect, and I do have respect for him.

I didn't know that about Kazuki Takahashi either... I feel bad for him :'(

... sigh. Okay. I'm going to use Battle City as an example.

Battle City had so many things, and while yes, it was ultimately the battle Atem had to get his own memories back, he wasn't the only one focused on.

We had Jounouchi's fight to become a true duelist. Kaiba's resolve against his dead adopted father. Yuugi's resolution to become stronger, and not rely on Atem anymore. Hell, even Shizuka got focus -- she had to find bravery in her darkest, hardest time. Malik's was to destroy the darkness of the Tomb Guardians. Isis was to save her brother. Etc, etc.

Now, see. The problem with you thinking that he was the biggest focus? If he was, we, as an audience, wouldn't have known those things. Yes, Atem was instrumental to many of them.

Shaadi was the one who told Malik it was Atem's fault, after all. And for Kaiba? Well, Kaiba always had issues with Atem, his father, and crossing the lines when it comes to games. To Kaiba games equaled death, which was... from Atem's punishment game imagine that.

Or maybe Memory World, which isn't as good as an example because it was borked, but even then it focused on Thief King, Aknadin, Priest Set, Mahaad... Many chapters didn't focus on Atem specifically. The biggest ones that come to my mind are the ones with Yuugi! Who is the main character!

It's okay if he isn't your favorite character, but don't call him "victimized" or "selfish". He is none of those things. In fact, it says a lot that his most selfless act for his country actually ended with so much negative consequences!

Kazuki Takahashi said he was trying to make a story about several people, which comes together as a big puzzle piece. Atem's the anchor, it's true, but you're just looking at him hogging up the time. What's incredibly sad about this? That his actually appearance rate if we don't include dueling?

Is shorter than the normal Bakura's.



Yes, it is. But like I mentioned, Memory World still wouldn't have been your cup of tea because it was going to focus on Set and Kisara and Set's whole struggle with the dynasty and with the on-going war between TK and Atem.



Except you've guys really, really, really overshot this. And to me, it makes it seem you're no different than people who bash Anzu.

And it's not just you guys -- frustration pent up and reading all of this just caused me to go arrgh. But I do think fandom misinterprets him as a whole. I mean, why else would we have so much fanfiction of him being the darkest soul to the purest of light? Or being a spoiled brat?

I think it might help that I've actually looked at Kazuki Takahashi's own character analysis, and he proves that he doesn't see Atem as such a pivotal character as many of you guys do. I mean, if we really want characters that hog the spotlight?

Look at Kaiba, his analsys is over two pages. Everyone else got a barely a page! rofl

But it is exactly because so many characters have their own battles come to light because of Yami no Yuugi that makes him uninteresting to me. The majority of characters and their interesting plot lines ultimately link back to Yami no Yuugi, and I think I would've enjoyed it more if they were more separated from the main plot.
Look, none of us have overshot this. We simply said our opinions on Yami no Yuugi, and explained why that was the case. That is the point of this thread, and I specifically asked in the first post not to attack people for their opinions. There is a big difference between people who bash characters mindlessly and those who say their opinion, and the reason for that, and then go on with their lives. And honestly, I find if pretty insulting to be compared to Anzu bashers.
It is also quite rude to take out other frustrations in this thread, when the entire point of these threads in general is to share opinions without getting angry at others who you disagree with. If you want to rant about your frustrations, then go to the off topic forum, but I do no appreciate your attacks on people who are simply participating in this thread with their honest thoughts. So please, you are free to share your opinion on Yami no Yuugi and why you like him, as you have been doing, but if you continue to insult people by saying they do not pay attention to the series or that they are no better than Anzu bashers, then I will not hesitate to ban you.

Oh, you got the Gospel of Truth? :3 Nice. I've translated some scans of it a long time ago, but now I'm wanting to get my own copy...

I bet it would. I should try looking for it. ^^