Pornography

[Rainbowfied Mouse]

My co-workers and I, as well as my friends and I discuss porn very openly, it can be quite the humorous topic.  

[Pumona]

Rainbowfied Mouse

My co-workers and I, as well as my friends and I discuss porn very openly, it can be quite the humorous topic.

Must be an interesting work place enviroment. We make sexual comments sometimes, but I couldn't picture discussing porn. Just always make sure there isn't any new people around some people might not take it kindly. At least it makes work fun.  

[Rainbowfied Mouse]

Pumona

Rainbowfied Mouse

My co-workers and I, as well as my friends and I discuss porn very openly, it can be quite the humorous topic.

Must be an interesting work place enviroment. We make sexual comments sometimes, but I couldn't picture discussing porn. Just always make sure there isn't any new people around some people might not take it kindly. At least it makes work fun.

I work at a video store, and we rent out porn, so we have it's slightly required that we be a bit more open about it :3 but we talk more humorously about it at small parties or when it's just the workers in the store, we don't want to offend customers.  

[goodshot911SNK]

Hallie Neko-chan

They already have restrictions on porn, anyway. You have to be a certain age to buy it, etc. As long as they aren't going to be viewing it out in public, then there isn't any reason to ban porn. And normally, people with sense don't go around discussing it out in the open, either. rolleyes So there shouldn't be anything against porn if it's kept in private.

well that is true we don't allow nudity in public so nobody dose get offended

and you know rainbowfiedmouse this is a good point alot of people use porn or sex per say in a humorous way to make fun with a more private and hush hush topic like the Viagra commercials  

[Enoine]

I agree with one of the first statements here. It builds revenue (which, let's face it, is badly needed) so let it be. Also, along the lines of it leading to rape I would disagree. Now, I don't plan on looking back here so if anyone wants to argue that point don't expect a quick response :p but reason I am bringing it up again is because it reminded me of back when D&D was very popular and parents were complaining that it was leading their children to become more aggressive and hateful. Which I belive is ridiculous considering some of the things todays generation is exposed to. (I am sixteen, so when I say todays generation I would be referring to myself as well, but still)  

[goodshot911SNK]

I'm sixteen myself and iv done seen and bin offered worse than a smutty magazine lol I'm truly not interested in this subject either I believe that it is bin a human habit for all of its existence really  

[Enoine]

Haha, startin to like you goodshot ^^  

[goodshot911SNK]

dude I'm just saying there are somethings that just maybe are the way they are you wanna know why there are alot of rapists because they rape go to jail get out and rape again and don't get caught and then of course rape again so we should just start issuing the death penalty for rape any kind of rape and it should be up to the person who was raped  

[Enoine]

Absolutely, I agree with you one hundred percent. That kind of stuff is what is going to help take this country down brick by brick.  

[goodshot911SNK]

you know I believe in compassion and all that but sometimes and eye for an eye is what works best  

[Latopazora]

I'm not a fan of porn, but I wouldn't outlaw it. If you're going to outlaw something, you have to specific- and the question we'll end up with is "what is considered porn?"
I have no qualms with artistic nudity, in fact, nudity is what helps my anatomy when I draw. But what I may consider artistic nudity or anatomy practice, someone else may accuse me of porn. In fact, I was drawing a picture of two people kissing- no nudity, just holding each other and kissing, and the moron next to me was accusing me of drawing porn.
If we were to bring pornography to the supreme court, that's the type of problem we're going to end up with. Stupid people are going to start calling everything that has just a hint of nudity pornography and should be banned. Its starts becoming philosophical, holds up the court and could cost millions of tax payer dollars.
Banning things aren't going to stop people from being stupid. We ban drugs and people are still doing them. We banned alcohol and that led to more crime. Banning porn isn't going to stop people from rapping others, in fact rape isn't always about sex, its usually about dominance.  

[Fyre in teh Hoal]

I think that it should be abolished. I personally think that it is a form of sexual abuse for the people in the porn, regardless of their consent. Also, there is child pornography, which, in my opinion, is sickening. Well...all porn in my opinion is sickening. And it's another thing that can lead to addiction.

Come on, people. Are you that lonely, desperate, and sick that you need to watch other people get it on or stare at pictures of naked people? It's all stupid, IMO.

 

[Latopazora]

Queen of the Highway

I think that it should be abolished. I personally think that it is a form of sexual abuse for the people in the porn, regardless of their consent. Also, there is child pornography, which, in my opinion, is sickening. Well...all porn in my opinion is sickening. And it's another thing that can lead to addiction.

Come on, people. Are you that lonely, desperate, and sick that you need to watch other people get it on or stare at pictures of naked people? It's all stupid, IMO.

I doubt many if any of the people in this guild indulge in porn, we simply don't believe in taking away someone else right to choose.
Child pornography is a problem and it is being dealt with by the authorities. The difference between child porn and adult porn is that adult porn is consent. If sexual acts are forced onto someone, and they usually always are if it involved a child, then that's a crime.  

[Lord Bitememan]

Queen of the Highway

I think that it should be abolished. I personally think that it is a form of sexual abuse for the people in the porn, regardless of their consent.

I looked up the definition of abuse, and there's five of them. The problem is I can't find any of these under which porn as a general concept qualifies as abuse. Taking the best shot here:

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1 : a corrupt practice or custom

Whereas ***** necessarily entails a corruption of an innocent child and the adult child relationship, porn involves consenting adults who are participating in the creation of visual media with full understanding of what is occurring. Nothing is being corrupted here, unless you consider sex itself as being corrupted. In that case we open a whole new vista of issues related to proper forms of sex vs. improper.

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Also, there is child pornography, which, in my opinion, is sickening. Well...all porn in my opinion is sickening. And it's another thing that can lead to addiction.

In addition to smoking, gambling, shopping, eating, drinking, and a host of other legal activities, yes, one can become addicted to pornography. Of course, as we get into the issue that it's possible to become addicted to anything how much do we ban and regulate to prevent addiction? We've already demonstrated the efficacy of such regulation to worthless time and time again (we banned both alcohol and one point, and pot, and both can be obtained easily in society today [and during the time of the ban for alcohol]).

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Come on, people. Are you that lonely, desperate, and sick that you need to watch other people get it on or stare at pictures of naked people? It's all stupid, IMO.

Who says that's why people watch porn? I'm married and I watch it frequently. My wife even watches some from time to time. We have a happy and fulfilling marriage in all aspects (including the one you think this fills the "loneliness" aspect of) and this has caused us zero problems. It has nothing to do with being lonely, desperate, or sick. Sexual imagery has existed in visual media as long as people have made art. Check out some of the ancient Greek pottery where they depicted erotic acts and you'd swear you're looking at a 3000 year old issue of Hustler. It has to do with the fact that people are hardwired to like sex. People think about it, constantly. The Kinsey Institute did a study and found that 54% of men think about sex at least once a day. This is an evolutionary thing. Sex feels good, and this is a biological adaptation that encourages us to perform the act, and thus sustain the species (I imagine some species, at some point, evolved so that sex felt horrible. . . but that species probably went extinct). Humans are also a species that have evolved the concept of abstract depictions of reality. Thus, a depiction of sex reminds us of something we have on the brain anyways and allows us to visualize and interpret into reality an image of something we see.

Now, as to why you hold such a pejorative view of the material, well, there are disparities in the view of sex held by men and women. This, again, has to do with evolutionary traits associated with reproduction. There are two reproductive survival adaptations animals employ. The first is to have large broods of children and spend less time raising them. This approach functions on mathematical principle; if you have 100 babies, and 90% of them die before reaching adulthood, you still get 10 babies reaching adulthood. You see this among fish, turtles, etc. The other approach is to have smaller broods of children that receive lots of familial help to reach adulthood. How this approach works is as follows; you have 1 or 2 babies, 100% reach adulthood. This is the evolutionary path humans took. Among fish both partners simply look for a suitable match, go run off and have a quickie, deposit a bunch of fertilized eggs, and return to the business of living. Humans, by necessity, are very different. While the male still retains the biological drive to disseminate its genetic contribution, the female is driven to secure conditions favorable to the survival of its offspring. This is a dimorphic adaptation of sexual goals that continues to shape male and female sexuality today. Men are more sexually active, generally, than women. Checking the Kinsey Institute again, we find that men are more likely to masturbate than women, men are likely to have about 2 more sexual partners in life than women, and men are more likely to fantasize about sex than women (an interesting addendum to this is that men's fantasies have actually been found to more frequently include the pleasing of a partner, something we can understand if we consider this as an evolutionary trait designed at securing a mate).

So, tying this all back in to your revulsion to pornography. Men are more sexually driven than women. This may be a big part why the concept of spending time to view such materials seems a bit odd to you. Additionally, since men will be the number one consumer demographic of the materials, most of them will be geared towards the much more graphic and explicit male sexual fantasies than what Kinsey described as the much more emotional and romantic female fantasies. In other words, you want the love story and the romance novel, whereas men want to hit the fast forward button to the "good stuff." So, it's not that porn is disgusting and the people who view it are somehow deficient, it's that they are probably pursuing different, biologically gender based goals in their sexuality and you are predisposed, biologically, not to be on the same page as them. I'd hardly justify a ban of the material based an a gender-driven misunderstanding of matters.  

[Hallie Neko-chan]

Queen of the Highway

I think that it should be abolished. I personally think that it is a form of sexual abuse for the people in the porn, regardless of their consent. Also, there is child pornography, which, in my opinion, is sickening. Well...all porn in my opinion is sickening. And it's another thing that can lead to addiction.

Come on, people. Are you that lonely, desperate, and sick that you need to watch other people get it on or stare at pictures of naked people? It's all stupid, IMO.

It isn't abuse if the person consents to it, and it doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks. I'm not a huge fan of it myself, and yes, child pornography is wrong because the child isn't mature enough to truly understand the situation and consent to it or it is totally against their will.

But in a way it's almost healthier to be addicted to pornography than smoking or drinking or even gambling. At least there you aren't going bankrupt (unless you're buying excessively) or killing yourself with poisons.

Anyway, getting off topic here. It is that person's choice to do that on video. For some people, it's a career, and a high paying one at that. So if that is how someone wants to live their life, it's perfectly fine. It's not like the person is a waitress and getting her butt grabbed by a customer without her consent. Now that would be sexual abuse. As long as that person is okay with it and signs a contract, there is no abuse present.

I don't really watch it myself, but I have seen a little with my fiance, and there are plenty of people and couples out there that watch it. As long as it stays in your private lives, just like a person's sex life, then it isn't a problem.

goodshot911SNK

well that is true we don't allow nudity in public so nobody dose get offended

and you know rainbowfiedmouse this is a good point alot of people use porn or sex per say in a humorous way to make fun with a more private and hush hush topic like the Viagra commercials

It shouldn't be too bad if you know the person you're talking to. But I wouldn't go up to somebody I just met and start a conversation about it. Haha, that would be kind of awkward.

The Viagra commercials, and the KY commercials... and the Trojan ones. They all are kinda funny.

Ah, innuendo is so much fun sometimes. 3nodding