Your Religion? If Any? Open Discussion!

[Rustig]

Chieftain Twilight

Afro-Dawg

What's a Chaos Shaman? It sounds really interesting.

have you ever heard of Chaos Magic? it's a sort of Occult Philosophical Magical Movement. some good names to lookup are

~ Austin Osmin Spare
~ Aleister Crowley
~ Peter J. Carrol

those are the ones i can think of off the top of my head.

the Movement tends to go by the title of the Illuminated Order of Thanateros. it;s quite an interesting Practice, to be sure. i encourage you to look up Chaos Magic. smile

You missed the part where you explained the "shaman" title, I think. Also, Crowley wasn't involved in the Chaos Magick current, being that he died in the 40's and Chaos Magick was brought about during the 70's. You could argue that his practices paved the way for chaos magick to flourish, but in and of themselves, his works won't give you any information on it.  

[Taigamma]

Chieftain Twilight

Afro-Dawg

What's a Chaos Shaman? It sounds really interesting.

have you ever heard of Chaos Magic? it's a sort of Occult Philosophical Magical Movement. some good names to lookup are

~ Austin Osmin Spare
~ Aleister Crowley
~ Peter J. Carrol

those are the ones i can think of off the top of my head.

the Movement tends to go by the title of the Illuminated Order of Thanateros. it;s quite an interesting Practice, to be sure. i encourage you to look up Chaos Magic. smile

Isn't Chaos Magic pretty much the magic of (strong) belief? I found those arts to be awesome.  

[abarrach]

I was raised Catholic until 12, then my mom and I studied the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses in my teens (never got baptized as JW, so I do make the distinction between "being" a JW and associating with them).

Now I would say I'm a Pagan-Curious Agnostic Seeker. Perhaps a little Anti-monotheistic (either many gods or no gods, but not just one god).  

[Violet fira]

Pantheist/neo-pagan/agnostic about a lot of things.  

[Chieftain Twilight]

Mitsh

Chieftain Twilight

Afro-Dawg

What's a Chaos Shaman? It sounds really interesting.

have you ever heard of Chaos Magic? it's a sort of Occult Philosophical Magical Movement. some good names to lookup are

~ Austin Osmin Spare
~ Aleister Crowley
~ Peter J. Carrol

those are the ones i can think of off the top of my head.

the Movement tends to go by the title of the Illuminated Order of Thanateros. it;s quite an interesting Practice, to be sure. i encourage you to look up Chaos Magic. smile

You missed the part where you explained the "shaman" title, I think. Also, Crowley wasn't involved in the Chaos Magick current, being that he died in the 40's and Chaos Magick was brought about during the 70's. You could argue that his practices paved the way for chaos magick to flourish, but in and of themselves, his works won't give you any information on it.

true, true... i probably should have explained that Peter J. Carrol insisted that Shamanism was the root of all Magical and religious practice, and that if you get to the heart of Spirituality, the true connection to the Divine is thorugh Shamanism.

and i didn't say that Crowely was involved in the founding of Chaos Magic, only that he was important to look up when looking into Chaos Magic. smile that much is irrefutable.  

[Nocturoe Nara]

Since I'm new I looked for things to introduce myself so I will be more understandable in both context and in logic.

I am a Armenian Evangelical Christian Baptist, for specifics sake, but I am open to being spiritually 'awakened' as most would call it. Mainly psychic practices, seeing into things that would otherwise be unknown.  

[Naynram Ukir]

I'm a syncretic Gnostic Christian, Spiritual Alchemist with influences of... Buddhism, Lavey Satanism, and Thelema. Some other influences I can't exactly pin point, too. I also follow Philosophy and Philoamory.

 

[Adalyna]

I'm piecing together my own eclectic pagan mix, Wicca outer-court material seems influential whether I like it or not, possibly because of the fertility focus, but I try to take pearls of knowledge from as many sources as possible without neglecting appropriation or intellectual honesty  

[Zurine]

How do you label your spiritual beliefs?

I'm not sure what to call myself. D:

I: Meditate, practice yoga, lucid dreaming, believe in nature spirits, respect animals when I go hunting, I use herbs for healing, I don't do spells, I don't believe in the Christian version of "God", I believe there is a higher force, reincarnation.  

[Luciferin Bandit]

My own belief system is a nice blend of Discordianism, Zen Buddhism, Chaos, Hermetics, Qabala, etc.

Basically I have been piecing together my own belief system. I add new things as I learn them, if they make sense to me, and i cut away things that no longer seem right to me.  

[Obscurus]

Adalyna

I'm piecing together my own eclectic pagan mix, Wicca outer-court material seems influential whether I like it or not, possibly because of the fertility focus, but I try to take pearls of knowledge from as many sources as possible without neglecting appropriation or intellectual honesty

My understanding is that most of the Wiccan Outer Court material has been lifted from other places so if the "Wiccan" bugs you then you can put it in that context. Of the Outer Court material I've seen, a lot has been lifted from Aleister Crowley and Hermeticism.

Going by Ed Fitch's book A Grimoire of Shadows, Outer Court Wicca doesn't seem to be anything special. Fitch himself gives Franz Bardon credit for most of the actual exercises in his book.

I'm biased against Wicca because of Gardner's treatment of Crowley and his work, but I just thought I'd let you know in case the "Wicca" part of those practices was bothering you since you said "whether I like it or not." sweatdrop  

[Adalyna]

Obscurus

Adalyna

I'm piecing together my own eclectic pagan mix, Wicca outer-court material seems influential whether I like it or not, possibly because of the fertility focus, but I try to take pearls of knowledge from as many sources as possible without neglecting appropriation or intellectual honesty

My understanding is that most of the Wiccan Outer Court material has been lifted from other places so if the "Wiccan" bugs you then you can put it in that context. Of the Outer Court material I've seen, a lot has been lifted from Aleister Crowley and Hermeticism.

Going by Ed Fitch's book A Grimoire of Shadows, Outer Court Wicca doesn't seem to be anything special. Fitch himself gives Franz Bardon credit for most of the actual exercises in his book.

I'm biased against Wicca because of Gardner's treatment of Crowley and his work, but I just thought I'd let you know in case the "Wicca" part of those practices was bothering you since you said "whether I like it or not." sweatdrop

I can actually understand that a little. Its more the fact that I feel a lot of anti eclectic hate from the actual wiccan community due to the misuse of the term from eclectics. I'm not trying to be Wicca at all but the fertility and ditheistic elements are central to my beliefs. I do agree though even though I'm more into folk magic, I want to learn more about the elements from ceremonial magic in their original context, so that if they influence my own practices I know where their coming from. Would you say Gardener's handling of Crowley's work was plagiarist?

Some of Crowley's ideas are very influential to me as well, there are some points I don't agree on but the concept of Will, as I've read Crowley describing it, is really influential to me. My only real disagreement is that in their natural state, wills conflict, and the only time Will should have to bend is when two or more individual wills come into conflict as this enables them to make room for each other. I prattle...  

[Nocturoe Nara]

Zurine

How do you label your spiritual beliefs?

I'm not sure what to call myself. D:

I: Meditate, practice yoga, lucid dreaming, believe in nature spirits, respect animals when I go hunting, I use herbs for healing, I don't do spells, I don't believe in the Christian version of "God", I believe there is a higher force, reincarnation.

You generally type in a search 'what religion believes in.. (let's say; reincarnation.)

Once you have typed in all of your searches for all of your important beliefs then you will see maybe 1-3 different beliefs that match, it's just simple logical deductive reasoning.

But you seem to be very eastern in your beliefs, so the Asian religions would be a great start, it could be a number of them. But I would look up for you if you like.

(Or you can take my suggestion, since you know yourself best.)



OF COURSE;

You can always create your own and be smarticles and put it together with Greek and Latin, or Finnish.. XP  

[Obscurus]

Adalyna

Obscurus

Adalyna

I'm piecing together my own eclectic pagan mix, Wicca outer-court material seems influential whether I like it or not, possibly because of the fertility focus, but I try to take pearls of knowledge from as many sources as possible without neglecting appropriation or intellectual honesty

My understanding is that most of the Wiccan Outer Court material has been lifted from other places so if the "Wiccan" bugs you then you can put it in that context. Of the Outer Court material I've seen, a lot has been lifted from Aleister Crowley and Hermeticism.

Going by Ed Fitch's book A Grimoire of Shadows, Outer Court Wicca doesn't seem to be anything special. Fitch himself gives Franz Bardon credit for most of the actual exercises in his book.

I'm biased against Wicca because of Gardner's treatment of Crowley and his work, but I just thought I'd let you know in case the "Wicca" part of those practices was bothering you since you said "whether I like it or not." sweatdrop

I can actually understand that a little. Its more the fact that I feel a lot of anti eclectic hate from the actual wiccan community due to the misuse of the term from eclectics. I'm not trying to be Wicca at all but the fertility and ditheistic elements are central to my beliefs. I do agree though even though I'm more into folk magic, I want to learn more about the elements from ceremonial magic in their original context, so that if they influence my own practices I know where their coming from. Would you say Gardener's handling of Crowley's work was plagiarist?

Some of Crowley's ideas are very influential to me as well, there are some points I don't agree on but the concept of Will, as I've read Crowley describing it, is really influential to me. My only real disagreement is that in their natural state, wills conflict, and the only time Will should have to bend is when two or more individual wills come into conflict as this enables them to make room for each other. I prattle...

Holier-than-thou Wiccans amuse me to the point that I go out of my way to bug the piss out of them. They always fall back on the "oathbound" material when it's demonstrated that most, if not all, of the Outer Court is stolen or misappropriated (ironic, huh?).

I'd say that since parts of the Wiccan Third Degree and Crowley's Gnostic Mass are identical that it is plagiarism. Let me get you some links in the event you want to read more.

The Great Wicca Hoax - Part 1
The Great Wicca Hoax - Part 2
The Thelemic Origins of Wicca

My thinking on True Will is that True Wills shouldn't contradict at all if they're coming from the same Ultimate Source. I see everything coming from a Source though. I'm not sure on what Crowley thought about that. I'm not a ceremonial magickian, but I do like Crowley's view of "Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law."  

[Liberi Glacialis]

Though "Do as thou wilt" is a ******** dangerous law. Sorry to give a video game example, but see what happens in the Mainline SMT games if the Protagonist sides with Chaos. And think about the implications behind it, not just on the surface.

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I, personally, have no real hard beliefs as of right now.