This is how it should be...lol

[xX Catgirl - Pierce Xx]

Indeed,

All the higher-ups in the government are to blaim for the societies woes.

Even the soldiers that serve them are treated like disposable clones.  

[purpleravenhawk]

Well, I wouldn't say ALL of society's woes, but certainly a lot.  

[xX Catgirl - Pierce Xx]

ok...

Most...

The rest is caused by people that are warmongers and those that want a more militaristic government. (it has too much control right now)

Ben Franklin... "Those that sacrifice freedom for security, deserve neither"  

[purpleravenhawk]

Hey, I'M the one who quotes famous people. mad  

[xX Catgirl - Pierce Xx]

Sorry, LOL

I kinda latched onto this particular saying.

I view it as an extention to my "censorship is out of control" belief.  

[purpleravenhawk]

Well, I suppose it could be considered loosely applicable to that. But old Ben was talking about giving up freedom of movement and belief in order to achieve national security.  

[xX Catgirl - Pierce Xx]

LOL

But censorship is a "national problem" and people flock to it, despite it restricting personal freedoms.

It may not compare evenly, but I still think it's important.
3nodding  

[purpleravenhawk]

But censorship varies from region to region, so I'm not sure it can be considered national. I'm also not sure it restricts personal freedoms. Watching a tv show isn't really an important freedom. It's more like a privilege of free time.  

[xX Catgirl - Pierce Xx]

Yes, but chosing WHAT to what or enjoy is freedom of choice.  

[purpleravenhawk]

Yes, but freedom of choice is HAVING that choice, not getting to choose what you get to choose from. Freedom of choice is being offered three things and having the freedom to pick whichever one you want. You're talking about picking the three things yourself and then choosing all of them. That's more akin to gluttony, not to mention manipulation behind the scenes. xd  

[xX Catgirl - Pierce Xx]

But being able to pick what you want to enjoy yourself is true freedom.

Simply choose from choices given to you by someone else and being told that your not allowed to pick anything else... that's nothing more then imprisonment disguised as freedom.

It may appear that you have a choice, but the truth of it is... you're still being manipulated.  

[Iakun]

Certain kinds of censorship really do come off as being pretty ridiculous. You can't say certain words on certain shows like "********". Seriously, everyone says these words anyway yet they're still censored from tv shows that already have an advisory warning.

Some people might think it's "tin-foil hat" nonsense, but I think the older people get the more they realize media in general is pretty badly manipulated and we're fed crap.

I have to agree with Catgirl-Pierce. What's freedom of choice when the choices given to us by the powers that be are terrible to begin with.  

[Tybarious]

Hey no serious discussion in the main forum, purple said so. (u know sometimes I regret opening my mouth xp )  

[purpleravenhawk]

Okay, I can see your point there, dude and Iakun. (Catgirl is dude in disguise!) Still, I just can't see how tv censorship can ruin a person's life. Like you're always saying, dude, if you don't like it, don't look. It works both ways, with censored and non-censored. I know the media is highly manipulated and controlled, but it's what we've got. If none of it existed, would you clamor for someone to create it?

Yes, I know, Ty. It just seems to happen anyway. xp *pats head*  

[Iakun]

The thing with media in general is that it's controled by the powerful few and leaves us at the mercy of what they want to show us. Issues such as the freedom to cuss on television shows is trivial in comparison to the fact that more sex and violence is making its way onto daytime television. With both parents usually working these days, children are being raised by the television.

So where does freedom come in this situation? Well I guess it's the freedom to choose to continue being negatively affected by what's on tv and keep watching, or turn your head away. I rarely watch anything on tv because it's all crap anyway.

Also... WTF geez that's Dude? lol