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Ritual at Dusk Esiris Ritual at Dusk I started at a site called www.spellsandmagic.com which had a lot of high magic and complicated stuff, which I tried somewhat. I looked over that site- it's not very good. It doesn't explin that there are different traditions, or really go into depth on the subjects and how they work- It really looks like it's more to stroke the authors ego. It is good for some things, but it lacks explanation on the exercises and such. However, when I was first beginning, I didn't know whether it was good or not Everything I read on the page was pretty bad. cat_sweatdrop What parts do you think are good?
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:44 pm
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:21 pm
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:00 pm
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:26 pm
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:43 pm
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:18 am
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:02 am
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Ritual at Dusk Knowledge can be found in everything, you just weren't looking hard enough. There are a lot of pages to look at and on some of them I found some useful info, I don't recall which ones though
You can indeed find such - but few people are going to dig through a mountain of horseshit hoping to find pearls.
It would be much more promising for your claim, though, if the good information you're saying was/is there was in some way even remotely memorable. Instead, your vagueness does the opposite - if you can't be bothered to remember it, why should we bother to look for it?
I'm sure there are people who think spellsandmagic.com is in some way useful. The site has been online for many years now, and is known to the pagan community online. In general, the site is held in poor esteem.
And I don't know about anyone else, but... seriously? -Seriously?- With offerings on 'Black Magic', 'Hallucinogens 4 Spiritual Purposes' (sic), pictures of the author's suspension experiences that are not at all related to anything else, some New-Age stuff, some ranting personal opinions/conspiracy theories, and a mix of different unrelated religious path information, without proper sources? How can you look at that website, at -ALL-, and take it seriously?
It's someone's personal website gone completely sideways. It can't decide if it's an info site, a site for their personal experiences, or a site for selling their services and trying to resell Amazon titles. It is properly a mess.
I can easily imagine a beginner, of any path, easily finding the site - it has a domain name chosen for such, obviously. It even has a beginner page...although it's a real loser.
1. Learn to Meditate 2. Choose your Path of Witchcraft 3. Duck and ******** Cover
Because obviously learning to meditate answers every problem, and is the source of all skill and knowledge and experience. Learn to meditate, jump into a witchcraft path feet first, and then.... learn to defend yourself against the people you piss off, attack, or otherwise rile up. I have to say that is indeed how it would likely end up if you follow Pazuzu's advice.
And a website that freely wanders between the New Age, Pagan and Christian religious paths, 'high magic', and witchcraft...that also contains a warning against beginners becoming dabblers in the Art is... tragically ironic.
I can't understand how any of this site is helpful - there's lots of 'how"-type articles, but very little 'why', and frankly the tone of most of these articles is not great. It seems to move between copypasta, New-Age babble, oooh-spooky Doom Cookie 'dark', and outright paranoid rambling.
A specific example of how this site doesn't make a good resource for a beginner: The Astral Colour page makes it out that the only reason to choose a candle colour is to properly target my "Victim". What do candles have to do with the Astral? No idea or explanation. Nothing on the Astral proper on the page. People who don't know any better may now assume candle magic is properly linked with the Astral Plane, and that it is for attacking people only.
In the end the site is a pile of confusing, ill-sorted materials. I think its' use is primarily as a cautionary tale, a good example of websites to avoid. Anyone who educates themselves from the website will find themselves, eventually, reeducating themselves from better sources - or at least I hope so - although personally I feel it's more useful to avoid the site entirely, and start with better sources in the first place.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:06 pm
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Morgandria It even has a beginner page...although it's a real loser. 1. Learn to Meditate 2. Choose your Path of Witchcraft 3. Duck and ******** Cover Because obviously learning to meditate answers every problem, and is the source of all skill and knowledge and experience. Learn to meditate, jump into a witchcraft path feet first, and then.... learn to defend yourself against the people you piss off, attack, or otherwise rile up. I have to say that is indeed how it would likely end up if you follow Pazuzu's advice.
Things like this are why I love you xd You made my afternoon.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:33 pm
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Morgandria Ritual at Dusk Knowledge can be found in everything, you just weren't looking hard enough. There are a lot of pages to look at and on some of them I found some useful info, I don't recall which ones though You can indeed find such - but few people are going to dig through a mountain of horseshit hoping to find pearls. It would be much more promising for your claim, though, if the good information you're saying was/is there was in some way even remotely memorable. Instead, your vagueness does the opposite - if you can't be bothered to remember it, why should we bother to look for it? I'm sure there are people who think spellsandmagic.com is in some way useful. The site has been online for many years now, and is known to the pagan community online. In general, the site is held in poor esteem. And I don't know about anyone else, but... seriously? -Seriously?- With offerings on 'Black Magic', 'Hallucinogens 4 Spiritual Purposes' (sic), pictures of the author's suspension experiences that are not at all related to anything else, some New-Age stuff, some ranting personal opinions/conspiracy theories, and a mix of different unrelated religious path information, without proper sources? How can you look at that website, at -ALL-, and take it seriously? It's someone's personal website gone completely sideways. It can't decide if it's an info site, a site for their personal experiences, or a site for selling their services and trying to resell Amazon titles. It is properly a mess. I can easily imagine a beginner, of any path, easily finding the site - it has a domain name chosen for such, obviously. It even has a beginner page...although it's a real loser. 1. Learn to Meditate 2. Choose your Path of Witchcraft 3. Duck and ******** Cover Because obviously learning to meditate answers every problem, and is the source of all skill and knowledge and experience. Learn to meditate, jump into a witchcraft path feet first, and then.... learn to defend yourself against the people you piss off, attack, or otherwise rile up. I have to say that is indeed how it would likely end up if you follow Pazuzu's advice. And a website that freely wanders between the New Age, Pagan and Christian religious paths, 'high magic', and witchcraft...that also contains a warning against beginners becoming dabblers in the Art is... tragically ironic. I can't understand how any of this site is helpful - there's lots of 'how"-type articles, but very little 'why', and frankly the tone of most of these articles is not great. It seems to move between copypasta, New-Age babble, oooh-spooky Doom Cookie 'dark', and outright paranoid rambling. A specific example of how this site doesn't make a good resource for a beginner: The Astral Colour page makes it out that the only reason to choose a candle colour is to properly target my "Victim". What do candles have to do with the Astral? No idea or explanation. Nothing on the Astral proper on the page. People who don't know any better may now assume candle magic is properly linked with the Astral Plane, and that it is for attacking people only. In the end the site is a pile of confusing, ill-sorted materials. I think its' use is primarily as a cautionary tale, a good example of websites to avoid. Anyone who educates themselves from the website will find themselves, eventually, reeducating themselves from better sources - or at least I hope so - although personally I feel it's more useful to avoid the site entirely, and start with better sources in the first place.
I understand that a lot of it is useless and pathetic rantings and such, I was just saying that there was some good info on there and the reason I don't recall the pages were because I got the info years ago. And I don't expect you to go looking through it, I got that you don't like the damn site, congratulations, neither do I, I just recognized that a few things helped me on there, like at least leading me in a direction to find better info and giving me topics to research and such and more. The thing I hate about these guilds is how you say one little thing that somebody doesn't believe in and everybody jumps on you like the world is going to end if their opinion isn't listed. People in the paganism guilds seem to just be really uptight and unpleasant, like they have no room for anything but the absolute most correct thing, which is funny considering how much of paganism follows little rule.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:47 pm
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Ritual at Dusk I understand that a lot of it is useless and pathetic rantings and such, I was just saying that there was some good info on there and the reason I don't recall the pages were because I got the info years ago. And I don't expect you to go looking through it, I got that you don't like the damn site, congratulations, neither do I, I just recognized that a few things helped me on there, like at least leading me in a direction to find better info and giving me topics to research and such and more. The thing I hate about these guilds is how you say one little thing that somebody doesn't believe in and everybody jumps on you like the world is going to end if their opinion isn't listed. People in the paganism guilds seem to just be really uptight and unpleasant, like they have no room for anything but the absolute most correct thing, which is funny considering how much of paganism follows little rule. If you don't like the site then why did you suggest it?
And the point that they're trying to get at is, or at least what I think, is a beginner might not be able to tell that a lot of what's posted on that site is bad. Or if they can they won't waste their time trying to find what is actually good.
I actually find these guilds really helpful. And I find the discussions like this helpful. And it depends on the path on if there are little rules or not.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:55 pm
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X-Yami-no-Ko-X Ritual at Dusk I understand that a lot of it is useless and pathetic rantings and such, I was just saying that there was some good info on there and the reason I don't recall the pages were because I got the info years ago. And I don't expect you to go looking through it, I got that you don't like the damn site, congratulations, neither do I, I just recognized that a few things helped me on there, like at least leading me in a direction to find better info and giving me topics to research and such and more. The thing I hate about these guilds is how you say one little thing that somebody doesn't believe in and everybody jumps on you like the world is going to end if their opinion isn't listed. People in the paganism guilds seem to just be really uptight and unpleasant, like they have no room for anything but the absolute most correct thing, which is funny considering how much of paganism follows little rule. If you don't like the site then why did you suggest it? And the point that they're trying to get at is, or at least what I think, is a beginner might not be able to tell that a lot of what's posted on that site is bad. Or if they can they won't waste their time trying to find what is actually good. I actually find these guilds really helpful. And I find the discussions like this helpful. And it depends on the path on if there are little rules or not.
I didn't suggest it! I even specifically said "I wouldn't suggest doing what I did."
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:00 pm
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Ritual at Dusk The thing I hate about these guilds is how you say one little thing that somebody doesn't believe in and everybody jumps on you like the world is going to end if their opinion isn't listed. People in the paganism guilds seem to just be really uptight and unpleasant, like they have no room for anything but the absolute most correct thing, which is funny considering how much of paganism follows little rule.
What you've said here, in this post, is not what your previous posts have said. Your previous posts have made it look as if you are defending the website's reputation by insisting there was something useful there, if we'd only look for it.
If you'd said "Been there in the past, site's frightful but it led me on further to better and more accurate sources" in the first place, I promise you'd have gotten a much different response, and not the "uptight and unpleasant" response from people trying to aid newbies in steering clear of the sort of s**t you find online so they don't waste their time.
For example: if you'd not linked the site, but instead mentioned the name, people would have been less likely to assume you were advocating the site. Putting up a link is more than a strong implication that you think a site should be visited, for whatever reasons you list.
Also, insisting we just weren't looking hard enough for knowledge is also a strong advocation that you believe knowledge could be found there. It would be very irresponsible of me, as far as I'm concerned, to let that stand on a thread for beginners, without also properly outlining my concerns about the site. I can't make up people's minds for them. But I can give them my opinion. Given that beginners often complain that no-one tries to help them and they get left flailing around on their own without direction...I'm trying.
Everyone's got an opinion. Mine's loud, sometimes. Don't like it? Don't listen...or make your own heard in the same manner as mine. Logically. Point by point. Hopefully backed up with some factual information. I'm quite cheerful to accept factual information that counters mine. I'm more than happy to see the other side of things. But I'm not going to be quiet, and I'm not going to make someone else's arguments for them.
As I said - don't like the responses your posts get? Change the way you post...or don't post. We are accountable for our words here. Also, criticism does not mean you are being attacked personally. If you find yourself getting defensive over what's being said, it's worth examining why.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:00 pm
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Ritual at Dusk X-Yami-no-Ko-X Ritual at Dusk I understand that a lot of it is useless and pathetic rantings and such, I was just saying that there was some good info on there and the reason I don't recall the pages were because I got the info years ago. And I don't expect you to go looking through it, I got that you don't like the damn site, congratulations, neither do I, I just recognized that a few things helped me on there, like at least leading me in a direction to find better info and giving me topics to research and such and more. The thing I hate about these guilds is how you say one little thing that somebody doesn't believe in and everybody jumps on you like the world is going to end if their opinion isn't listed. People in the paganism guilds seem to just be really uptight and unpleasant, like they have no room for anything but the absolute most correct thing, which is funny considering how much of paganism follows little rule. If you don't like the site then why did you suggest it? And the point that they're trying to get at is, or at least what I think, is a beginner might not be able to tell that a lot of what's posted on that site is bad. Or if they can they won't waste their time trying to find what is actually good. I actually find these guilds really helpful. And I find the discussions like this helpful. And it depends on the path on if there are little rules or not. I didn't suggest it! I even specifically said "I wouldn't suggest doing what I did." Then maybe next time not saying what site you started at? Because it seems like you're still saying go ahead and go here for info.
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