General opinions among us...

[Deivon]

From a Canadian-who-moved-to-the-States view, I have to say that they look like a rogue province, POSING as a separate country. Of course, they've got a separate government and all...  

[yalie5]

~ HKC Guardian Angel ~

melonsoda

i think Taiwanese people see themselves from being apart from China, and although we are all "Chinese", there is a difference in nationalism. Basically, Taiwanese have their own culture that is distinct and different than the mainland China's culture.

I do believe they should be regarded as a seperate nation...

And as for those of you who don't agree... don't flame me sweatdrop cuz... it's my opinion wink

Nice topic. I do not agree that Taiwan is a separate nation!

We hongkongers too do have our own culture and speech etc that is even more distinct and different than that of mainland china's or taiwan's. At least taiwanese speaks some kind of mandarin as well, but we hongkongers speak cantonese which is totally different. Taiwan was a portugese (Sp?) colony and hongkong was a british colony. Both are having a captalist economy while mainland china is having socialism. But Hong Kong (and Macau as well) is working perfectly fine under the One Country Two Systems principle! Because we are so unique, thats why we're called a Special Admisnistrative Region. Taiwan could follow our example. They can still retain their own way of life, etc. It is quite hurt to see we Chinese are all separated into different "countries" while we're all of the same origin and race. We may classify ourselves as "mainlanders", "hongkongers" or "taiwanese", but we are still Chinese afterall. Why cant we just unite together and use our efforts instead towards foreigners but not to start a long arguement among ourselves? I believe Chinese people are smart and hardworking (and we know how to make money! thats why we are discriminated against in some countries some time ago, if not now). If only we are willing to forget old hostility and cooperate with each other, we will beat the Americans in no time!! (sorrie this has nothing to do with Americans actually. its just used as an example coz USA is like the strongest country?)

This too is just my own opinions though. It's not a flame.

okay i agree with you but only partially. i mean Taiwan has a right to be it's own country. does it really matter if they have the same language or ethnic backround? I mean look america. It's started out a colony just like Hong Kong and Taiwan. And now it's a country of itself. The British don't consider us a rouge colony even though most have the same backround (and lots are mixed) and we also have the same language. Same goes for canada. I don't think that being a different country should stop us from banning together though it might help if we were all one. also people mainland china does speak cantonese. They live in the province where cantonese came from, canton. whee and old hostilities are hard to forget... (btw i'm chinese-american and we're not exactly that hard to beat. I think the real competition is somewhere in Japan or England. They're gaining alot of momentum. and my dad says that china's rising up by itself. with out the taiwanese. something to do with buying excess oil in canada and taking over ibm or somthing like that. hey 2008 olympics are coming up and china's moving at a really fast pace here.) xp 3nodding blaugh  

[the_chibster]

Ruxender

melonsoda

i think Taiwanese people see themselves from being apart from China, and although we are all "Chinese", there is a difference in nationalism. Basically, Taiwanese have their own culture that is distinct and different than the mainland China's culture.

I do believe they should be regarded as a seperate nation...

And as for those of you who don't agree... don't flame me sweatdrop cuz... it's my opinion wink

i agree with your view of point.

technically they are a seperate nation due to when socialist,federalist, or was it communist began to take control of China the nationlist <- something to that extent fled to Taiwan, it is considered the (i can't think of it) of Chian and China is the People's Republic of China.  

[yalie5]

the_chibster

Ruxender

melonsoda

i think Taiwanese people see themselves from being apart from China, and although we are all "Chinese", there is a difference in nationalism. Basically, Taiwanese have their own culture that is distinct and different than the mainland China's culture.

I do believe they should be regarded as a seperate nation...

And as for those of you who don't agree... don't flame me sweatdrop cuz... it's my opinion wink

i agree with your view of point.

technically they are a seperate nation due to when socialist,federalist, or was it communist began to take control of China the nationlist <- something to that extent fled to Taiwan, it is considered the (i can't think of it) of Chian and China is the People's Republic of China.

hmm... intresting...  

[AznAlex]

Well, i'm half Tiawanese. My dad went from china (He Bei) to Tiawan, i think during WWII or something like that. Yeah, with Chen Kai Sheck. And umm in Tiawan they are called "outsider". Well when he traveled to Tiawan he was only 1 year old, so you can say hes pertty native to tiawan. Yet he still consider himself Chinese. For me... I think Taiwan is part of China, but it should be considered a province, like HK is part of the Canton province.  

[cold_blooded_chick]

i'm from mainland china, and i totally support whatever china does, although it may not do the right things all the time, i still side with the chinese government.  

[tamcharles]

cold_blooded_chick

i'm from mainland china, and i totally support whatever china does, although it may not do the right things all the time, i still side with the chinese government.

That's some A-grade critical thinking for ya... way to run with the crowd... rolleyes  

[yalie5]

tamcharles

cold_blooded_chick

i'm from mainland china, and i totally support whatever china does, although it may not do the right things all the time, i still side with the chinese government.

That's some A-grade critical thinking for ya... way to run with the crowd... rolleyes

er... yeah... really i think that china should let go and let the people of taiwan do what they want... they've got legs... let them use 'em.  

[wiim]

yalie5

tamcharles

cold_blooded_chick

i'm from mainland china, and i totally support whatever china does, although it may not do the right things all the time, i still side with the chinese government.

That's some A-grade critical thinking for ya... way to run with the crowd... rolleyes

er... yeah... really i think that china should let go and let the people of taiwan do what they want... they've got legs... let them use 'em.

I think if China let's Taiwan become fully independent, then China will lose face...Again. A long ago China lost its northern lands to barbarians and Manchus. They lost Korean tributary links because of Japan. They lost Hong Kong to the British. And they're losing Taiwan because Taiwan had changed after it was colonized by the Japanese.  

[cold_blooded_chick]

ok, my last post was a bit... stubborn, i guess u could say.

i'm a bit patriotic from fmaily influences. but i guess taiwan has a right to do what it wants, i think it wants to be a separate nation cos it's afraid that china might pull it down from future achievements and there will be all these restraints and stuff.

there's the new law right now that oppeses taiwan from splitting from china, don't know how that will turn out, but we shall see.

but one thing i don't like, is how the american government is putting their nose into this. i mean it's not their business. sure they can show support for taiwan, but they don't have to intefere so much as to sell weapons to them!

so now i'm kinda neutral, i hope that taiwan will be part of china like hong kong did and use the one country two system thing, that way they still have everything they did including a government, and we're still one nation.  

[wiim]

Yeah, Sinification is the way of the future! razz

I'm somewhat patriotic too due to family teaching and influence...Maybe...More for Hong Kong than China though.  

[yalie5]

wiim

yalie5

tamcharles

cold_blooded_chick

i'm from mainland china, and i totally support whatever china does, although it may not do the right things all the time, i still side with the chinese government.

That's some A-grade critical thinking for ya... way to run with the crowd... rolleyes

er... yeah... really i think that china should let go and let the people of taiwan do what they want... they've got legs... let them use 'em.

I think if China let's Taiwan become fully independent, then China will lose face...Again. A long ago China lost its northern lands to barbarians and Manchus. They lost Korean tributary links because of Japan. They lost Hong Kong to the British. And they're losing Taiwan because Taiwan had changed after it was colonized by the Japanese.

Hmmm... lemme think... okay... China's lost lands before as you have pointed out, but country loses territories all the time and gain them back. It's like a current. It's constant... and it's repetetive. China may lose Taiwan but eventually Taiwan will once again be part of China again... it's only a matter of time... And as for Taiwam changing after being colonized by the Japanese... Well change is constant too, Taiwan is evovling so to speak and if China doesn't let Taiwan grow then it will cause trouble.  

[cold_blooded_chick]

oo, this discussion is so sophisticated, i'm actually reading intelligent converstaion on gaia!  

[Darkaznstargoddess]

Most people I talk to from Taiwan don't accept being called chinese instead Taiwanese. Tensions seem to be growing since

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National People's Congress in Beijing approved a law on March 14 calling for the use of "nonpeaceful means" to halt any Taiwanese attempt to declare independence from the mainland.

I'm sure China would have a harder time invading Taiwan since Taiwan has so many allies and they have a better knowleage of the land. I would preffer Tibet being freed.  

[tamcharles]

Darkaznstargoddess

Most people I talk to from Taiwan don't accept being called chinese instead Taiwanese. Tensions seem to be growing since

Quote:

National People's Congress in Beijing approved a law on March 14 calling for the use of "nonpeaceful means" to halt any Taiwanese attempt to declare independence from the mainland.

I'm sure China would have a harder time invading Taiwan since Taiwan has so many allies and they have a better knowleage of the land. I would preffer Tibet being freed.

Personally my interpretation of the new law is "all bark and no bite." I seriously doubt China would jeopordize their booming economy with possible sanctions (the major ones being the European Union and the US) should they actually choose to apply it.

Another reason that I think they're just showing their teeth is that I don't think they would risk their '08 Olympics. Recall the 1980 Moscow Olympics and the 1936 Berlin Olympics. There are billions of dollars and sponsorships involved and China has been waiting for just this opportunity to prove itself internationally.

Mind you, this is just IMHO. biggrin