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 Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:26 pm
Peasant How do you prove that the green I see is the same green you see? You cannot prove that your perception of green is the same as someone elses since everyones perception of reality evolves completely differently from birth based around environmental and biological variables, however the object only ever is one colour, it's merely differing views and aesthetic sensitivity
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:26 pm
Peasant How do you prove that the green I see is the same green you see?
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:31 pm
Quote: what is the meaning of life? Relative to the person, some believe that the meaning of life is to do good and suck up to a deity to get some loving in the next life, others believe it is to reproduce to further the evolution of the human race. There is no definite answer to the question and there never ever will be Quote: Also... Our universe is expanding. Yes, the entire universe. So I ask you... what's it expanding into? There is no proof that the universe is expanding, things are just moving in such a way that it would make it seem like it is expanding and at the moment with the current evidence offered to us, that seems like the best possible explenation. But to answer your question there are many theories, but no real evidence to back up any of them, they are merely speculations
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:33 pm
You are like. . hardcore. . =o
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:35 pm
Xyloid This question, well more of a statement, was brought up in a book I read.
Lets say, that since the MOMENT you were born, everyone lied to you. Your mother, your father, your best friend in kindergarden. EVERYONE. They all lied about everything they said. If that happened, wouldn't the lie of your life become the reality of your life?
Yeah, think on that one. But, oh nurse with a club, they did. Your parents tell you where babies come from? Not likely, usually you find that out yourself before they quit lying about it to you. So, does that make you trust them less? Most kids in kindergarden lie... "No, I didn't touch it!" LOL So, you learn to lie. Of course, this isn't lying about everything, but it does make for a youth riddled with lies. And one hopes, you learned a little about sifting the lies from the truth, and based your life on as much truth as you could bare. And learned when to lie and when to tell the truth.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:37 pm
I have often wondere verry deeply about How complex us Humans are. I would stare at my fingers and move them as if it was nothing. But In reality It takes alot for your fingers to move. o.o I guess thats a deep though.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:38 pm
Cornetto1 Peasant How do you prove that the green I see is the same green you see? You cannot prove that your perception of green is the same as someone elses since everyones perception of reality evolves completely differently from birth based around environmental and biological variables, however the object only ever is one colour, it's merely differing views and aesthetic sensitivity Actually, there are "cones" in the eye, cones for various colors. If you have faulty cones for certain colors, or no cones for them at all, then you are either seeing them differently or not seeing those colors at all. Science has made a study of color vision in animals as well as humans to come to this conclusion. That still begs the question if the exact shade seen by one person is the same as that seen by another.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:39 pm
Pelvic Thrust Fairy You are like. . hardcore. . =o
VICTORY DANCE I mean, I spotted gramatical inconsistancies in your wordses, yet I are inclined to agree with you
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:41 pm
MustangDragon Cornetto1 Peasant How do you prove that the green I see is the same green you see? You cannot prove that your perception of green is the same as someone elses since everyones perception of reality evolves completely differently from birth based around environmental and biological variables, however the object only ever is one colour, it's merely differing views and aesthetic sensitivity Actually, there are "cones" in the eye, cones for various colors. If you have faulty cones for certain colors, or no cones for them at all, then you are either seeing them differently or not seeing those colors at all. Science has made a study of color vision in animals as well as humans to come to this conclusion. That still begs the question if the exact shade seen by one person is the same as that seen by another. Exactly my point, there is no question that perceptions of shades differ between individuals. It's inevitable that the whole spectrum of our senses are experienced in entirely unique ways.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:44 pm
Cornetto1 Pelvic Thrust Fairy You are like. . hardcore. . =o
VICTORY DANCE I mean, I spotted gramatical inconsistancies in your wordses, yet I are inclined to agree with you
Oi? DDDDDDDD=
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:51 pm
Cornetto1 Xyloid This question, well more of a statement, was brought up in a book I read.
Lets say, that since the MOMENT you were born, everyone lied to you. Your mother, your father, your best friend in kindergarden. EVERYONE. They all lied about everything they said. If that happened, wouldn't the lie of your life become the reality of your life?
Yeah, think on that one. Depends whether or not the lies were contradictory and whether or not you lie to yourself. Although, the first thing that comes to my mind is religion, children are spoonfed religion as fact, children from birth upto about 5-6 are programmed to believe things without question, when religion is engrained into their minds at such a young age as pure fact, which is not only morally wrong but also somewhat sick and inhumane, what impact would that have on their progressive understanding of reality? Images of fire and torture for all eternity at such a young age if you do something wrong can be psychologically scarring. If children are brought up by parents who teach them to believe 100% in a god in the sky that loves them, then how will they feel when either they give in to reason and realise that is obviously a load of bullshit, and their faith is shattered, or even worse, what will happen if they actually go on to take these stories as fact far into their adolescence and beyond? There is nothing worse than a grown adult believing absolutely blindly in a pixie in the sky, who condemns everyone who doesn't believe in his certain brand of skygod to eternal damnation and who incecently bombards the reasonable members of society with their monotonic ancient fairy tales designed to control, manipulate and seperate. Religion causes and actively breeds ignorance and incredibly abrasive confrontation, isolation and conflict. oops, I ranted ._. Yeah, you did. There are, believe it or not, people who believe in a benevalent god, one who cares about humans and their souls. (Hard to believe for me, given all the incredible suffering of innocents all over the world.) Anyway, they truly believe this, and do not believe in an angry god who punishes people, nor in a devil. They teach their children this (The Quakers come to mind), and are peace loving people. And most of their children turn out this way. There are all kinds of religions. The most dangerous ones seem to be the ones that believe on one god, and a jealous god at that (my way or the highway to hell). That would be most of Christendom, and probably all of Judism and all of Islam. Religions like Buddhism do not have a one god approach to spirituality, and do not espouse violence either. And, of course, there are many smaller religions among the many small populations of the world... i.e. Native Americans, various South American tribes, and so forth. So, let's not generalize about religion. Myself, I was raised Christian (Presbyterian), and could not throw it off till my mid-20s (I'm considerably older than that now). I have no real religion now, but I do keep a statue of Kwan Lin, a Bhudhist goddess of, among other things, compassion. She carries a jar in one hand, a jar which contains the tears of mankind to which she offers succor. The other hand is raised in a blessing. Other than this statue, which comforts me sometimes, my "god" is the outdoors. I don't worship anything, I just soak in nature, trees, grass, the sky, the weather no matter how fierce, and so forth. All around us is the miracle of a living planet, which you can view as a gift or as a mysterious phenomenon. I view it as both.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:57 pm
MustangDragon Cornetto1 Xyloid This question, well more of a statement, was brought up in a book I read.
Lets say, that since the MOMENT you were born, everyone lied to you. Your mother, your father, your best friend in kindergarden. EVERYONE. They all lied about everything they said. If that happened, wouldn't the lie of your life become the reality of your life?
Yeah, think on that one. Depends whether or not the lies were contradictory and whether or not you lie to yourself. Although, the first thing that comes to my mind is religion, children are spoonfed religion as fact, children from birth upto about 5-6 are programmed to believe things without question, when religion is engrained into their minds at such a young age as pure fact, which is not only morally wrong but also somewhat sick and inhumane, what impact would that have on their progressive understanding of reality? Images of fire and torture for all eternity at such a young age if you do something wrong can be psychologically scarring. If children are brought up by parents who teach them to believe 100% in a god in the sky that loves them, then how will they feel when either they give in to reason and realise that is obviously a load of bullshit, and their faith is shattered, or even worse, what will happen if they actually go on to take these stories as fact far into their adolescence and beyond? There is nothing worse than a grown adult believing absolutely blindly in a pixie in the sky, who condemns everyone who doesn't believe in his certain brand of skygod to eternal damnation and who incecently bombards the reasonable members of society with their monotonic ancient fairy tales designed to control, manipulate and seperate. Religion causes and actively breeds ignorance and incredibly abrasive confrontation, isolation and conflict. oops, I ranted ._. Yeah, you did. There are, believe it or not, people who believe in a benevalent god, one who cares about humans and their souls. (Hard to believe for me, given all the incredible suffering of innocents all over the world.) Anyway, they truly believe this, and do not believe in an angry god who punishes people, nor in a devil. They teach their children this (The Quakers come to mind), and are peace loving people. And most of their children turn out this way. There are all kinds of religions. The most dangerous ones seem to be the ones that believe on one god, and a jealous god at that (my way or the highway to hell). That would be most of Christendom, and probably all of Judism and all of Islam. Religions like Buddhism do not have a one god approach to spirituality, and do not espouse violence either. And, of course, there are many smaller religions among the many small populations of the world... i.e. Native Americans, various South American tribes, and so forth. So, let's not generalize about religion. Myself, I was raised Christian (Presbyterian), and could not throw it off till my mid-20s (I'm considerably older than that now). I have no real religion now, but I do keep a statue of Kwan Lin, a Bhudhist goddess of, among other things, compassion. She carries a jar in one hand, a jar which contains the tears of mankind to which she offers succor. The other hand is raised in a blessing. Other than this statue, which comforts me sometimes, my "god" is the outdoors. I don't worship anything, I just soak in nature, trees, grass, the sky, the weather no matter how fierce, and so forth. All around us is the miracle of a living planet, which you can view as a gift or as a mysterious phenomenon. I view it as both. Buddhism isn't technically a religion, it talks about religion, but it isn't one. Can't say I've had much experience with american tribes and their customs, but restricting yourself to the teachings of a holy book is a very backwards way of living, and I do believe there is a buddhist story about that, something to do with the leader guy falling into a river and drowning, but the other people didn't know what to do because it wasn't in the book, I dunno, can't remember it too well. The nature of religion belittles the beauty of nature, in my opinion, sucks the mystery right out of everything. I guess we could call you a naturist wink hehe
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:04 pm
Cornetto1 Buddhism isn't technically a religion, it talks about religion, but it isn't one. Can't say I've had much experience with american tribes and their customs, but restricting yourself to the teachings of a holy book is a very backwards way of living, and I do believe there is a buddhist story about that, something to do with the leader guy falling into a river and drowning, but the other people didn't know what to do because it wasn't in the book, I dunno, can't remember it too well. The nature of religion belittles the beauty of nature, in my opinion, sucks the mystery right out of everything. I guess we could call you a naturist wink hehe Well, if you have a book, the interpretation of the book is the important thing. I know as I am a lesbian, and some Christians accept me as a normal variation of a human, while others would like to burn me at the stake. eek I myself studied both Old and New Testament of the Bible in college. We approached it as history, and placed the various documents from which it was constructed in their proper perspective. Very interesting. I don't know about Budhism not being a religion... they pray, they have scriptures (the story of Budha), and the trappings and rituals of a religion, whether they or you consider them to be one or not. I know some Budhists and they have no (other) religion. But be that as it may, I don't like to see religion in the broadest sense smacked on the head for being responsible for the evils of the world. Just *some* religions. A naturist? Does that mean I have to run around buck nekkid? (doe nekkid in my case) heh
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:08 pm
Cornetto
I admire the way you think. cool
Buddhist is not a religion? I'm new to that idea...
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:13 pm
[adenosine triphosphate] Cornetto
I admire the way you think. cool
Buddhist is not a religion? I'm new to that idea... Wikipedia: "Buddhism is a dharmic, non-theistic religion and a philosophy.[1] Buddhism is also known as Buddha Dharma or Dhamma, which means the "teachings of the Awakened One" in Sanskrit and Pali, languages of ancient Buddhist texts. Buddhism was founded around the fifth century BCE by Siddhartha Gautama, hereafter referred to as "the Buddha"." Non-theistic. Interesting concept... a religion with no god. I love it. (If it's me you were refering to, thanks! If not, congrats to them.)
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