Circumcision

[Laprasite]

Baron von Turkeypants

Soy un hombre muy honrado,
que me gusta lo mejor

But wait, we must protect all cultural practices no matter what they are!

Who's to say the South American cannibals shouldn't be allowed to keep their lifestyle? It's all they know!


/sarcasm

Las mujeres no me faltan,
ni el dinero ni el amor

I was actually thinking of that comparison while I was writing my reply. xD  

[caustic 0_0]

@the note in the first post- No, it is not inappropriate. Carry on!


@Spastic- If you want to post a link, post a warning too. xD


I always thought there could be some medical benefits as well, or at least that people used to assume there were. But it's obviously not something that is necessary though.
Are there physical problems it can cause? :0  

[JakRandom]

I can't honestly say that I or anyone I know would honestly claim that a circumcision is a substitute for condoms, but thats not the claim I'm making. The statement "no medical advantage" is directly contradicted by the fact that being circumcised can lower your risk of HIV infection. As far as the 'human rights' issue is concerned, fallowing the path of logic you lay out would make vaccinations, bed-times and diapers human rights violations.

It seams to me that again, offensive statements are being made without putting much thought into them. Other than being spelled the same way, male and female circumcisions are in no way related. The male circumcision involves removing the foreskin from the p***s in a way that allows one to experience a normal and healthy life. The female circumcision is (usually) a clitoridectomy which either removes or damages the clitoris in such a way that a normal and healthy experience is unattainable.  

[Laprasite]

caustic 0_0

@the note in the first post- No, it is not inappropriate. Carry on!


@Spastic- If you want to post a link, post a warning too. xD


I always thought there could be some medical benefits as well, or at least that people used to assume there were. But it's obviously not something that is necessary though.
Are there physical problems it can cause? :0

Oh, good. whee

Well, here's the warning: PICTURES OF PENISES. (Non pornographic of course.) Not on the front page though.
http://www.circumstitions.com/index.html

Look around, lots of info and links. And as for your question, that's covered on that website.  

[JakRandom]

Baron von Turkeypants

Soy un hombre muy honrado,
que me gusta lo mejor

But wait, we must protect all cultural practices no matter what they are!

Who's to say the South American cannibals shouldn't be allowed to keep their lifestyle? It's all they know!


/sarcasm

Las mujeres no me faltan,
ni el dinero ni el amor

Sure, some practices are less than appealing to a majority of the world and some, like cannibalism, are downright disturbing, but who am I to intervene? Right?

Wrong. I think there must be some recognition of the difference between the murder of a human being, and a non life threatening procedure like a circumcision.  

[Laprasite]

JakRandom

Baron von Turkeypants

Soy un hombre muy honrado,
que me gusta lo mejor

But wait, we must protect all cultural practices no matter what they are!

Who's to say the South American cannibals shouldn't be allowed to keep their lifestyle? It's all they know!


/sarcasm

Las mujeres no me faltan,
ni el dinero ni el amor

Sure, some practices are less than appealing to a majority of the world and some, like cannibalism, are downright disturbing, but who am I to intervene? Right?

Wrong. I think there must be some recognition of the difference between the murder of a human being, and a non life threatening procedure like a circumcision.

Generally non life threatening. But yeah, I know, most procedures are. But I still think circumcisions should be elective. Not done on infants. That was my point about a human rights issue before.  

[Baron von Turkeypants]

Soy un hombre muy honrado,
que me gusta lo mejor

While we're at it, let's genetically engineer ourselves to add wings and a second stomach. Hey, what the hell does evolution know, it gave guys some extra stuff they don't need. amirite!?


EDIT: Since when is an artificial p***s a normal lifestyle?

Las mujeres no me faltan,
ni el dinero ni el amor

 

[Laprasite]

Baron von Turkeypants

Soy un hombre muy honrado,
que me gusta lo mejor

While we're at it, let's genetically engineer ourselves to add wings and a second stomach. Hey, what the hell does evolution know, it gave guys some extra stuff they don't need. amirite!?


EDIT: Since when is an artificial p***s a normal lifestyle?

Las mujeres no me faltan,
ni el dinero ni el amor

Friction burns. Owwie. I can't imagine.  

[JakRandom]

Living is being in a generally non life threatening state. Again, I don't see how you can say that circumcisions are wrong, but not also say that vaccinations, and other non-elective procedures regularly preformed on infants, are as well.

"EDIT: Since when is an artificial p***s a normal lifestyle?"

What conversation have you been listening to?  

[ElenaMason]

man just the word makes me shutter. i honestly don't have much against it and it was practiced in biblical terms....but to me its just like baptism...


why force it on the baby and wait to until they're old enough to decide for themself? its like piercing a babies ears just so the kid can look more "fashionable". i think its ABSURD to force something in a child until they're old enough to make the decision.

also even if babies can't remember the pain, they're still experiencing the pain right then and there when the procedure is being done right? i hate putting anything in pain and i would definitely not do that to my child.

also if i remember correctly, my human sexuality teacher said for most guys getting circumcised actually cuts down the sexual arousal on the p***s when the foreskin is cut off.

does that still hold true? i mean im not a guy obviously so i wouldn't know.

but god...it just reminds me of what they do in africa....i think its africa....where they take baby girls and sew the genitalia close with a needle and thread. now THATS barbaic in my opinion. no sedatives, no nothing to take the pain away while they're doing the procedure. at least we have antiseptics here but jesus christ.....sometimes practices like this that cause great pain to a child shouldn't be done at all until they are old enough to decide for themself.  

[Baron von Turkeypants]

JakRandom

Living is being in a generally non life threatening state. Again, I don't see how you can say that circumcisions are wrong, but not also say that vaccinations, and other non-elective procedures regularly preformed on infants, are as well.

"EDIT: Since when is an artificial p***s a normal lifestyle?"

What conversation have you been listening to?

Soy un hombre muy honrado,
que me gusta lo mejor

The one where you pointed out, quite condescendingly, that having a circumcised p***s means having a "normal" lifestyle. I fail to see how changing human anatomy is normal.


EDIT:

Quote:

also if i remember correctly, my human sexuality teacher said for most guys getting circumcised actually cuts down the sexual arousal on the p***s when the foreskin is cut off.

Yeah, since it's easier to get stimulated, it gets used to arousal, making it harder to get aroused later on.

Las mujeres no me faltan,
ni el dinero ni el amor

 

[Laprasite]

JakRandom

Living is being in a generally non life threatening state. Again, I don't see how you can say that circumcisions are wrong, but not also say that vaccinations, and other non-elective procedures regularly preformed on infants, are as well.

"EDIT: Since when is an artificial p***s a normal lifestyle?"

What conversation have you been listening to?

I knew you were going to counter that. I was just stating it. I already acknowledged it.

Circumcisions are not vital. You vaccinate a baby because like elderly people, they are more susceptible to contracting the flu and other viruses and having complications from it.

SaintChaos: It does cut down on arousal, because after years of fabric rubbing against the exposed glans, the skin thickens and isn't as sensitive. The foreskin also aids in natural lubrication.

I hope at least someone has looked at the website I linked to.  

[JakRandom]

Is my pretension annoying you? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to get all irritated when people started making claims about how my entire family is backwards and barbaric. Also, let me thank you for letting me know that I have a fake p***s, here I was thinking I'd only had the foreskin removed. The more you know, right?

Being circumcised is a part of my cultural identity. The value I place on it far out ways the very minuscule risks involved in having the procedure done. Not everyone agrees with this point of view, thats fine, I can deal with that. However, making such blatantly ignorant claims like 'it has no medical purpose' or claiming that is comparable to female genital mutilation is just down right wrong.  

[Cirosan]

I'll grant you that it does have one medical advantage, but honestly, if it was between having my genitals mutilated and significantly cutting down the risk of a fatal disease, I would rather keep my genitals healthy. However, that's a matter of opinion.

I apologize if I offended your cultural identity; I may have lost my head a bit last post, and I'll concede that this is a sensitive topic for me. However, performing an elective procedure on someone so young they are clinically unaware of their actions breaches several human rights. If you feel it necessary to have the procedure, please feel free to do so once you have the ability to. However, forcing it on a newborn child is extremely wrong.  

[Baron von Turkeypants]

JakRandom

Is my pretension annoying you? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to get all irritated when people started making claims about how my entire family is backwards and barbaric. Also, let me thank you for letting me know that I have a fake p***s, here I was thinking I'd only had the foreskin removed. The more you know, right?

Being circumcised is a part of my cultural identity. The value I place on it far out ways the very minuscule risks involved in having the procedure done. Not everyone agrees with this point of view, thats fine, I can deal with that. However, making such blatantly ignorant claims like 'it has no medical purpose' or claiming that is comparable to female genital mutilation is just down right wrong.

Ah yes, so the natural retort of a non-barbaric is, of course, to call his accusers barbaric too rolleyes
Thanks for letting me know my entire lifestyle isn't normal. But hey,