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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:52 am
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Fads are stupid things people do for the sake of entertainment. Goldfish swallowing. Bell-bottoms. Lava lamps. Stamp collecting. Chia pets. Those are fads. Not a system of beliefs. Or lack thereof, to be precise. People that claim atheism to be rebellious sicken me. I'm atheistic because I don't believe that an all-powerful being could not be corrupt. that he loves us all equally and will take us into heaven when we die? Bullshit. If he loved us all so damn equally, why do some people go to hell when they die? He must not love them as much. therefore, by that argument alone, how can anyone be sure that he likes anyone at all? maybe we're just some grand experiment, to see what happens. We probably screwed up pretty bad. But I can't see that happening. So I am atheistic. Sure, I have occultist tendencies, but doesn't everyone...? ninja Anyway... Teenagers. I never had hormonal rage. Seriously. Not once. I really can't stand teenagers. They're >mostly< stupid. Note my use of the word mostly. Anyway. There are a few exceptional cases, in both directions. There are some very, very intelligent teens. Then again, there are some very, very dense ones running about. And the worst part? They're procreating.
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:31 pm
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:01 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:12 pm
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:09 pm
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:10 pm
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Even if people today, some of them, treat being atheist as a fad, that still does not make it so. It just means there are a growing number of people choosing a label without understanding the meaning of it.
True atheists did not become atheist by following some "cool fad" because they understand the consequences of choosing to have a lack of beliefs as far as society and relationships are concerned. Now as for your questions:
Has there been a new wave of athiests these past few years?
I do believe as religion has been stamped out of certain areas where it had complete control, it has opened people up to be able to question things like they have never been able to do before which have led people to come to atheistic conclusions. I have no numbers or stats to back up there being a rising number of atheist. I know that where I live, atheists are rare where-as monotheistic religions hold sway over what seems to be the majority of the people around me.
Has current history spurred people into losing faith?
I do not really feel current history has anything to do with people losing faith. However access to a better understanding of history makes it easier for people to understand religion and therefore lose faith in it.
Did The God Delusion play as big a part in new atheism as believed?
I would say no. Considering that the book is not exactly easy to read, and requires at least a College Reading level to comprehend it, and the current mainstream media that is popular among younger audiences, I would have to say that a bulk of the population lacks the ability to comprehend Dawkin's message in his book....and in that way you cannot attribute his book to a "new atheism". I'm sorry, most people 17 and below probably cannot really understand the book, but this somewhat condescending view piggybacks on a discussion of mainstream media and rabid fans from another forum which shapes my perception of the main population and their ability to read and think deeply.
And finally, is today's atheist a product of counterculture?
Well let me show you what definition I go by: Counterculture: the culture and lifestyle of those people, esp. among the young, who reject or oppose the dominant values and behavior of society. Counterculture requires something to be exclusive within it's members. You don't have some who are part of it as a counterculture and some who are not. Atheism, which has been around for ages (but suppressed for a long time) has members who treat it like a counter-culture, and other truer members who fully understand why they are what they say they are, and it is not to oppose dominant values and behavior, because they tend to also value similar values and behavior that Christianity and other monotheism promote, due to it simply sociologically making sense.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:04 am
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:59 pm
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:46 pm
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:40 am
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Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:30 am
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Seeing how most of the people on Gaia are teenagers.... and seeing as we have a very large atheist population... I'd say that there are a fair lot more atheist teenagers nowadays than when our parents were children. Or at least, teenagers nowadays can be OPEN and HONEST about their religious convictions/lack thereof.
We now have a youth culture that allows, even encourages, free speech and expression over the internet. Through this medium, teenagers can "come out": about their atheism, being gay, whatever-- rejecting the ideals of older times.
That said, I am sure that a lot of them are just doing it because they think it's cool to rebel, or get attention.
But those people shouldn't undermine those young people who actually have given a lot of thought to the matter and are looking for a community in which to express their convictions. I became an atheist at age 13, based on persoanl reflection, and I only realized two years later how much Atheist culture there is on the internet! And certainly I don't know many atheist teenagers at my school.
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:55 pm
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1 - Has there been a new wave of atheists these past few years?
I just became Atheist after several years of contemplating religion so I wouldn't know.
2 - Has current history spurred people into losing faith?
This entire conflict between the Christian West and Islamic East is utterly ridiculous, and shows how ridiculous both religions are. This could have pushed some people on the fence into Atheism, but overall no.
3 - Did The God Delusion play as big a part in new atheism as believed?
What is going on with The God Delusion? So it's a very popular Atheist book. I think this doesn't play a big part in "new" Atheism, but simply shows that Atheists are becoming more outspoken. Atheists are not becoming outspoken because there are more people becoming Atheist but because we've seen our country get hijacked by the religious majority and are fed up with it.
4 - And finally, is today's atheist a product of counterculture?
I don't think so, I think Atheists are becoming more outspoken because they are tired of the Christian majority taking center stage and claiming the US is a Christian nation. As far as teenagers are concerned I believe that religion plays too much of a roll in most people's lives for them to take on the title "Atheist" frivolously. It is often done only after soulful reflection where one questions the very essence of God, the afterlife, meaning, morals, truth vs. comfort, etc. Perhaps I'm wrong but I would think the people that would join the Atheist crowd to piss their parents off are rare.
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:46 pm
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No, I don't see any reason to think it's a fad, exactly. It's just that atheists are feeling more of a need to be outspoken about it, perhaps from the desire to be "out" and open about it in the interests of cultural honesty, or perhaps in self-defense in the face of all the loud fundamentalism we've been seeing an awful lot of, especially in the last several years. Bush not only called atheists' patriotism into question, but he also threatened our very rights to citizenship on the basis of nothing more than brute discrimination and a flagrant disregard for the First Amendment. I think that shocked a lot of atheists out to demonstrate that not only are we here and not going away anytime soon, but that we exist in sufficient numbers to taken seriously by those who would otherwise deny that we even exist at all. (Yes, there are those who do. That whole "no atheists in foxholes" crowd that's totally in denial.)
That a person could become an atheist at the age of 13 is not that surprising to me. Kids often question the existence of Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy at somewhat earlier ages, in spite of how often their parents may make mention of them and do little things here and there to encourage belief in them. Once a kid sees that those entities are myths, it's not that much of a leap to finish them off with God. It was happening around the turn of the 20th century, all through it, and the fact that it's still going on is only to be expected, I think.
But, it is worth noting that more and more public and lingering communication between people and groups of people are going on today than ever before in such a way that makes it possible for others to see and respond to it. Not such things as evanescent as telephone calls or conversations, and not as private as letters, but out there, broadcast to larger segments of the population than pamphleteering can so cost-effectively reach, written and staying put for sufficient time to ensure a higher readership. This is, of course, the internet, and it makes it possible for a heightened social awareness and a more sensitive finger on the pulse of humanity. A significant number of those involved in these online discussions are teenagers and the younger adults. And more than that, it is youth which possesses a fire that can burn less brightly as people age and mellow (or in such people who do mellow as they age). So, all these things come together to make atheists look more numerous and younger in today's society. In truth, I'm not convinced that the percentage of the population of unbelievers has increased so very much, or that the demographics have much been altered. But, methods of talking about it have.
Teenagers do rebel. It's kind of what those years are all about, really. Expressing one's independence and autonomy in preparation for joining the adult world. But, people change at all ages, when you look at it. Fundamentalist missionaries and adherents have been known to escape from the grip of their churches and become atheists themselves when they examine the beliefs they had once held in the light of day, outside their churches' doors, influences and teachings. Fundamentalists are out there gathering more and more followers the more aggressively they pursue their 'ministries" and, perhaps commensurately, more and more people are becoming disturbed by it all and leaving the "flock," and they're doing so in such numbers that there is an increasing need for deprogrammers to help them recover from it. Well, for the more strident sects, it should be noted. But those who do leave don't necessarily become atheists. A fair number do, but some simply join much more moderate or even liberal denominations in the aftermath.
People are paying more attention to it now, I think, because we hear about it more. Books, documentaries, websites: they've all done their part, but this is, after all, the Age of Information. People are driven to wonder and to know. It's a part of what makes us human. And with knowledge, as always, there are more questions. Questions can make theists of most stripes uncomfortable. So, the progression seems quite natural to me.
If it means there really are more atheists out there, then I'd say that's pretty telling. And not all trends are fads. Pet Rock? Fad. Giving serious thought to personal beliefs or lack thereof? Well, that, I'd simply call progress.
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Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:16 am
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I am a teenager, and I'm also the type that gets disgusted/pissed off by teenagers.
My 18-year-old brother (going to college) and my mother have caught me, more than once, saying "Ugh teenagers are so immature." And then they laugh and say, "Well you're a teenager, too."
The thing is, I'm not your average, "I wanna be cool", texting 24/7, going on facebook another 25/7, "I love Justin Timberlake" teengaer. (I don't have texting service in my cell, I don't have facebook razz , I hate Justin Timberlake)
So when these kids start being stupid, taking one thing after another to be their fads, and now even one of my treasured characteristic as a person, I am seriously pissed. You can't just take something that's specific to a group of people, be it race, gender, sexual orientation, or religion, and make it yours to serve another purpose.
All they ever do is b***h and moan about how their parents don't care enough for them, and how they'd hate their parents and religion because of that. And how their parents aren't giving them enough freedom.
Yeah, and they never knew that at the other side of the world, in a continent called "Africa", the notion of "freedom" doesn't even exist.
Like, seriously, grow up.
oops caught myself saying that again. See? I'm just not a normal teenager. I did a brain test once and got 43 as my mental age. =_______=
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