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 Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:50 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo Teh Pure AmErIcAnSyKo Teh Pure shampoo luver #1 WARNING-THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION!!!
One question...What made the Universe. The only logical answer would be a higher power or Supreme Being. Everything has a begginning. The beggining of all life and what we have came to know as humanity was made by a Supreme Being. Many people believe that everything comes from something, but when they are asked what started the universe, they cannot answer without including religion. A/The God did indeed start the Universe and all of humanity. Then as things gradually produced, planets were formed, things grew, and life became on Earth. A/The God created all of life. There is no other explanation. Now, do not think I do not believe in Evolution, 'cause anyone who doesn't do not deserve any credibility. Evolution is happening right now. People die and people are born. Nothing else to it. So, if you say you are an Athiest and do not believe in a God, think about who brought you here. You may say, "It was my parents", well who brought them. It all goes back to the begginning of time. And that was created by none other than A/The God.
((Yes I did repost this in another forum, but it's because it is perfect for both.))
This was how I thought for the longest time. Everything you said in this post is what I had always believed. But now I request that you take a look at it the way I did.
You say that there is a supreme being, a God, that created the universe and all things in it, yes? That is understandable. But then you have to think, if a God created the universe and all things in it, who created that God? What gave that supreme being the power to do all the things he/she/it is fabled to do? Was this supreme being simply there before everything else? Was it simply there for all of eternity? Did it create itself?
And if you have the power to say that this supreme being was simply there for all eternity before all eternity, who are we to say that the universe wasn't simply there? If this supreme being created itself from nothing, who are we to say that the universe didn't simply create itself from nothing?
Ponder it that way.
And holy hell, after I typed all this out I went down to the bottom of the 'Post a Reply' page and saw that Syko said pretty much the same thing in fewer words. neutral
Dammit, Kenny. Hahaha. Ily. 4laugh
But really. I can understand people wanting to stick to their religion and what they've been taught, but they have to think about it logically.
I believe it was in "The Most Dangerous Game" that it was stated that logic and reason are what make humans the greatest of all animals. If humans stop using their logic then we will start to see evolution firsthand as we turn back into monkeys and apes. =/ That is absolutely true. Hardcore christians like these two fella's are hindering the progress of man-kind, by denying science and sticking to their belief's that God is the reason for everything and by trying to find a way to progress, is going against what god wants. For example; Stem cell research. People say it's wrong to play "God", even if it could save thousands of people with muscular diseases live's.
It's saddening.
I mean, I can understand people saying it's wrong to play God because it can cause some people to get too power hungry, and there will always be that one guy who goes crazy and actually believes himself to be a God. But honestly. In a case like stem cell research, when people say it's ethically or morally wrong or "against God", it's like they're trying to say that God wants thousands of people to die for no reason. And if that's what they believe, that's really pathetic. =/
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:53 pm
Irish_boy132 And about the supream being, did you ever think that there could be other universes they could come from?
Gods come from different universes. Sure. Why not?
The same prospect applies.
Where did those universes come from? Yet more universes? It's like when Spongebob asked the mailman who delivered his mail, and who delivered that person's mail. Is there a never-ending line of universes constantly spawning new universes? Where do they all come from? This still doesn't explain where the God(s) come from.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:14 pm
I was just meaning the god(s) of our universe. And if you think that I'm against things like stem cell reaserch, you got another thing comming. I not a Cristian extremist who belive that everything were doing today is against God's law. I am for anything that would help save lives.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:43 pm
Theology and science and evolution together are things that human beings don't have the ability to comprehend. We're taught all three things at once (Christians, at least) and they don't exactly correspond with each other. (There are some cases when they do correspond, for example, scientists believe that snakes once had legs, and so says the Bible).
I don't know very much about this, I'm just taking that from what little logic I can make. xD
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:19 pm
Irish_boy132 AmErIcAnSyKo Irish_boy132 Ok. Even if all you say is true, you don't need to attack other people's religon. I can tell your a atheist, the way you act says it all. My brother is an athiest, yet he doesn't attack other people and their belifes. And how can you prove there is no supream being that created everything. You can't know that because there have never been any fact that proves that there is no supream being, and there is no way to prove that. And if heven and hell don't exist, how come people who've died and come back to life been able to decribe both, and they were legaly dead. Lol. I'm not atheist. I'm in search of the truth. You would be correct though, in the assumption that I am leaning toward atheism with every sentence I read in this forum, which brings me to believe more and more that christians are in denial. Of course, that's just my opinion, and not everyone is part of that stereotype.
The point of an arguement is to state your opinion and argue your points against others with opposing views. If that's called "attacking", then I sure as hell do a lot of it in the "debate" forum.
People die and describe heaven and hell, and you believe it? That's hilarious.
I could die and tell you a saw a "flying spaghetti monster", and you would believe that, wouldn't you? You couldn't disprove it, you couldn't tell me I was lying, you know why? because it's the same exact principle as God, heaven and hell. No, I would not belive if someone died and came back and said that they saw a flying spagetti moster.And expalin this. Satainist's don't read the bible properly, they read it back to front, bacwards, exactly. Not reading words corecty, just in revers order, but every letter backwards. So how would they know what hell looks like and describe it just about what it says in the Bible. And about the supream being, did you ever think that there could be other universes they could come from? Why not? You can't prove or disprove it. You can't say I didn't see a flying spaghetti monster just like you can't prove or disprove God. You could say "oh, a flying spaghetti monster just sounds dumb", but how do you think I feel when someone tells me they believe in a supernatural, omnipotent, immortal, invincible, timeless being that created everyone and everything in the universe?
I think it's pretty ********' dumb.
EVERYONE knows what hell looks like. It's in the media today, and everyone in the world describes hell as either a lake of fire, burning caverns or eternal darkness. You'd have to live under a ******** rock to be ignorant to what HELL is supposedly like.
And what the hell does Satanism have to do with this arguement, anyways??? Are you so lost for words that you're trying to bring up anything and everything you possibly can, now??
No. I havent' thought about that, and quite frankly, I have no idea why anyone would. neutral Would you mind possibly elaborating on it?
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:27 am
What do Satanists have to do with this? Well, they are the opposits of Cristians, they rever Satin himself. They read the bible back to front, so how would they know exactly what hell looks like. Even Cristians don't know what Heaven exacly looks like, it doesn't fully describe it in the bible. Yet many people describe the interior of heaven, and most of them are nearly the same description. And about God(s) coming from another universe, there could be other universes, alternate universes. And from theses univereses, God(s) can come from them. And a "supernatural, omnipotent, immortal, invincible, timeless being that created everyone and everything in the universe" makes a lot more sence than a flying spagetti monster. Spagetti is an inaimate object, a lifeless object, nothing could bring it to life.
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:17 am
Irish_boy132 What do Satanists have to do with this? Well, they are the opposits of Cristians, they rever Satin himself. They read the bible back to front, so how would they know exactly what hell looks like. Even Cristians don't know what Heaven exacly looks like, it doesn't fully describe it in the bible. Yet many people describe the interior of heaven, and most of them are nearly the same description. And about God(s) coming from another universe, there could be other universes, alternate universes. And from theses univereses, God(s) can come from them. And a "supernatural, omnipotent, immortal, invincible, timeless being that created everyone and everything in the universe" makes a lot more sence than a flying spagetti monster. Spagetti is an inaimate object, a lifeless object, nothing could bring it to life. First of all, Satanism is NOT the opposite of Christian. I suggest you read up on it;
"Most religious historians, mainline Christians, liberal Christians, etc., view Satanism as Satanists themselves do: as a very small religious group that is unrelated to any other faith, and whose members feel free to satisfy their urges responsibly, exhibit kindness to their friends, and attack their enemies. There are perhaps ten thousand Satanists in North America. By far the largest Satanic organization is the Church of Satan."
"Although the Christian Churches taught during the Renaissance that devil worshipers were very common, such individuals were in fact extremely rare, and remain so. The very few who do exist appear to be solitary practitioners; they do not appear to have formed an organization.
Satanists do not necessarily "worship the devil". There are some, but that is a sect of Satanism, just like Lutheran is a sect of Christianity. Satanism is generally the belief that one should fulfill their desires and live in the now, instead of worrying about the afterlife. You, are stereotyping, just like a stereotypical christian would.
"Conservative Christians generally believe that there are only two powerful supernatural forces in the world: their God and Satan. A few of them believe that if a person does not worship their God and hold their beliefs, then they must be worshiping Satan. The latter are, by definition, Satanists. Thus, they view all religions different from their own to be are forms of Satanism. This would include established world religions from Buddhism to Zoroastrianism, and might even include liberal and some mainline Christians. Satanists would then make up in excess of 90% of the world's population -- i.e. everyone who is not a conservative Christian. "
Now...
Just because they say they know what heaven or hell looks like, doesn't mean it's true. You're obviously incredibly gullible. And you also completely ignored the fact that heaven and hell is in the public media, hell almost always being described as a torturous burning pit. You would have to be either retarded or shut out from the entire world to not know what "hell" is described as.
HA. HAHAHA. WOW. You're telling me that a supernatural, omnipotent, immortal, invincible, timeless being that created everyone and everything in the universe that has never been proven to actually exist in all the years of humanity makes more sense then a flying spaghetti monster?? You're almost as bad as that other hypocrite in here. I'd be quicker to believe that theres a flying spaghetti monster somewhere out there in the universe, then I would be to believe in God. You'd be an idiot to say otherwise, when neither of them have been proven, and the flying spaghetti monster is just a flying spaghetti monster, and is not charged with the creation of all.
Have ever considered God COULD be a flying spaghetti monster?
It would make more sense then your alternate universe theory.
I suggest you try making more sense, because at this point, you've only repeated what you said about alternate universes. How could they get here? WHY would they come here? Why don't they just work in their universe? Why don't they make themselves known? Where did they get their power from? How do they harvest souls? What is the point???????
Flesh out your theory some more, and then maybe we'll talk.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:09 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo Which is why I don't believe a word in the bible.
If the most known passages in the bible, such as Noah's Ark, and the seven day creation, are false, then why believe anything else in the bible. If a massive flood, flooded the world, then there would be proof in the rocks, all over the world. But there is no such evidence. So Noah's Ark, in the bible, is written falsly, and therefor, the story is incorrect.
And you can tell how primitive the people who wrote the bible were. Read this passage from Genesis, 1:3-
3Then God said, "Let there be light," and then there was light. 4And God saw that it was good. Then he seperated light from the darkness. 5God called the light "day" and the darkness "night." Together these made up one day.
And then down further in Genesis, 1:15-
15"Let their light shine down upon the earth." And so it was. 16For God made two great lights, the sun and the moon, to shine down upon the earth.
Now, an elementary school student can tell you that the source of day and night is the sun. How is it that in the bible, God made day and night before the sun??
Can you understand, now, why I'm so hesitant to believe? the light was emmited from god himself yes, but there is a moutian where there are clams near the peak, now how is that says either the was a flood of biblical porportions or the moutian was once at the bottom of the sea
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:07 am
amigo bear AmErIcAnSyKo Which is why I don't believe a word in the bible.
If the most known passages in the bible, such as Noah's Ark, and the seven day creation, are false, then why believe anything else in the bible. If a massive flood, flooded the world, then there would be proof in the rocks, all over the world. But there is no such evidence. So Noah's Ark, in the bible, is written falsly, and therefor, the story is incorrect.
And you can tell how primitive the people who wrote the bible were. Read this passage from Genesis, 1:3-
3Then God said, "Let there be light," and then there was light. 4And God saw that it was good. Then he seperated light from the darkness. 5God called the light "day" and the darkness "night." Together these made up one day.
And then down further in Genesis, 1:15-
15"Let their light shine down upon the earth." And so it was. 16For God made two great lights, the sun and the moon, to shine down upon the earth.
Now, an elementary school student can tell you that the source of day and night is the sun. How is it that in the bible, God made day and night before the sun??
Can you understand, now, why I'm so hesitant to believe? the light was emmited from god himself yes, but there is a moutian where there are clams near the peak, now how is that says either the was a flood of biblical porportions or the moutian was once at the bottom of the sea Of course it was.
I can't argue with you on the second "paragraph" of your post, because, frankly, I can't understand anything it says.
So either spell correctly, type out your thoughts like a mature, educated 6th grader and use proper english, or just sit there and wait for me to magically dumb down my brain to a level where I can understand the jibberish you wrote.
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:22 pm
Okay, so what I believe is that there is no such thing as EVOLUTION.
why?
Well. Because monkey's have monkey's. & Humans have humans. Humans never had monkeys did they? Haha.
I am a christian. So, yes. I do believe in dinosaurs. In the "seven days of creation" God made dinosaurs, on the sixth day i believe? Because in the bible it says 24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so.
& in my opinion there is PROOF that God made the earth, for you people that say that there IS no PROOF. Haha, the Bible states that God, made the earth. In seven days. The bible is the proof, lovelys.<3
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:27 pm
The bible is a contradictory piece of exaggurated, primitive documents, trying hopelessly to explain what they do not know.
There's no proof God exists. The Bible you read lies to you. It says that a giant flood covered the earth. Theres no proof of that anywhere, though there would be massive ammounts of evidence all over the world if it did happen. The Bible says that God created the universe and the earth in seven days, yet we have proof of animals that lived long before humans, as well as meteor's that date back billions of years. 7 days? I think not. So don't even get me started.
The mere fact that this being wants us to believe in him, but gives no reason whatsoever to believe any of the claims we hear of him, makes me skeptical. But oh, if we don't believe in him, even though he has given us no proof of his existence, we burn in a lake of fire for all eternity!
Give me a ******** break.
You, ********, need to learn what evolution is, before you decide to try and enter a debate about it. You're just making yourself look like an ignorant, bubble-headed idiot, and quite frankly, you irriate the ******** out of me with your "I'm going to state my opinion like it's fact, without actually knowing or providing any actual facts" attitude.
Evolution happens with very small changes at a time. There is UNDENIABLE PROOF that evolution exists in species today. Go back and read my posts, otherwise, I see no point in arguing with someone who has no clue about the agruement.
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:24 am
before i coment that,i wold like to point out that earth CULDENT create its self and that the matter that it was made of HAD to come from SOMEWHERE, and that there ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY HAD to be some outside interfearence, and dont say it was marshans, even if they had the tecnolagy, they wold STILL have to viset earth to get ANY info of even our oxegen.
P.S. I cant spell any good, but i get the BEST grades in my science class.
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:30 am
if you want to do stem cell reasherch, GO AHEAD, just don expect me to contrebute, im a cristan, and thats just how it is, and the ONLY thing that can come of forceing ALL christans to covert from there beleave's, is total chaose!!!
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:42 am
the pairats of old managed. pirate pirate
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:53 am
P.S.S. ALL of my last coments were directed tward arrow "AmErIcAnSyKo" exclaim exclaim exclaim exclaim exclaim exclaim
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