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Prince Rilian

PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:22 pm
libertarians call themselves conservative, even though their name seems pretty liberal.

I don't support terrorist governments.  
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:12 am
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...and legalisation of marijuana is wrong


Why?

Alcohol and cigarettes are legal, both of which are far and away more destructive than marijuana, and at least marijuana has very good medical uses in reducing nausea and increasing appetite. Certainly, it should be regulated and restricted, like cigarettes and alcohol, but I fail to see where it is worse than either one.

I absolutely agree! The legalisation could also help to make quality better, so there wouldn't be any side effects from using it.
Let's start the mental revolution mrgreen heart


...um... let's not.
Why not? You bet it's gonna be fun smile
Needless to say, but marijuana helped popularizing socialistic ideals a lot.
The funny thing is that in my country in times of communism it wasn't well seen: exactly like today. It makes me feel even stronger that real life and theory are way too far away from each other.
However I understand anyone who say any kinds of drugs are bad, I for example am against all other kinds. But not letting mary legelised won't change the fact people are using it.  

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:44 am
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Louis-Auguste Robespierre


While there was a serious lack in consumer products (a feature of Stalinism generally) and little variation in available food, it was available.

Yeah, like, there were potatoes. At least people could make vodka at home. (always look at the bright side of life) Oh, and vinegar, yeah, there was vinegar. No bread, no eggs, but vinegar. And imagine what was happening when they put meat on the shelves. Queues were infinite... And you had to be friends with the seller of course.

Louis-Auguste Robespierre

So the policies of the Stalinists did hurt heaps, but at the same time, for the mass of the population, especially women, things were way better.
Ask anyone who was living in that realm. Today it's very hard to live if you don't have at least a proffesion which can give you a stable job, but hey, I can eat chocolate! And it's not even smuggled! It's not like life was like a hell, actually it was quite normal. But you simply couldn't have any perspectives. The reason you're living for is to find a husband/wife, have children and work for the plan.
And situation of women... well, it was a part of propaganda, to make women feel like free. But it's just an illusion, actually women had to work very hard and benefits were... um... having cheering up children? Oh please. Many women stereotypes come from those times and they're very insulting sometimes. Sorry, but practically it always looks different.


The position of women was significantly better (though nowhere near as good as East Germany), and it was only after the rise of Solidarnosc with its Pope-loving Pilsudskiite stuff that ramped up the latent Catholicism and turned it into the major ideology that stuff became... well, now.

However, defending the Stalinists isn't really what I want to do... For a number of practical reasons (shitty organisation of the economy) and a number of ideological reasons ("socialism in one country", lack of workers' councils, etc,.) I am staunchly opposed to them. However for me, the planned economy was worth defending. What was needed was to get rid of the Stalinist United Workers' Party and have a democracy based on workers councils while keeping the planned economy.

While that almost happened in East Germany in the events of 1989-90, it didn't happen there and was nowhere near happening in Poland.  
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:39 am
Louis-Auguste Robespierre


The position of women was significantly better (though nowhere near as good as East Germany), and it was only after the rise of Solidarnosc with its Pope-loving Pilsudskiite stuff that ramped up the latent Catholicism and turned it into the major ideology that stuff became... well, now.

However, defending the Stalinists isn't really what I want to do... For a number of practical reasons (shitty organisation of the economy) and a number of ideological reasons ("socialism in one country", lack of workers' councils, etc,.) I am staunchly opposed to them. However for me, the planned economy was worth defending. What was needed was to get rid of the Stalinist United Workers' Party and have a democracy based on workers councils while keeping the planned economy.

While that almost happened in East Germany in the events of 1989-90, it didn't happen there and was nowhere near happening in Poland.


Well, believe it or not, but the situation of women was worse than today. Woman was supposed to be a wife, or a secretary, grocery store seller, nurse, elementary teacher... Of course there were women at university, but for example a female engineer was something, well, very rare? (almost nonexistent?) She could work and have her money, but... it was much better seen if she had a husband as well. Women were, most of all, treated worse. Today a polish woman can decide what kind of life she wants to lead on. That's beacuse our country opened and people see that world is changing, some stereotypes are no more... During communism our country was like asleep.

Actually I'd like to know what are your views on this based on.

And about Solidarnosc... I mentioned before this movement was revolutionary. Because it was a revolution against the ones who stealed our country's freedom. Pilsudski and patriotical ideas have nothing to do with it. Lech Walesa isn't that smart, you know? And catholical stuff indeed was a part of it, because people in Poland were very used to it and then, somebody comes to them and tells them to stop going to church. It's rather natural they will not obey that! It's the same as people of the church coming to your house and arresting you, because you or any of your children ditched church last sunday.
And now imagine the huge influence of John Paul II. Polish people realized their voice can be heard. It all combined and it's like that right now. And I'm sure I'd rather have the church (powerful, yet not arresting people because of faith) than communistic party in my country. Today it's safer and quality of life is better. There's still much to do, and life is hard, but you can live peacefully as long as you won't hurt anyone.

 

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:06 pm
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I chose the option: Left Wing

Yes I am a progressive/liberal.
I'm generally liberal such as I'm for samesex marriage, diplomacy (NO WAR), on the fence with abortion and etc.

I'm actually moderate when it comes to economy
I dont think Government should control the economy
So I'm a capitalist too.

Uh yes I am a Democrat!!!!
(I AM NOT A COMMUNIST!)

NO WAR? I'm sorry but war made America. It is good if used to support a moral high ground. If NO WAR had happened between ourselves and the Axis in the 30's to 40's, we would, in all likelihood, be speaking German right now.

What's wrong with German? yes the way they would have forced it would have been bad, but honestly, German is a lot like English.  
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:11 pm
Raticiel
Louis-Auguste Robespierre


The position of women was significantly better (though nowhere near as good as East Germany), and it was only after the rise of Solidarnosc with its Pope-loving Pilsudskiite stuff that ramped up the latent Catholicism and turned it into the major ideology that stuff became... well, now.

However, defending the Stalinists isn't really what I want to do... For a number of practical reasons (shitty organisation of the economy) and a number of ideological reasons ("socialism in one country", lack of workers' councils, etc,.) I am staunchly opposed to them. However for me, the planned economy was worth defending. What was needed was to get rid of the Stalinist United Workers' Party and have a democracy based on workers councils while keeping the planned economy.

While that almost happened in East Germany in the events of 1989-90, it didn't happen there and was nowhere near happening in Poland.


Well, believe it or not, but the situation of women was worse than today. Woman was supposed to be a wife, or a secretary, grocery store seller, nurse, elementary teacher... Of course there were women at university, but for example a female engineer was something, well, very rare? (almost nonexistent?) She could work and have her money, but... it was much better seen if she had a husband as well. Women were, most of all, treated worse. Today a polish woman can decide what kind of life she wants to lead on. That's beacuse our country opened and people see that world is changing, some stereotypes are no more... During communism our country was like asleep.

Actually I'd like to know what are your views on this based on.

And about Solidarnosc... I mentioned before this movement was revolutionary. Because it was a revolution against the ones who stealed our country's freedom. Pilsudski and patriotical ideas have nothing to do with it. Lech Walesa isn't that smart, you know? And catholical stuff indeed was a part of it, because people in Poland were very used to it and then, somebody comes to them and tells them to stop going to church. It's rather natural they will not obey that! It's the same as people of the church coming to your house and arresting you, because you or any of your children ditched church last sunday.
And now imagine the huge influence of John Paul II. Polish people realized their voice can be heard. It all combined and it's like that right now. And I'm sure I'd rather have the church (powerful, yet not arresting people because of faith) than communistic party in my country. Today it's safer and quality of life is better. There's still much to do, and life is hard, but you can live peacefully as long as you won't hurt anyone.


sorry, but I'm hoping that, if you are from a different, non-English speaking country you will be glad I did this, but grammar errors drive me insane (in the membrane rofl ignore this please)
stealed-stole patriotical-patriotic catholical-Catholic (if you leave it uncapitalised it means universal)  

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Raticiel

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:44 am
@ Mrithyu - wow, thanks. I'm still learning, you know wink  
PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:26 pm
OH sweet! I know how hard it can be learning a new language (not learning English since it's my native, but Spanish [easy]) and I like it when people correct my errors  

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:09 pm
Rilian Sharp
libertarians call themselves conservative, even though their name seems pretty liberal.

I don't support terrorist governments.


Libertarians are economically conservative
but socially liberal  
PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:54 pm
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Rilian Sharp
libertarians call themselves conservative, even though their name seems pretty liberal.

I don't support terrorist governments.


Libertarians are economically conservative
but socially liberal
Which makes it at least look like an attractive option lol  

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Raticiel

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:58 pm
Mrithyu
OH sweet! I know how hard it can be learning a new language (not learning English since it's my native, but Spanish [easy]) and I like it when people correct my errors
Actually using gaia is a good practice 3nodding especially on forums like this one, when you have to write something more complicated than "hi, I'm Asia and I'm from Poland, do you like cats lol?" smile I've heard my language is extremely hard to learn. whee  
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:12 am
you know, I don't really know much about the Polish language sweatdrop but then again, I live in America where we aren't required to learn another language, and the most useful languages where I live are Spanish and German...  

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Falhalterra

PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:32 am
I lean with three political spectrums because one party is never fully right in this day and age: Libertarian/Centrist/Left-Liberal.

Call me an eccentric, but it's my political beliefs. mrgreen lol  
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:36 pm
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I lean with three political spectrums because one party is never fully right in this day and age: Libertarian/Centrist/Left-Liberal.

Call me an eccentric, but it's my political beliefs. mrgreen lol
It's not eccentric. It's just utopian smile  

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Raticiel

PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:45 pm
Mrithyu
you know, I don't really know much about the Polish language sweatdrop but then again, I live in America where we aren't required to learn another language, and the most useful languages where I live are Spanish and German...
Yes, because if you know spanish you generally know also italian 3nodding and german is quite similar to english, but somewhat harder. My language has many endings for each variation, so even polish people who for example don't read too much are making mistakes razz  
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