MiniSiets
Raticiel
But isn't this what every debate between theism and atheism will always end up like? whee logic will never tell which option is better. The only discourse that won't be just a pile of nonsense will be a practical discourse then. Yes, the one that will include all abortions, euthanasies, suicides, meaning of life, political stuff and - the most important one - everyday life on a person. Yes, the discourse that can't be resolved without tanks and bombs, insulting and forcing your own views.
I think it's a little disingenuous to suggest that because we can't deal with reality in absolute proofs that the next best thing is to simply throw our arms in the air and say that no position is more logical than another. I mean, again, it's not like if you just suddenly start believing that if you drop a rock it won't fall, then the rock really doesn't fall. That's simply not how reality works no matter how much someone tries to make a religion out of it.
I'm not 100% sure what do you mean by that, but I'm sure reality has not much to do with logic... And as theism and atheism are some abstract theories which use logical arguments there's no way one side can win, because both theists and atheists, and agnostics, and skeptics use the same logic. Logic is just a form, it only shows which reasoning is proper.
And note one thing: religion is a fact. It's a part of this so-called reality. If humans are making up religions - there must be a reason for that. And that's when it all goes into stuff like sociology, anthropology, psychology. Those are "sciences", they're not always accurate, but only those are giving any satysfying answers, at least to some people. And all they involve are other facts happening in the world, and that will always involve interpretation. But philosophical theories should always remain clear, without any ideology behind them. They won't produce many answers that way, but they might at least look like they're more certain. The key is reasoning, logic. But it's still just a tool. As limited as we are.
