How to Create A Soul

[Its Wolfeh]

Its still obvious that creating a soul out of thin air would be the topic at hand. If it wasn't this wouldn't be an occult guild. And FYI I don't watch anime.

_Gentle Like The Fawn, Fierce Like The Bear, Protective Like The Wolf.

 

[Taigamma]

Only gods can create souls, we can only create bodies for them to reside in.  

[Vanilla eXee]

Its Wolfeh

Its still obvious that creating a soul out of thin air would be the topic at hand. If it wasn't this wouldn't be an occult guild. And FYI I don't watch anime.

_Gentle Like The Fawn, Fierce Like The Bear, Protective Like The Wolf.

Didn't say you did. But if you read through the thread, seems like the topic at hand was more fma than anything else. If they think they're going to create souls by following an anime, there's a chance they don't know how easy it is to just do it the old fashioned way.  

[Naynram Ukir]

Vanilla eXee

This is an easy one. To keep it PG, I will relate to you a story my friend and I tell.

"When a boyfish and a girlfish fall in love, they want to swim upstream." When they swim upstream, the mommy fish releases eggs, and the daddy fish fertilizes them. After some time, the eggs hatch and babyfish emerge.

If a soul exists, that's how you make one.

That's the healthy way to do it.

Also, as an added note. I don't believe a lot of "servitors" created are actual technical souls; thought forms maybe, that if not experienced enough people can lose track of, but not souls. But that's just what I believe.

CharmedMethod

With alchemy, i believe you can transport from within some of your soul and energy into a doll or something, kinda like in the movie 9. If this is about creating a new soul or your own in general, you can't create a soul. The soul of your own is already within you, you can create your personality and your body, however, you can't morph with your soul.

Why do you believe that? Is it only because of a movie? That's a silly place to get metaphysic beliefs. To start off, maybe, but not to keep.
And prove that you can't split your soul to create another entity.

 

[Luciferin Bandit]

Naynram Ukir

That's the healthy way to do it.

Also, as an added note. I don't believe a lot of "servitors" created are actual technical souls; thought forms maybe, that if not experienced enough people can lose track of, but not souls. But that's just what I believe.

Yeah, that is basically create. Servitors are not actually souls. They are thoughtforms that are given a lot of the same qualities as souls, but the creation of an actual soul is impossible.

As far as I know, a servitor or egregore(sp?) is the closest we can get to creating a soul. They aren't souls, more like intent given enough energy and will to become a seperate entity.

Creation of Souls rests with the powers that be, not us.

That being said, you might want to look into Servitors. They are really similar to souls. They are even known to have their own personalities, and even their own intentions, which may or may not align with their creator. Basically, they can become so self-aware that they decide they don't want to do what they were created for anymore, and do their own thing.

I would do some research on Fotomecus. It was a sigil that turned into a viral servitor. And went from servitor to godform. Pretty interesting stuff.  

[Naynram Ukir]

I've looked into it. I don't believe it's morally right to create a being just to serve me, which takes away from my personal power, growth and hard work at the same time. I wouldn't like it if it was me, you know?

 

[Luciferin Bandit]

That's only if you choose to think of it as a being.

A lot of people think of it as just a piece of their will that is broken off to serve a certain purpose, and that is reintegrated once that purpose is fulfilled. Some people think of it as just a sigil with a little more control over how it works.

It's only as alive as you make it.

I have no real moral conflict with it. But I am predominantly a ceremonial magician. And dealing with servitors is actually a lot nicer than with other spirits. Safer too...  

[lunusrexia]

What if you overlay-ed a thought form on a living animal? by technicality you are not fully creating a soul but upgrading an animal's soul with human capacities-ish  

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Dizzy - atari

this is a copy/past of a argument i used with another person. The princible still applyes nut im to lazy to retype it so here just replace the word god with soul and for the most part that should work.

In Egyptian belief one must be remembered to have an eternal afterlife. I am almost certain that the same form of principle would affect the gods them selves.

If you look at belief from a magical point of view you could come to the conclusion that since emotions and thoughts both have a magical energy of there own, by combining them you would come out with belief, and since to forms of the same type of energy were combined to create it then one can assume then belief its self has a magical energy to it.

Take a trip back in time to the point where humans started to believing in such unseen things as the gods. Say back to Ra or Enki. Some prophet spreads the word of there god and all of a sudden you got a whole lota people believing in a single idea, a single entity. All of these people are directing there belief to this single thought. Boom all of a sudden you got your self a god. Its really like asking what came first the chicken or the egg.

Continuing along the same line of thought. where your belief has a magical energy to it. It wouldn't be hard to come to the conclusion that the gods would need a steady flow of this energy, sort of like a food source. Even if we didn't create them I would imagine that this part is true. why else would they want you to pray to them and honour them with what ever it is they wanted, grains and fruit, pigs blood or virgin sacrifice. Ether way each god has there way of being honoured and I think that this acts as there food or energy source.

Now say that you remove this source of energy, I would think that so long as there is some mention of them some where as with the Egyptians they would continue to exist, but I think they would go into a hibernation like state. for those gods we no longer have a record of, say something before Ra or Enki, One would have to assume that they have long since died.

Belief based magic(k) has been around since the dawn of magic its self and I for one believe that with in it lies the origins of the gods.

this more or less  

[broken_bleeding_angel]

Pertaining to bringing a soul into another body/vessel - Ummm...anybody ever seen Pet Cemetary?.... Might change your mind if you have.  

[Dasuto]

Servitors are good and all, but what about a physical body, if you create a Servitor is it possible to create a body as well?  

[Obscurus]

Justin Wrath

Servitors are good and all, but what about a physical body, if you create a Servitor is it possible to create a body as well?

You mean like creating a golem? Why would you want to limit a servitor with a physical body in the first place?

I'm not going to say it's impossible, but I think it would be more trouble than it's worth.  

[Dasuto]

Obscurus

Justin Wrath

Servitors are good and all, but what about a physical body, if you create a Servitor is it possible to create a body as well?

You mean like creating a golem? Why would you want to limit a servitor with a physical body in the first place?

I'm not going to say it's impossible, but I think it would be more trouble than it's worth.

Well think of it this way, where a normal servitor has limited interaction with the psychical world, one with a body will have many more uses then just to help with magical practices, they can even be used as a body guard or so much more.  

[Obscurus]

Justin Wrath

Obscurus

Justin Wrath

Servitors are good and all, but what about a physical body, if you create a Servitor is it possible to create a body as well?

You mean like creating a golem? Why would you want to limit a servitor with a physical body in the first place?

I'm not going to say it's impossible, but I think it would be more trouble than it's worth.

Well think of it this way, where a normal servitor has limited interaction with the psychical world, one with a body will have many more uses then just to help with magical practices, they can even be used as a body guard or so much more.

A conventional servitor can be used for that as well. My thing is that by confining it to a body you basically limit it to operating within the parameters of physicality which may not always be the most effective.

It would probably also take a tremendous amount of willpower, on the level of macro-PK. And if you can do macro-PK then why bother with a physical servitor?  

[Vanilla eXee]

Have any of you actually done this, or is all of the information being provided the result of word of mouth and/or reading?