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 Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:46 am
You want to know something funny?
You get the best grades in science class but you're suprisingly ignorant.
I find that hilarious.
If everything has to come from something for a reason and had to be created by some "outside interference", where did God come from? Tell me that, kid.
You don't have to tell me you're christian. You think I couldn't tell what religion and what kind of person you are from your very first response in this topic? It's painfully obvious by your lack of factual evidence and your arrogance.
Learn how to spell, use proper grammar and learn a bit about the theory of evolution before you consider trying to come back in here and argue against me. Until then, I see no other point in responding to an idiot.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:43 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo amigo bear AmErIcAnSyKo Which is why I don't believe a word in the bible.
If the most known passages in the bible, such as Noah's Ark, and the seven day creation, are false, then why believe anything else in the bible. If a massive flood, flooded the world, then there would be proof in the rocks, all over the world. But there is no such evidence. So Noah's Ark, in the bible, is written falsly, and therefor, the story is incorrect.
And you can tell how primitive the people who wrote the bible were. Read this passage from Genesis, 1:3-
3Then God said, "Let there be light," and then there was light. 4And God saw that it was good. Then he seperated light from the darkness. 5God called the light "day" and the darkness "night." Together these made up one day.
And then down further in Genesis, 1:15-
15"Let their light shine down upon the earth." And so it was. 16For God made two great lights, the sun and the moon, to shine down upon the earth.
Now, an elementary school student can tell you that the source of day and night is the sun. How is it that in the bible, God made day and night before the sun??
Can you understand, now, why I'm so hesitant to believe? the light was emmited from god himself yes, but there is a moutian where there are clams near the peak, now how is that says either the was a flood of biblical porportions or the moutian was once at the bottom of the sea Of course it was.
I can't argue with you on the second "paragraph" of your post, because, frankly, I can't understand anything it says.
So either spell correctly, type out your thoughts like a mature, educated 6th grader and use proper english, or just sit there and wait for me to magically dumb down my brain to a level where I can understand the jibberish you wrote. i was trying to say that to the noah's ark story that there is a mountian in Europe that contians clams, so for a species that lives underwater to be atop of a mountain mean that could have been a flood of biblical porportions. beside you take the bible to serious you have to look beyond what you see Ex: 666 is the mark of the beast , but in biblical numerology; 6 mean man so 666 could be three men claiming to be god rather than a chimera
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:17 pm
amigo bear AmErIcAnSyKo amigo bear AmErIcAnSyKo Which is why I don't believe a word in the bible.
If the most known passages in the bible, such as Noah's Ark, and the seven day creation, are false, then why believe anything else in the bible. If a massive flood, flooded the world, then there would be proof in the rocks, all over the world. But there is no such evidence. So Noah's Ark, in the bible, is written falsly, and therefor, the story is incorrect.
And you can tell how primitive the people who wrote the bible were. Read this passage from Genesis, 1:3-
3Then God said, "Let there be light," and then there was light. 4And God saw that it was good. Then he seperated light from the darkness. 5God called the light "day" and the darkness "night." Together these made up one day.
And then down further in Genesis, 1:15-
15"Let their light shine down upon the earth." And so it was. 16For God made two great lights, the sun and the moon, to shine down upon the earth.
Now, an elementary school student can tell you that the source of day and night is the sun. How is it that in the bible, God made day and night before the sun??
Can you understand, now, why I'm so hesitant to believe? the light was emmited from god himself yes, but there is a moutian where there are clams near the peak, now how is that says either the was a flood of biblical porportions or the moutian was once at the bottom of the sea Of course it was.
I can't argue with you on the second "paragraph" of your post, because, frankly, I can't understand anything it says.
So either spell correctly, type out your thoughts like a mature, educated 6th grader and use proper english, or just sit there and wait for me to magically dumb down my brain to a level where I can understand the jibberish you wrote. i was trying to say that to the noah's ark story that there is a mountian in Europe that contians clams, so for a species that lives underwater to be atop of a mountain mean that could have been a flood of biblical porportions. beside you take the bible to serious you have to look beyond what you see Ex: 666 is the mark of the beast , but in biblical numerology; 6 mean man so 666 could be three men claiming to be god rather than a chimera
If you could, I'd like to see some evidence/information about these "clams" on the europian mountains, because I can't seem to find anything.. But taking it from a common sense/deductive reasoning approach...
Clams aren't "allowed" to be on a mountain? Is it really that "out of place"? There are underwater deep-sea spiders. There are "flying" fish. And this bird is just ******** weird.
There are a number of things that seem out of place in the Earth, and clam's on a mountain is no exception. If there truely was a flood of biblical porportions, there would be much, much more evidence all over the world, instead of just there. The bible says 20 feet over the tallest peaks on Earth. The evidence would be geological. Extremely noticable evidence in the rocks and sediment.
So provide a little evidence and I'd be a little more inclined to debate.
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:29 am
AmErIcAnSyKo amigo bear AmErIcAnSyKo amigo bear AmErIcAnSyKo Which is why I don't believe a word in the bible.
If the most known passages in the bible, such as Noah's Ark, and the seven day creation, are false, then why believe anything else in the bible. If a massive flood, flooded the world, then there would be proof in the rocks, all over the world. But there is no such evidence. So Noah's Ark, in the bible, is written falsly, and therefor, the story is incorrect.
And you can tell how primitive the people who wrote the bible were. Read this passage from Genesis, 1:3-
3Then God said, "Let there be light," and then there was light. 4And God saw that it was good. Then he seperated light from the darkness. 5God called the light "day" and the darkness "night." Together these made up one day.
And then down further in Genesis, 1:15-
15"Let their light shine down upon the earth." And so it was. 16For God made two great lights, the sun and the moon, to shine down upon the earth.
Now, an elementary school student can tell you that the source of day and night is the sun. How is it that in the bible, God made day and night before the sun??
Can you understand, now, why I'm so hesitant to believe? the light was emmited from god himself yes, but there is a moutian where there are clams near the peak, now how is that says either the was a flood of biblical porportions or the moutian was once at the bottom of the sea Of course it was.
I can't argue with you on the second "paragraph" of your post, because, frankly, I can't understand anything it says.
So either spell correctly, type out your thoughts like a mature, educated 6th grader and use proper english, or just sit there and wait for me to magically dumb down my brain to a level where I can understand the jibberish you wrote. i was trying to say that to the noah's ark story that there is a mountian in Europe that contians clams, so for a species that lives underwater to be atop of a mountain mean that could have been a flood of biblical porportions. beside you take the bible to serious you have to look beyond what you see Ex: 666 is the mark of the beast , but in biblical numerology; 6 mean man so 666 could be three men claiming to be god rather than a chimera
If you could, I'd like to see some evidence/information about these "clams" on the europian mountains, because I can't seem to find anything.. But taking it from a common sense/deductive reasoning approach...
Clams aren't "allowed" to be on a mountain? Is it really that "out of place"? There are underwater deep-sea spiders. There are "flying" fish. And this bird is just ******** weird.
There are a number of things that seem out of place in the Earth, and clam's on a mountain is no exception. If there truely was a flood of biblical porportions, there would be much, much more evidence all over the world, instead of just there. The bible says 20 feet over the tallest peaks on Earth. The evidence would be geological. Extremely noticable evidence in the rocks and sediment.
So provide a little evidence and I'd be a little more inclined to debate. the moutian was mount everest and they're fossilized clams and this has been used in many arguements against evolution http://www.icr.org/article/520/12/but even so the world defies both logic and religion
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:59 am
The Himalaya's are supposed to be "caused" by the flood? I don't believe that for a second. There's no way that a flood could cause a mountain in the extremely short ammount of time that Noah was on the Ark.
Not to mention that, like I said, if there was enough precipitation in the air for it to rain hard enough for 40 days and 40 nights, all around the globe, that Noah and all of the animals, would have drowned when they tried to breath. There would be so much moisture in the air that they would litterally drown. The water would accumulate in their lungs with every breath they took, and they would drown.
The story of Noah and his Ark was only.. How long ago? 1500 years before the day of Christ? So that's 3500 or so years from now. Well consider science; About 94 million years ago, the oceanic plate as well as the modern African continental plate drifted towards the plate under modern Asia. The oceanic plate hit first, which causes the "oceanic sediments" on the Himalaya's. They crumpled upward, forming the mountains as Africa pushed onward, and they eventually came together.
The point is- Plate tectonics and continental drift (AKA science), explains the fossilized clams much better, clearer, and more logically then a massive, sudden, flood created by "God".
Take this into consideration; Have you ever heard the saying "- Of biblical proportions"? Have you ever taken that saying for what it is? "Exagguration". The bible exaggurates everything. And this "flood" is no different. If anything, Noah's town/city had a large flood that whiped everyone out. That's not uncommon, since my own city has had floods wash through here and completely demolish houses.
Look at what happened to New Orleans by a hurricane.
My point in this arguement is to prove that a flood of "biblical proportions" did not happen. Therefore giving truth to the fact that the bible that we read is incorrect, therefore proving that the only "proof" (and I use that term VERY loosely) that christians have to support their claims of God, is incorrect.
Which is why I don't believe.
neutral
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:25 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo The Himalaya's are supposed to be "caused" by the flood? I don't believe that for a second. There's no way that a flood could cause a mountain in the extremely short ammount of time that Noah was on the Ark.
Not to mention that, like I said, if there was enough precipitation in the air for it to rain hard enough for 40 days and 40 nights, all around the globe, that Noah and all of the animals, would have drowned when they tried to breath. There would be so much moisture in the air that they would litterally drown. The water would accumulate in their lungs with every breath they took, and they would drown.
The story of Noah and his Ark was only.. How long ago? 1500 years before the day of Christ? So that's 3500 or so years from now. Well consider science; About 94 million years ago, the oceanic plate as well as the modern African continental plate drifted towards the plate under modern Asia. The oceanic plate hit first, which causes the "oceanic sediments" on the Himalaya's. They crumpled upward, forming the mountains as Africa pushed onward, and they eventually came together.
The point is- Plate tectonics and continental drift (AKA science), explains the fossilized clams much better, clearer, and more logically then a massive, sudden, flood created by "God".
Take this into consideration; Have you ever heard the saying "- Of biblical proportions"? Have you ever taken that saying for what it is? "Exagguration". The bible exaggurates everything. And this "flood" is no different. If anything, Noah's town/city had a large flood that whiped everyone out. That's not uncommon, since my own city has had floods wash through here and completely demolish houses.
Look at what happened to New Orleans by a hurricane.
My point in this arguement is to prove that a flood of "biblical proportions" did not happen. Therefore giving truth to the fact that the bible that we read is incorrect, therefore proving that the only "proof" (and I use that term VERY loosely) that christians have to support their claims of God, is incorrect.
Which is why I don't believe.
neutral thank god for the romans if you were in cesar or whoever's place that made christanity to where it is now, it would probably be like "brave new world" for the most part.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:05 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo The Himalaya's are supposed to be "caused" by the flood? I don't believe that for a second. There's no way that a flood could cause a mountain in the extremely short ammount of time that Noah was on the Ark.
Not to mention that, like I said, if there was enough precipitation in the air for it to rain hard enough for 40 days and 40 nights, all around the globe, that Noah and all of the animals, would have drowned when they tried to breath. There would be so much moisture in the air that they would litterally drown. The water would accumulate in their lungs with every breath they took, and they would drown.
The story of Noah and his Ark was only.. How long ago? 1500 years before the day of Christ? So that's 3500 or so years from now. Well consider science; About 94 million years ago, the oceanic plate as well as the modern African continental plate drifted towards the plate under modern Asia. The oceanic plate hit first, which causes the "oceanic sediments" on the Himalaya's. They crumpled upward, forming the mountains as Africa pushed onward, and they eventually came together.
The point is- Plate tectonics and continental drift (AKA science), explains the fossilized clams much better, clearer, and more logically then a massive, sudden, flood created by "God".
Take this into consideration; Have you ever heard the saying "- Of biblical proportions"? Have you ever taken that saying for what it is? "Exagguration". The bible exaggurates everything. And this "flood" is no different. If anything, Noah's town/city had a large flood that whiped everyone out. That's not uncommon, since my own city has had floods wash through here and completely demolish houses.
Look at what happened to New Orleans by a hurricane.
My point in this arguement is to prove that a flood of "biblical proportions" did not happen. Therefore giving truth to the fact that the bible that we read is incorrect, therefore proving that the only "proof" (and I use that term VERY loosely) that christians have to support their claims of God, is incorrect.
Which is why I don't believe.
neutral i totally get your argument and i don't belive the bible, but they have found a boat that was found on a mountian close to the black sea, buried 300 feet down it was in US news : world reports sep 25 2000 but the whole noah's ark story is complete bull crap the christans stole it from the epic of gilgamesh
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:21 am
V379 the whole noah's ark story is complete bull crap the christans stole it from the epic of gilgamesh Noah's story is Old Testament. The Christians didn't steal it because they didn't exist yet. Hebrews adapted the story from Gilgamesh while they were forced to live in Babylon. They picked up a number of stories while they were there, including the stories about Lilith. Christians just culturally evolved from Hebrews with Christ as the evolutionary catalyst. Much like Islamics evolving from Christianity with Mohammad as their catalyst. Evolution is the most credible theory we have today, and at this point I don't believe it will be disproven. However, the Bible is not necessarily a huge tangle of lies either. The problem is, some people believe it is literal truth, and it's not. It's one large collection of parables. That doesn't mean there's no truth in it. It's a very long historical fable with real people, places, and things in it. One has to determine for one's self how much of it is fact and how much is a moral story like Aesop's fables. If you guys don't believe in God, so be it. But you shouldn't belittle others for their beliefs any more than you'd like someone to belittle you for yours. Belief in God doesn't make someone ignorant or backward. And debates can be a bit heated, so it's always better to be constructive and respectful of other people's beliefs so things don't turn into a personal flame war. Remember, it's ok to agree to disagree. Oh, btw.. I'm Wiccan. I don't believe in the Christian God or Satan or whomever else in the Christian pantheon. Just FYI so I don't get labeled. Thanks.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:03 pm
i am sticking with Charles Darwin and his thoery of evolution and all that jazz the eart took several billion years to be created into what we know it as today. their is no magic seven days so deal with it!
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:58 am
Penn and Teller's Bullshit! has an episode on evolution v. religion. It was really good and I recommend it to anyone who is interested, and has a high tolerance for swearing.
In so far as the whole Noah's ark thing; it can not have happened exactly the way it says in the bible. I will say that I can believe in a large flood, an epic one, that was the end of the ice age, when a lot of that ice melted and the sea level rose. But all of those animals for 40 days and nights, and the people, how are they being feed, watered, cleaned and cleaned up after? When they all get off the boat, how do they repopulate the earth? It said that only Noah's family was spared. If you include the wives of of his sons, their children still wouldn't have anyone else to marry but their cousins.
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:31 am
I am technically Catholic, but I disagree with just about everything. Evolution happened. Look at some fossils.
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:20 pm
i do believe in evolution to an extent. im not sure if i believe that we evolved from monkeys but from fossils and other things it is clear that we have changed over thousands of years. its okay to think differently though because everyone believes different things. some believe that god made us this way and thats just how we are
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:57 pm
this is incredibly late but anteaters gators and sharks didnt have to evolve beacause they adapted to present day problems am i right question
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:11 pm
catholic and i dont believe in evolution.
What proof do we have of evolution. Bones of people that could have been wrong. I mean there was a dinosaur bone that was always mixed with thumb and horn. Have faith!
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