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First may I say that, in the future, please do not remove important part of my response.
Why should I respond to your entire post when you pick and choose what you have the best response for?
If the post is getting too long then go ahead and cut te redundant parts, I know they're there.
Why should I respond to your entire post when you pick and choose what you have the best response for?
If the post is getting too long then go ahead and cut te redundant parts, I know they're there.
Mixed messages here: Don't selectively quote, selectively quote, I know what I wrote.
Unless you mean something else.
Parts I don't qoute and reply to, I don't quote and reply to because I have made the same points elsewhere, or because I understoot that to be suplementary to another point, and decided to only quote the main part.
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That was quoted directly from your first post after a couple people stated that they were depressed.
That at least seems directed completely at them and at the end of an already judgemental and aggressive post.
So from that it is reasonable to guess that you have no problem offending people.
That at least seems directed completely at them and at the end of an already judgemental and aggressive post.
So from that it is reasonable to guess that you have no problem offending people.
You do realise that those people said that they were depressed... Having no knowledge of how they handled it, how can I say anything about that?
No, I think you decided that my views are bad, so my post must necessarily be aimed at offending people.
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Your 'hypothetical' questions on the next page were in response to someone who had posted about depression and started with "Are you really depressed?" Why would you ask a hypothetical person that? You were responding to someone and the subject of the sentence is "you".
The post was in reply to someone who was formerly depressed, and the questions were directed at someone claiming to be depressed now.
And... because of the massive repetition in this post I will quote an earlier post of mine, the one with all the questions:
If people have issues they should recieve professional care, definitely. and the best way to sift the real ones from the fakers is to ignore how they act when they are not recieving that care. Are you really depressed? Why aren't you in therapy? Do you really have a form of Autism that allows you to manage in society? Then you know not to say stuff when people tell you to stop.
Meaning? Someone is depressed, they should be given as much therapy as they need, but to expect everyone else to tip-toe around them is absurd.
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As I said in the last part of my last post, the part that you cut out, it's a struggle.
And feeling like nobody cares doesn't mean your thoughts are limited to "Everyone hates me so I should probably rot or kill myself."
Even if nobody did care, if you went to somebody, well not you but a lot of people, and said that you were really depressed and scared, they would probably try to help you.
Even a stranger.
It's not even about love or care.
And even if you're depressed you're still capable of that thought. A lot of different reasoning can lead you to the conclusion that you need to talk to somebody.
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It's not that black and white. And even if it was, there are so many other reasons to believe that someone would help you.
They have some moral obligation to help you.
They're doing it for appearances.
Even that they want you to stop acting weird.
You don't know what goes through someone else's head.
And again, being depressed generally makes people feel useless and lonely, but it doesn't necessarily make you completely blind to people worrying about you.
It's so much more complicated.
And feeling like nobody cares doesn't mean your thoughts are limited to "Everyone hates me so I should probably rot or kill myself."
Even if nobody did care, if you went to somebody, well not you but a lot of people, and said that you were really depressed and scared, they would probably try to help you.
Even a stranger.
It's not even about love or care.
And even if you're depressed you're still capable of that thought. A lot of different reasoning can lead you to the conclusion that you need to talk to somebody.
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It's not that black and white. And even if it was, there are so many other reasons to believe that someone would help you.
They have some moral obligation to help you.
They're doing it for appearances.
Even that they want you to stop acting weird.
You don't know what goes through someone else's head.
And again, being depressed generally makes people feel useless and lonely, but it doesn't necessarily make you completely blind to people worrying about you.
It's so much more complicated.
So basically... force people who you think don't care about you to pay attention to you out of moral obligation or a guilt-trip. Gotcha.
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So you're going to secretly see a therapist without any of your loved ones knowing?
Ahuh, right. It probably is best to tell your family about seeing a therapist, but they don't need to know why, or the details of your issues or anything like that. "I've been seeing the school/campus/whatever therapist for a few weeks now. Nothing big, but its just something I needed to get out of the way." ZOMG! SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD!
The rest... well, I think I answered the rest in that little quote, 'eh. There are free therapists. I don't know how many are in your area, but each local council here seems to have one available, as well as each school and university. I don't know how good they are, but they would at least serve as a stepping stone, no?
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Where did you ever get the impression that anywhere near all of them were diagnosed?
That, and people can say they have been diagnosed... Without having ever seen a therapist.
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But from what you've been saying, you think you can judge that someone is just trying to take advantage of you if they speak openly about their disorder. There's not enough information there for you to assume that.
Because I have obviously given you all the details about how I came to the conclusion, eh.
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Saying that you can judge from experience? That's like me saying "Every German person that I've met was a huge jerk to me. Therefore most German people must be jerks."
Have you ever thought that it's just the people you surround yourself with?[/qute]
Ah, no... because they aren't the people I surround myself with.
I am basing this on what former sufferers have said.
Now about Malingering: No, I was not referring to that specifically because i didn't know it was diagnosed (or more correctly, assumed there was one but couldn't be bothered looking it up).
Münchausen is specifically seeking attention from medical professionals(which is why I didn't mention it in my 'add' post), Malingering is as you said, but, to quote the wiki entry, "or simply to attract attention or sympathy." But having found it, it is close to what I was talking about.
Now, see... Your quote of my first post seems a bit off. Reading it I see many parts underlined which make no sense offensively...
Also, I think I see a big mix up:
"With publicised depression I often encounter people who use it to be the center of attention--and don't lie, you do too. If you were depressed you sure as hell wouldn't be telling anyone about it because that would imply that you thought people actually care, that you matter, that you aren't completely worthless and deserve to be erased from existence. By telling people about it you betray that you aren't depressed and are only doing it for attention, and that you are a manipulative arsehole."
I think you took the bold to be accusatory, but was actually referring to the underlined. That being the case, it is understandable how you took the rest in that wierd mixed up way you did.
One warranted a sarcastic response, the other didn't?
wut?
Please explain to me this odd concept of trusting people who as far as you know, couldn't care less about you. Like, trusting them to care about you, and not merely trusting them to be honest or to not tell everyone else out of moral obligation.
Actually, my advice would be "see a therapist, how the ******** do you expect me to be able to help with this?"
cool straw man bro
Have you ever thought that it's just the people you surround yourself with?[/qute]
Ah, no... because they aren't the people I surround myself with.
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And I'm still not convinced that you undertand depression. Let's say you have lived with depression, how do you know the difference between what all people living with depression face, what are simply common symptoms and similarities, and what's just you?
I am basing this on what former sufferers have said.
Now about Malingering: No, I was not referring to that specifically because i didn't know it was diagnosed (or more correctly, assumed there was one but couldn't be bothered looking it up).
Münchausen is specifically seeking attention from medical professionals(which is why I didn't mention it in my 'add' post), Malingering is as you said, but, to quote the wiki entry, "or simply to attract attention or sympathy." But having found it, it is close to what I was talking about.
Now, see... Your quote of my first post seems a bit off. Reading it I see many parts underlined which make no sense offensively...
Also, I think I see a big mix up:
"With publicised depression I often encounter people who use it to be the center of attention--and don't lie, you do too. If you were depressed you sure as hell wouldn't be telling anyone about it because that would imply that you thought people actually care, that you matter, that you aren't completely worthless and deserve to be erased from existence. By telling people about it you betray that you aren't depressed and are only doing it for attention, and that you are a manipulative arsehole."
I think you took the bold to be accusatory, but was actually referring to the underlined. That being the case, it is understandable how you took the rest in that wierd mixed up way you did.
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o.o Just out of curiosity, why did you quote this but not my story of dealing with depression?
One warranted a sarcastic response, the other didn't?
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God, there are so many explinations for why someone would ask someone they trust for help.
wut?
Please explain to me this odd concept of trusting people who as far as you know, couldn't care less about you. Like, trusting them to care about you, and not merely trusting them to be honest or to not tell everyone else out of moral obligation.
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I'm saying that if someone really did come to someone dangerously close to attempting suicide in a highly emotional and desperate state and opened up to someone who took your advice who told them to "quit faking", then that really could push them over the edge.
Actually, my advice would be "see a therapist, how the ******** do you expect me to be able to help with this?"
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And that shows that you don't know what you're talking about. My understanding of your understanding of depression is this:
Depressed people feel worthless and as if no one cares about them. They all obsess over this fact. Therefore, if a depressed person admits to somebody that they are depressed, they are not depressed. The only way somebody is really depressed is if they perminantly isolate themselves from others until they kill themselves.
The only way a depressed person may save himself from this fate is to see a professional. Which of course they must do without informing anyone who is not a therapist.
Depressed people feel worthless and as if no one cares about them. They all obsess over this fact. Therefore, if a depressed person admits to somebody that they are depressed, they are not depressed. The only way somebody is really depressed is if they perminantly isolate themselves from others until they kill themselves.
The only way a depressed person may save himself from this fate is to see a professional. Which of course they must do without informing anyone who is not a therapist.
cool straw man bro
