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 Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:47 pm
Ok, may I?
My points of view on the subject.
1) I really don't think 1 single cell could evolve so much that it could turn into an organism. Even if it could, where could the cell have come from? How did it get here?
2) No, the english bible is NOT 100% true. It is not complete since some true stories have been lost and/or destroy. I do not believe in all of the bible's teachings but they have points in there that are very intelligent.
3) Lets say that you die right now. If you go up to wherever dead people go and you find there is no God then so be it. Not your problem. But if you go up and find out there is a God then you would think it would have been nice to at least believe that there could have been a God and delve a bit into it while you were alive.
And remember. ALWAYS KEEP AN OPEN MIND
I should know. I'm gay.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:53 pm
Nico_Ryan Ok, may I?
My points of view on the subject.
1) I really don't think 1 single cell could evolve so much that it could turn into an organism. Even if it could, where could the cell have come from? How did it get here?2) No, the english bible is NOT 100% true. It is not complete since some true stories have been lost and/or destroy. I do not believe in all of the bible's teachings but they have points in there that are very intelligent.
3) Lets say that you die right now. If you go up to wherever dead people go and you find there is no God then so be it. Not your problem. But if you go up and find out there is a God then you would think it would have been nice to at least believe that there could have been a God and delve a bit into it while you were alive. And remember. ALWAYS KEEP AN OPEN MIND I should know. I'm gay. i admire your honesty, nico. ^w^ ~GSA 4EVER!~
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:00 pm
LithiumXwolf Nico_Ryan Ok, may I?
My points of view on the subject.
1) I really don't think 1 single cell could evolve so much that it could turn into an organism. Even if it could, where could the cell have come from? How did it get here?2) No, the english bible is NOT 100% true. It is not complete since some true stories have been lost and/or destroy. I do not believe in all of the bible's teachings but they have points in there that are very intelligent.
3) Lets say that you die right now. If you go up to wherever dead people go and you find there is no God then so be it. Not your problem. But if you go up and find out there is a God then you would think it would have been nice to at least believe that there could have been a God and delve a bit into it while you were alive. And remember. ALWAYS KEEP AN OPEN MIND I should know. I'm gay. i admire your honesty, nico. ^w^ ~GSA 4EVER!~ Woooo. GSA. Actually I'm more of a person who loves drama and stuff and love being different so........GSA. Goodnight btw :3
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:06 pm
question?!
what does GSA stand for?
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:01 am
cleolvtempus question?!
what does GSA stand for? Gay-Straight Alliance.
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:55 pm
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:15 pm
Got it. that make the last few posts make so much more sense! ^_^
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:36 pm
Well like i said before if there is a god im not dissing on him i mean i have religious friends its just that i dont believe in him
(Wyoming is stupid because i heard from someone that they killed a gay person just for being gay everyone has there rights jerks scream note: im straight but everyone has there rights still)
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:31 pm
Silvery-Golden-Wings Well like i said before if there is a god im not dissing on him i mean i have religious friends its just that i dont believe in him (Wyoming is stupid because i heard from someone that they killed a gay person just for being gay everyone has there rights jerks scream note: im straight but everyone has there rights still) Well its ok that you don't believe. God never made people believe, he gave them a choice.
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:34 pm
Nico_Ryan Ok, may I?
My points of view on the subject.
1) I really don't think 1 single cell could evolve so much that it could turn into an organism. Even if it could, where could the cell have come from? How did it get here?2) No, the english bible is NOT 100% true. It is not complete since some true stories have been lost and/or destroy. I do not believe in all of the bible's teachings but they have points in there that are very intelligent.
3) Lets say that you die right now. If you go up to wherever dead people go and you find there is no God then so be it. Not your problem. But if you go up and find out there is a God then you would think it would have been nice to at least believe that there could have been a God and delve a bit into it while you were alive. And remember. ALWAYS KEEP AN OPEN MIND I should know. I'm gay. Evolution: http://talkorigins.org/ Your third statement sounds a lot like Pascal's wager: "1. "God is, or He is not" 2. A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up. 3. According to reason, you can defend neither of the propositions. 4. You must wager. It is not optional. 5. Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. 6. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain." -Blaise Pascal. xp -Of course I have delved into the possibility that there were gods(plural) at one point. But then, I really do not see much proof. I am in awe at nature, I respect it, feel like a part of it because I am nurtured by it, and what hurts it hurts me as well as my fellow sentient beings. If there are gods,they are manifestations of the psyche..aspirations,desires. Our higher selves. Not some authoritarian entity that watches us and punishes us and has a say in what we do or do not do. And Nico, I think that "God"(or the "gods"...) would be proud of us non-believers,atheists and skeptics, because we are able to imagine and thrive in a world where we have no need of him/her/it/ze. If he exists,then he is smiling at us. He does not require our servitude or worship. If he exists, he/she/it is like a parent who has allowed us to open our wings and soar...
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:54 pm
i have no disrespect whatsoever towards religious people, but i myself do not believe in the existence of God.
i wonder that, if he did, why would he leave the world he so lovingly created in the decaying state it is right now? of course there are some wonderful things out there, but there are people dying, children starving, poverty, despair and pain - if "God" has the power to create the world and the bloody Universe in 7 days, how can he not fix this?
i do believe everything happens for a reason. just not that God has anything to do with it.
and i'm sorry, but i cannot take a single word in the Bible seriously.
the only thing i'll believe is that Jesus was real. now, that he could walk on water, cure the blind, and come back to life three days after his crucifixion? hell no.
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:57 pm
XxLeComtesseAndrogynexX Nico_Ryan Ok, may I?
My points of view on the subject.
1) I really don't think 1 single cell could evolve so much that it could turn into an organism. Even if it could, where could the cell have come from? How did it get here?2) No, the english bible is NOT 100% true. It is not complete since some true stories have been lost and/or destroy. I do not believe in all of the bible's teachings but they have points in there that are very intelligent.
3) Lets say that you die right now. If you go up to wherever dead people go and you find there is no God then so be it. Not your problem. But if you go up and find out there is a God then you would think it would have been nice to at least believe that there could have been a God and delve a bit into it while you were alive. And remember. ALWAYS KEEP AN OPEN MIND I should know. I'm gay. Evolution: http://talkorigins.org/ Your third statement sounds a lot like Pascal's wager: "1. "God is, or He is not" 2. A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up. 3. According to reason, you can defend neither of the propositions. 4. You must wager. It is not optional. 5. Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. 6. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain." -Blaise Pascal. xp -Of course I have delved into the possibility that there were gods(plural) at one point. But then, I really do not see much proof. I am in awe at nature, I respect it, feel like a part of it because I am nurtured by it, and what hurts it hurts me as well as my fellow sentient beings. If there are gods,they are manifestations of the psyche..aspirations,desires. Our higher selves. Not some authoritarian entity that watches us and punishes us and has a say in what we do or do not do. Indeed. But did you know Pascal himself was a true believer, and he didn't believe because of the 'Pascal's wager' reasons, he just devised that up as a good argument to use on non-believers. My question to Pascal, if he lived, would be: 'can you just choose to believe? What if the belief dies? Isn't belief a bit like being gay, you don't decide it... only instead of being born that way it comes from how you're raised, or if believers are right, from God...'
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:01 pm
Nico_Ryan Silvery-Golden-Wings Well like i said before if there is a god im not dissing on him i mean i have religious friends its just that i dont believe in him (Wyoming is stupid because i heard from someone that they killed a gay person just for being gay everyone has there rights jerks scream note: im straight but everyone has there rights still) Well its ok that you don't believe. God never made people believe, he gave them a choice. I wonder why Princess Zelda21 doesn't see that? She seems to think we have no choice. I also wonder why she hasn't posted again. Do any of you know her? I hope I didn't hurt her feelings too badly when I thought she was a troll. I do not usually visit religious forums and I hadn't realized how extreme some people are in their thinking. Talking to her was like talking to a rabid Twihard.
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:40 pm
Corporal Maladict Nico_Ryan Silvery-Golden-Wings Well like i said before if there is a god im not dissing on him i mean i have religious friends its just that i dont believe in him (Wyoming is stupid because i heard from someone that they killed a gay person just for being gay everyone has there rights jerks scream note: im straight but everyone has there rights still) Well its ok that you don't believe. God never made people believe, he gave them a choice. I wonder why Princess Zelda21 doesn't see that? She seems to think we have no choice. I also wonder why she hasn't posted again. Do any of you know her? I hope I didn't hurt her feelings too badly when I thought she was a troll. I do not usually visit religious forums and I hadn't realized how extreme some people are in their thinking. Talking to her was like talking to a rabid Twihard. my thinking exactly...people like that are borderline cultists in their beleifs....
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:02 pm
I think she might be ignoring this topic, or she left the guild. i have no idea. but i do think she just felt she could not reason with us....... sweatdrop
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