*pokes guild with a stick*

[xX Catgirl - Pierce Xx]

So you go to movies to watch the story "light show"
And go to miku concerts to listen to the songs during the "light show"
I guess the one thing here, is that concerts with REAL people never interrested me that much. (never seemed all that special) If I want to see a real person jump around, I can watch TV. But this is unique, special, and WAY cool. Even if you don't think that the virtual girl is cute (which I do) It's still WAY more awesome then a concert with a real person. (heck, most people don't actually sing at their own concerts anyway (all recordings), you could replace them with dancing robots and it would be just as good - IF we had robots that could move THAT realistically)

I wouldn't want to waste my time watching anyone play a game.
(unless you like, run into walls alot, then it would be funny)
I kinda view it as one of those things that's more fun to play then to watch.
(so I'll have to take your word on it)

I like the idea because even though I'd still have no "human" companion, I'd be no more alone then I am right now. But at least my new computer would look like a cute anime girl that could talk to me because of it's A.I. (and do other things if programmed right, hehehe) And when you say "I can see where we would end up, and it's not pretty" are you talking about that one episode on SeaQuest where they found the last 2 survivers of the human race (in the future) and they didn't know how to interact with each other because the computer did everything for them? (though personally I think life would rock, at least up until that point anyway)

Yeah... People are stupid.
Sex is more entertainment then for procreation.
Especially now that "furthering the species" isn't needed,
now that there are TOO many of us.
To bad there isn't something to make everyone sterile and then ONLY reverse it for the people that actually want kids for the right reasons... as apposed to "everyone's doing it" (tuff was a geneous - reference "tuff voyaging" or whatever that title was)

If that's so. Then why does all the best stuff come from japan.
(as in, everything made in america sux a** and brakes 100 times more often)
(too bad japan keeps all the REALLY cool stuff to itself)

AND I have not done one thing to this world. I hate it because of what everyone ELSE has done to it. One person can't undo the damage that a billion idiots have caused and continue to cause. So I did not make it this way, I simply hate it for what other people have made it... what I can do nothing about.  

[purpleravenhawk]

At least with a movie, there was human involvement in the creation. Real effort and creativity. Not just a bunch of fanboys pushing buttons. And a lot of people actually get a kick out of seeing their fave singers in person. I would. And by your own definition, TV is not seeing a real person, so you can't say that you watch TV to see a real person jump around without admitting that it's a step up the reality scale. A hologram is not unique. It's programmed. It's a piece of data. And dancing robots would be on the same monotonous level.

Wouldn't you get tired of talking to an inanimate object? Especially since we'll probably never perfect the conversation AI. And no, actually, I wasn't thinking about that episode because I don't think that's what would happen. Based on human psychology and behavior patterns, there's an entirely different nightmare in store for us, assuming we actually developed sentient computer technology. Which, as I said, I don't think will happen. And no, I'm not talking about the Matrix, either. rolleyes My projections are based entirely in historical patterns and modern facts, not sci-fi speculation.

Saying the "best stuff" comes from Japan is actually just a habitual tradition among geekoids. It's not true anymore. Even Japan manufactures most of their stuff overseas. And their designers are running out of steam. Most of their latest tech is just different versions of the same stuff they've been doing for years. Just because you get a kick out of the weird stuff doesn't make it the best.

When I said that the world is what you make of it, I was talking about perspective. Remember what I've said about that before? The world can be bright or dark, depending on how you look at it. It doesn't matter if you have the fastest computer or your neighbor sends you cupcakes every day. You will always be unhappy until you quit looking at everything as gloomy and world-shattering. I swear, you're one of those people who could win 10 million dollars in a lottery and spend the next decade complaining that the IRS took too much out in taxes. Hating the world is as pointless and self-defeating as hating yourself. No, you can't "fix" the world. But you can fix your little corner of it, and you can fix your own perspective and your own self. Just being negative all the time only makes it that much easier to notice the bad stuff and neglect the good stuff. The only thing in the world that can make you happy is you. There's truth in greeting card sentiments like that. So do something about it.  

[xX Catgirl - Pierce Xx]

LOL, I guess I used TV in my argument too much.
But as for the "no effort"...
You obviously have NO idea exactly how much work
goes into the creation of a hologram.
It's not just "a bunch of fanboys pushing buttons"
It's geeks doing what they love. (making stuff with technology)
And many of them probably don't care about the end result one way or another.
It's just a job for them, so you can't call them all "fanboys"
As for the ones that ARE miku-fans,
they're the ones that push to make the tech behind these concerts soo unbelievable.
And once it's done, yeah, all they have to do is push a button to start the program.
But don't forget about all the hard work that goes into making it.
Or do you not think that "programming" is hard work?
(oh one who thought HTML, one of the easiest programming languages on the planet, made your head spin the first time you looked at it.)
So don't degrated the hard work and effort of the programmers of the world !!!

And if someone wants to see a real person on stage, that's their choice.
But they're STILL ON STAGE, when you can only see, and not touch, even people are still no better then a picture.

OK, so what is this "horrible" future you see?
May you, the person SOO obssessed with reality despite complaining almost every day about all the stupid people you have to work with every day, inform me of what you see.
(one would think that you of all people would understand the desire for a world less realistic) It always seems like your forcing yourself to defend the very world that irritates and frustrates you so much. Just because things, as they are now, are all we have, doesn't mean we should settle for it and not try to push for something better.
You yourself say that we should try to improve things. Yet you admonish, almost demonize the work of the worlds programmers that are trying to do just that. And before you say "virtual girls to drool at does not improve the world" Let me say that I believe creating entertainment for people to enjoy is always an improvement over nothing.

Fine, it may not be the best, technology speaking, but it is the most entertaining.
(for the people that enjoy it) And just because you don't like something, don't scorn others for liking it. Saying "just a bunch of..." would be degrading to anyone that it's applied to. Your ALWAYS doing this! Whenever you like something ALOT, and I decide I don't, you walk away acting like I'M out of my mind. If you believe in freedom of choice even the slightest bit, then stop doing that! STOP degrading miku fans for what we like and treating us like we're all blind morrons !!!
Especially sence you yourself say that "how people are treated" affect them, and they shouldn't be treated like crap. (reference on rape hentai games debate)

I find this part of your argument a tad irronic... "perspective: The world can be bright or dark, depending on how you look at it"
You say that we should accept the real world for the way it is, and then you say that?
When you say "depending on how you look at it" all that says to me is that the way you view the world is "colored" by how you "want" to see it. Nothing more then ONE GIANT ILLUSION created by a mind that doesn't WANT to see the world the way it is. True it's not good to see just the bad, but seeing JUST the good, isn't good either. (and although I know you don't do that, yet your telling other people to do it) Both are COLORED perspectives that are NOT how the world really is. How can you be SOO obssessed with reality, and then say that we need to color our perspective and live in an illusion. If I'm going to live in an illusion, it's going to be a "COMPLETE FANTASY WORLD" not some half-assed "better then it actually is" version of this one.  

[purpleravenhawk]

Okay, you got me on the effort front. But I still wouldn't call it creativity.

It's not the seeing that I'm making a point out of; it's the being a real person. How can you consider something fake, replicated, and replaceable more special than a real person?

I do not complain almost every day. Maybe once or twice a week. But complaining about someone or something does not make the world a lost cause. I am not forcing myself to do anything here. I really do think that the world has bright spots. And speaking of "pushing for something better," that is not what you do. You just complain, more than I do. I do not consider improvements in programming and technology to be an improvement on the world. I do not demonize them, as you put it, but I'm not going to put them up on a pedestal that they don't deserve. Moving technology along means nothing if the people who run it aren't improving too.

I wouldn't call it the most entertaining, but like you said, that's your opinion. I have never said you were out of your mind for not liking something I liked. You're assuming you know how I think again. Stop THAT. And I'm not degrading anyone. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with liking a hologram or some computer-generated musical notes. All I've ever said about it is that it's not as good as a real set of vocal cords, and it shouldn't be worshiped as an end-all nirvana. I don't treat anything that I'm into like that because I know that everything has flaws (even your dreams of so-called "perfection") and there's always something better around the next corner. Your extreme reaction to this is not my fault since I have not "treated you like crap." I have expressed my opinion on your obsession. Guess what? When you talk about your god on the internet, people will disagree with you. Strongly.

Why does everything have to be one way or the other for you? The real world IS the way it is, AND it's all in how you look at it. Because the way the world is is two different ways. It is both light and dark. AT THE SAME TIME. The key to both knowledge and happiness is which part you spend the most time looking at. Yeah, the mind is great at deluding itself. That doesn't mean that this delusion should be either avoided or embraced. Try controlling it. I'm not saying you should ignore the bad. I'm just saying don't ignore the good. Look at the bad so that you know what the whole world looks like, but spend more time looking at the good so that you're happier. Otherwise you're ignoring the yang half and only seeing part of the symbol. And if you miss out on half the imagery, you'll be missing half the meaning.  

[xwhateverxdudex]

Everything "created" may not be "creative"
But anything new, created with new tech, is "being creative"
whether you think something is useful or not, doesn't matter.
If it's new, it's creative ^.^ (at least IMO anyway)

Hmm... (how can I explain)
This whole world (america mostly) puts out new "stage stars" faster then a rabbit breeds. It's not that special anymore. But this is new and hi-tech-y. It shows how far we've come with holograms. (which is a subject I like - the fact that they made it of something else I like, makes it that much better - just think of how you'd feel if they made a life size hologram of something that you REALLY like) And seeing it in person is the only way to gauge how realistic is trully is. Because "seeing it second hand" (through a camera lens) has a tendency of removing some of the optical illusion that the imaging devices create.

I didn't say, put them on a pedestal. I'm saying, don't degrade their work. Technology is meant to improve lives. (creating entertainment IMO does that) True it may not be used in the best way possible. But once it's been created, people are going to use it however they want. Saying "Moving technology along means nothing if the people who run it aren't improving too" is problamatic. This is one of those times that you need to sepparate the creator from the creation. You can't say that just because one is not "improving" means that the other "means nothing"

Your right. You've never said it, and I can't read your mind.
But it's the impression I got from the way you acted.
Or rather that's how I expect someone would act. (in my book)
Perhaps it's just the way you act when frustrated
because you can't understand why I don't like something.

Yes, I did exagerate. I just didn't like the way you used the term "fanboys" in that one post of yours. It has some very negative connotations. (IMO) Kinda like the word "geek" before the geeks made it their own. Everyone over-reacts to something. I just did it more then you usually do. I say "usually" because when you really over-react, you REALLY over-react. I just do it more often.

Yeah, I have a problem with that.
It's hard to SEE the good, when you don't go outside that much.
And all I ever heard about is the bad, so when I do go out, my perception has already been colored. When I look around at the people out there, all I see is the bad that "could" be in them, as oppossed to the good that "more likely" is in them. (I say "more likely" because I still have my doubts) It's because of the fact that everyone is so paranoid now a days. For example: if you admit to someone in person that you like pr0n, they'd probably have you arrested for being an accused rapist. As it is right now, everyone that likes hentai is already labeled as being a *****. (like the guys that were talking about the weapons in their video game, the woman that walked by got paranoid and had them fired) It's to dangerous to trust anyone these days. Not everyone may be like that, but it's still WAY to big a risk to even give them a chance.  

[purpleravenhawk]

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I think live human beings are more special than a computer program, and you think vice versa, and neither of us is going to change the other's mind. I don't think you can label anything new as "creative," tho. If I invented a new kind of toilet, would that be creative? And just for the record, I would not be impressed enough by a hologram of something I REALLY liked to pay through the nose to see it. It might be worth a few bucks, but I wouldn't go fangirl about it.

Okay, so it doesn't mean "nothing." Maybe I exaggerated a bit. But it certainly isn't worth all that energy.

Kudos on using the word "connotations". And correctly spelled, as well. xd I can understand getting upset over something like that. My apologies. Off the record, tho, without the negative connotations, aren't you a fanboy? xd

Those are extreme and improbable circumstances. And nobody would accuse you of anything for liking porn. I spend quite a bit of time in the real world, and trust me, most people are okay with it. It's not as big a risk as you seem to think.  

[xX Catgirl - Pierce Xx]

Yeah probably.
I didn't say "pay through the nose" but you would want to see it right?
Even if you wouldn't want to pay much if any to do so.

Depends on what you think your "energy" is worth.
Personally I'd jump at the chance to see one.
But that goes back to your "agree to disagree" statement.

(THX ^.^ LOL)
Off the record and without negtive connotations?
Yes, I suppose I could use the term fanboy.
I just prefer the terms geek and otaku.
Though I suppose to others,
those words might have negative connotations.

My view of the world may be much more limited then yours.
But I still remember hearing about a video shop that sold anime,
and the group of people that parked their butts outside
to curse and yell profanities at anyone that went in, and/or came out.
The video on youtube was taken down before I could see it, but it did happen.
(I just don't know where or when, though it was a little bit back)
Anime may be more mainstream then it used to be,
but there are still ALOT of people that act like ANYTHING from Japan is evil.  

[purpleravenhawk]

Okay, yeah, assuming I didn't have to pay much or travel far or deal with huge crowds.

Among the geek and even anime community, "otaku" actually has some VERY negative connotations. I'm surprised you would ally yourself with that one and not "fanboy."

Again, an extreme case. And probably pretty isolated. Most of these Japan-haters you're always talking about must be online cuz I've only met one around here.  

[xX Catgirl - Pierce Xx]

You have many restrictions on it ^^;

I guess it depends on your oppinion and the thought you get in your head when you hear a word.

They probably met online and decided to gather to be assholes.
Because most people don't have the courage to do something THAT disruptive by themselves.
I wonder if any of them will try that stunt again.
Personally I hope they all got arrested for disturbing the peace.  

[Tybarious]

*does cpr on purple*  

[purpleravenhawk]

I'm already breathing! scream *puts Ty in a bag and mails him to Alaska* xd  

[xX Catgirl - Pierce Xx]

LOL

*sends TY a letter*  

[Tybarious]

*returns and throws a snowman at purple* scream  

[xwhateverxdudex]

A whole snowman ???

O_O  

[Tybarious]

yep

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