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 Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:11 am
Hyper_Fox2 chibi_blue_mouse Phoenix347 chibi_blue_mouse Phoenix347 Hyper_Fox2 We now have an Organization member and the Kingdom Key D. biggrin Yay! I'm not the only evil person! *is the only thing he's really excited about* Well, at the very least, KKD doesn't think she's evil. XD The other one is just very cold-minded based on the information that she doesn't have a heart. Neither of them think they're being 'evil', but they definitely are going to make some of the wrong choices. XD Well with KH's, anyone who isn't with the main characters is technically evil. Even Organization 13 members who only wanted to retrieve a heart from Kingdom Hearts to have a heart. :'( Yeah, I'm gonna argue that point. Most of the Organization members were genuinely looking for a new heart. Did that mean that they thought they were doing evil deeds? Not necessarily, they were just making wrong choices. Like Axel, when he only wanted Roxas back because of the fact that he felt like he had a heart again around the kid. He made a wrong choice in kidnapping Kairi, but once he realized that, he tried everything to make up for it. Not evil, just a poor choice. Master Eraqus tried to KILL Ventus because he thought it would be protecting the light. Did he think that was an evil act? No. But it was a poor choice. Did that make him a villain? Yes, in Terra's eyes. Speaking of Terra, he's a main character, and also, technically a villain. He was misled and made a LOT of poor choices which led to his body being taken over and his armor ATTACKING Sora in the KH2 Final Mix. Evil? Not necessarily, but definitely influenced by poor choices. Even Riku in Kingdom Hearts 1. He wanted to help find Kairi's heart. And he made all the wrong choices in trying to protect a friend. Evil? Not really. A villain? Yes. The real tragedy in some of the best villians is that they think they are doing the right thing while making all the wrong choices. That's what I think makes them so much fun. ^-^ Agreed with and loved that entire thing biggrin Well, then there are those who just do it for the evuls, like Maleficent, and Oogie Boogie. They KNOW they're evil. And they love every second of it. XD And don't even get me STARTED on Master Xehanort. Okay, he's doing it for "Scientific purposes", but he KNOWS he's doing evil deeds to get what he wants. And BOY does he enjoy doing it. XD
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:12 am
Hyper_Fox2 chibi_blue_mouse Phoenix347 chibi_blue_mouse Phoenix347 Hyper_Fox2 We now have an Organization member and the Kingdom Key D. biggrin Yay! I'm not the only evil person! *is the only thing he's really excited about* Well, at the very least, KKD doesn't think she's evil. XD The other one is just very cold-minded based on the information that she doesn't have a heart. Neither of them think they're being 'evil', but they definitely are going to make some of the wrong choices. XD Well with KH's, anyone who isn't with the main characters is technically evil. Even Organization 13 members who only wanted to retrieve a heart from Kingdom Hearts to have a heart. :'( Yeah, I'm gonna argue that point. Most of the Organization members were genuinely looking for a new heart. Did that mean that they thought they were doing evil deeds? Not necessarily, they were just making wrong choices. Like Axel, when he only wanted Roxas back because of the fact that he felt like he had a heart again around the kid. He made a wrong choice in kidnapping Kairi, but once he realized that, he tried everything to make up for it. Not evil, just a poor choice. Master Eraqus tried to KILL Ventus because he thought it would be protecting the light. Did he think that was an evil act? No. But it was a poor choice. Did that make him a villain? Yes, in Terra's eyes. Speaking of Terra, he's a main character, and also, technically a villain. He was misled and made a LOT of poor choices which led to his body being taken over and his armor ATTACKING Sora in the KH2 Final Mix. Evil? Not necessarily, but definitely influenced by poor choices. Even Riku in Kingdom Hearts 1. He wanted to help find Kairi's heart. And he made all the wrong choices in trying to protect a friend. Evil? Not really. A villain? Yes. The real tragedy in some of the best villians is that they think they are doing the right thing while making all the wrong choices. That's what I think makes them so much fun. ^-^ Agreed with and loved that entire thing biggrin I think that was one of the pieces that made the characters in THE series good, they had reasons for their actions. Even some of the Disney villains on power trips in their animations had reason to do what they wanted. Although arguably theirs was more "I really really want to take kingdom hearts!" More than something they thought was good, and was bad but nevertheless. Those misinterpretation of the characters gave them depth that we could relate to. Riku thought Sora was just running around in the first kingdom Hearts while Riku was looking for Kairi's heart and when he realized his mistake he decided to walk a new path towards the dawn. While I want my character to have a similar path ad Riku, I'm still pondering how I will go about it. That cloak thing at the end was kind of a copout for me but I felt it would help for later. I should done it sooner XD
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:21 am
Phoenix347 Hyper_Fox2 chibi_blue_mouse Phoenix347 chibi_blue_mouse Well, at the very least, KKD doesn't think she's evil. XD The other one is just very cold-minded based on the information that she doesn't have a heart. Neither of them think they're being 'evil', but they definitely are going to make some of the wrong choices. XD Well with KH's, anyone who isn't with the main characters is technically evil. Even Organization 13 members who only wanted to retrieve a heart from Kingdom Hearts to have a heart. :'( Yeah, I'm gonna argue that point. Most of the Organization members were genuinely looking for a new heart. Did that mean that they thought they were doing evil deeds? Not necessarily, they were just making wrong choices. Like Axel, when he only wanted Roxas back because of the fact that he felt like he had a heart again around the kid. He made a wrong choice in kidnapping Kairi, but once he realized that, he tried everything to make up for it. Not evil, just a poor choice. Master Eraqus tried to KILL Ventus because he thought it would be protecting the light. Did he think that was an evil act? No. But it was a poor choice. Did that make him a villain? Yes, in Terra's eyes. Speaking of Terra, he's a main character, and also, technically a villain. He was misled and made a LOT of poor choices which led to his body being taken over and his armor ATTACKING Sora in the KH2 Final Mix. Evil? Not necessarily, but definitely influenced by poor choices. Even Riku in Kingdom Hearts 1. He wanted to help find Kairi's heart. And he made all the wrong choices in trying to protect a friend. Evil? Not really. A villain? Yes. The real tragedy in some of the best villians is that they think they are doing the right thing while making all the wrong choices. That's what I think makes them so much fun. ^-^ Agreed with and loved that entire thing biggrin I think that was one of the pieces that made the characters in THE series good, they had reasons for their actions. Even some of the Disney villains on power trips in their animations had reason to do what they wanted. Although arguably theirs was more "I really really want to take kingdom hearts!" More than something they thought was good, and was bad but nevertheless. Those misinterpretation of the characters gave them depth that we could relate to. Riku thought Sora was just running around in the first kingdom Hearts while Riku was looking for Kairi's heart and when he realized his mistake he decided to walk a new path towards the dawn. While I want my character to have a similar path ad Riku, I'm still pondering how I will go about it. That cloak thing at the end was kind of a copout for me but I felt it would help for later. I should done it sooner XD lol, Riku is also an inspiration for my keyblade wielder. At least in terms of motivation. She wants to protect people, but only the people she cares about. Others she doesn't care if she hurts them as long as those she cares about are okay. So her noble goal gets kinda garbled up in the poor execution. Kinda like Riku trying to help his friends. Funny thing is, I don't think the darkness is actually evil. I think the balance between light and dark is great, but that's just it. It has to be a balance. Having a world of all darkness is bad. Having a world that's all light is equally as bad. I think those who seek to keep the balance can use either light or dark, but they have to use it SOLELY to keep the balance, not to further their own ends or they'll fall to whatever they rely on more. It's fun to dive into the hearts of characters and their motivations and the moralities of light and dark. ^-^
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:24 am
chibi_blue_mouse Hyper_Fox2 chibi_blue_mouse Phoenix347 chibi_blue_mouse Well, at the very least, KKD doesn't think she's evil. XD The other one is just very cold-minded based on the information that she doesn't have a heart. Neither of them think they're being 'evil', but they definitely are going to make some of the wrong choices. XD Well with KH's, anyone who isn't with the main characters is technically evil. Even Organization 13 members who only wanted to retrieve a heart from Kingdom Hearts to have a heart. :'( Yeah, I'm gonna argue that point. Most of the Organization members were genuinely looking for a new heart. Did that mean that they thought they were doing evil deeds? Not necessarily, they were just making wrong choices. Like Axel, when he only wanted Roxas back because of the fact that he felt like he had a heart again around the kid. He made a wrong choice in kidnapping Kairi, but once he realized that, he tried everything to make up for it. Not evil, just a poor choice. Master Eraqus tried to KILL Ventus because he thought it would be protecting the light. Did he think that was an evil act? No. But it was a poor choice. Did that make him a villain? Yes, in Terra's eyes. Speaking of Terra, he's a main character, and also, technically a villain. He was misled and made a LOT of poor choices which led to his body being taken over and his armor ATTACKING Sora in the KH2 Final Mix. Evil? Not necessarily, but definitely influenced by poor choices. Even Riku in Kingdom Hearts 1. He wanted to help find Kairi's heart. And he made all the wrong choices in trying to protect a friend. Evil? Not really. A villain? Yes. The real tragedy in some of the best villians is that they think they are doing the right thing while making all the wrong choices. That's what I think makes them so much fun. ^-^ Agreed with and loved that entire thing biggrin Well, then there are those who just do it for the evuls, like Maleficent, and Oogie Boogie. They KNOW they're evil. And they love every second of it. XD And don't even get me STARTED on Master Xehanort. Okay, he's doing it for "Scientific purposes", but he KNOWS he's doing evil deeds to get what he wants. And BOY does he enjoy doing it. XD True that although I want to know what happened in Xehanort's past that caused him to act in this way.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:28 am
Hyper_Fox2 chibi_blue_mouse Hyper_Fox2 chibi_blue_mouse Phoenix347 chibi_blue_mouse Well, at the very least, KKD doesn't think she's evil. XD The other one is just very cold-minded based on the information that she doesn't have a heart. Neither of them think they're being 'evil', but they definitely are going to make some of the wrong choices. XD Well with KH's, anyone who isn't with the main characters is technically evil. Even Organization 13 members who only wanted to retrieve a heart from Kingdom Hearts to have a heart. :'( Yeah, I'm gonna argue that point. Most of the Organization members were genuinely looking for a new heart. Did that mean that they thought they were doing evil deeds? Not necessarily, they were just making wrong choices. Like Axel, when he only wanted Roxas back because of the fact that he felt like he had a heart again around the kid. He made a wrong choice in kidnapping Kairi, but once he realized that, he tried everything to make up for it. Not evil, just a poor choice. Master Eraqus tried to KILL Ventus because he thought it would be protecting the light. Did he think that was an evil act? No. But it was a poor choice. Did that make him a villain? Yes, in Terra's eyes. Speaking of Terra, he's a main character, and also, technically a villain. He was misled and made a LOT of poor choices which led to his body being taken over and his armor ATTACKING Sora in the KH2 Final Mix. Evil? Not necessarily, but definitely influenced by poor choices. Even Riku in Kingdom Hearts 1. He wanted to help find Kairi's heart. And he made all the wrong choices in trying to protect a friend. Evil? Not really. A villain? Yes. The real tragedy in some of the best villians is that they think they are doing the right thing while making all the wrong choices. That's what I think makes them so much fun. ^-^ Agreed with and loved that entire thing biggrin Well, then there are those who just do it for the evuls, like Maleficent, and Oogie Boogie. They KNOW they're evil. And they love every second of it. XD And don't even get me STARTED on Master Xehanort. Okay, he's doing it for "Scientific purposes", but he KNOWS he's doing evil deeds to get what he wants. And BOY does he enjoy doing it. XD True that although I want to know what happened in Xehanort's past that caused him to act in this way. I think he's one of the "Lost Masters" from Kingdom Hearts X(Chi) who started the first keyblade war and has lived so long by body snatching. XD And now he wants to start another keyblade war to try and get his hands on the XBlade. I think that's why he started the first war. He wanted the XBlade. But it shattered. So he's trying to get it again. XD
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:49 am
chibi_blue_mouse I think he's one of the "Lost Masters" from Kingdom Hearts X(Chi) who started the first keyblade war and has lived so long by body snatching. XD And now he wants to start another keyblade war to try and get his hands on the XBlade. I think that's why he started the first war. He wanted the XBlade. But it shattered. So he's trying to get it again. XD I actually ha to watch a video telling the story up to KHII, and xanahort is trying to rebuild the X-blade which can unlock Kingdom Hearts. Problem was that the blade shattered into 20 pieces. 13 of darkness and 7 of light. So to recollect te pieces, he went back in time to tell his former sell and laid the groundwork for organization 13 to be the host for the 13 pieces, and 7 princess of heart for the light.(as far as memory and logic serves) so like the first one, the overall goal is to reach kingdom hearts. Xanahort is probably the greatest villain mastermind of all when you realize everything he's influenced. Also, the original keyblade war was fought for possession of the x-blade but none survived. Xanahort split Vertus into to for a dark and light heart to fuse them to make his x-blade. It was shattered and thus we reach the current time where Xanahort's plan make come together after god knows how long, and kingdom hearts is opened up.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:10 am
Phoenix347 chibi_blue_mouse I think he's one of the "Lost Masters" from Kingdom Hearts X(Chi) who started the first keyblade war and has lived so long by body snatching. XD And now he wants to start another keyblade war to try and get his hands on the XBlade. I think that's why he started the first war. He wanted the XBlade. But it shattered. So he's trying to get it again. XD I actually ha to watch a video telling the story up to KHII, and xanahort is trying to rebuild the X-blade which can unlock Kingdom Hearts. Problem was that the blade shattered into 20 pieces. 13 of darkness and 7 of light. So to recollect te pieces, he went back in time to tell his former sell and laid the groundwork for organization 13 to be the host for the 13 pieces, and 7 princess of heart for the light.(as far as memory and logic serves) so like the first one, the overall goal is to reach kingdom hearts. Xanahort is probably the greatest villain mastermind of all when you realize everything he's influenced. Also, the original keyblade war was fought for possession of the x-blade but none survived. Xanahort split Vertus into to for a dark and light heart to fuse them to make his x-blade. It was shattered and thus we reach the current time where Xanahort's plan make come together after god knows how long, and kingdom hearts is opened up. I love when the influence of just one person can distort everything in a series ^-^ It reminds me of Naruto,
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:11 am
Phoenix347 chibi_blue_mouse I think he's one of the "Lost Masters" from Kingdom Hearts X(Chi) who started the first keyblade war and has lived so long by body snatching. XD And now he wants to start another keyblade war to try and get his hands on the XBlade. I think that's why he started the first war. He wanted the XBlade. But it shattered. So he's trying to get it again. XD I actually ha to watch a video telling the story up to KHII, and xanahort is trying to rebuild the X-blade which can unlock Kingdom Hearts. Problem was that the blade shattered into 20 pieces. 13 of darkness and 7 of light. So to recollect te pieces, he went back in time to tell his former sell and laid the groundwork for organization 13 to be the host for the 13 pieces, and 7 princess of heart for the light.(as far as memory and logic serves) so like the first one, the overall goal is to reach kingdom hearts. Xanahort is probably the greatest villain mastermind of all when you realize everything he's influenced. Also, the original keyblade war was fought for possession of the x-blade but none survived. Xanahort split Vertus into to for a dark and light heart to fuse them to make his x-blade. It was shattered and thus we reach the current time where Xanahort's plan make come together after god knows how long, and kingdom hearts is opened up. I just can't wait for Kingdom Hearts 3 to come out! I really want to know how the Xehanort Arc will end! biggrin
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:31 am
I feel like my characters have been placed inside a bubble. XP They have no one to interact with besides themselves. XP I'm wondering if I should split them up. Have one of them find the good keyblade wielders and have the other go do their own thing . . . or something.
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:06 am
chibi_blue_mouse I feel like my characters have been placed inside a bubble. XP They have no one to interact with besides themselves. XP I'm wondering if I should split them up. Have one of them find the good keyblade wielders and have the other go do their own thing . . . or something. I could always orchestrate my heartless to give you something to respond to.
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:32 pm
Phoenix347 chibi_blue_mouse I feel like my characters have been placed inside a bubble. XP They have no one to interact with besides themselves. XP I'm wondering if I should split them up. Have one of them find the good keyblade wielders and have the other go do their own thing . . . or something. I could always orchestrate my heartless to give you something to respond to. That'd be nice. ^-^
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:24 am
So, I was thinking since we're playing the twins, we should probably communicate on when we want them to meet up in the roleplay. I was thinking that they shouldn't meet up until a few worlds later. So that maybe Noel can learn to stand on her own two feet a bit, and Nicole can make some sort of misunderstanding from her sister's newfound confidence that sends her further down the dark side. Either way, them meeting up in this world doesn't seem like it'd do much to add conflict to the story. Except that Xelona would try and pull Nicole away from the 'good' keyblade wielders, and the others would likely try and warn Noel about the dangers of the 'dark' keyblade and how the Organization is evil and stuff. Kinda a weak reason for the sisters to split on their paths of light and dark. What do you think?
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:09 pm
chibi_blue_mouse So, I was thinking since we're playing the twins, we should probably communicate on when we want them to meet up in the roleplay. I was thinking that they shouldn't meet up until a few worlds later. So that maybe Noel can learn to stand on her own two feet a bit, and Nicole can make some sort of misunderstanding from her sister's newfound confidence that sends her further down the dark side. Either way, them meeting up in this world doesn't seem like it'd do much to add conflict to the story. Except that Xelona would try and pull Nicole away from the 'good' keyblade wielders, and the others would likely try and warn Noel about the dangers of the 'dark' keyblade and how the Organization is evil and stuff. Kinda a weak reason for the sisters to split on their paths of light and dark. What do you think? Sorry for the late response. This weekend has been hectic and things won't calm down until Tuesday. Anyways, I agree with that what you're saying. They shouldn't meet up until they developed their powers and characters a bit. However, I think there has to be more than just Noel's newfound confidence or Nicole being pulled to the dark side to turn these two against each other. Maybe Nicole has some kind of resentment towards her sister because the kindness and compassion she has for both friend and foe, especially for her foes.
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:37 pm
Yuri_Misawa chibi_blue_mouse So, I was thinking since we're playing the twins, we should probably communicate on when we want them to meet up in the roleplay. I was thinking that they shouldn't meet up until a few worlds later. So that maybe Noel can learn to stand on her own two feet a bit, and Nicole can make some sort of misunderstanding from her sister's newfound confidence that sends her further down the dark side. Either way, them meeting up in this world doesn't seem like it'd do much to add conflict to the story. Except that Xelona would try and pull Nicole away from the 'good' keyblade wielders, and the others would likely try and warn Noel about the dangers of the 'dark' keyblade and how the Organization is evil and stuff. Kinda a weak reason for the sisters to split on their paths of light and dark. What do you think? Sorry for the late response. This weekend has been hectic and things won't calm down until Tuesday. Anyways, I agree with that what you're saying. They shouldn't meet up until they developed their powers and characters a bit. However, I think there has to be more than just Noel's newfound confidence or Nicole being pulled to the dark side to turn these two against each other. Maybe Nicole has some kind of resentment towards her sister because the kindness and compassion she has for both friend and foe, especially for her foes. Or resentment towards Noel's companions for keeping her. That sorta missunderstanding that they are keeping her there, that she's forgotten about her sister(nicole) Like Maleficent did to Riku.
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:45 pm
Phoenix347 Yuri_Misawa Sorry for the late response. This weekend has been hectic and things won't calm down until Tuesday. Anyways, I agree with that what you're saying. They shouldn't meet up until they developed their powers and characters a bit. However, I think there has to be more than just Noel's newfound confidence or Nicole being pulled to the dark side to turn these two against each other. Maybe Nicole has some kind of resentment towards her sister because the kindness and compassion she has for both friend and foe, especially for her foes. Or resentment towards Noel's companions for keeping her. That sorta missunderstanding that they are keeping her there, that she's forgotten about her sister(nicole) Like Maleficent did to Riku. Yeah, I can understand a sibling rivalry thing, but the way I've originally characterized Nicole is as the protector. She's built her life basically around protecting her sister from dangers. Phoenix basically just summarized the idea I was going for. If Nicole perceives Noel as no longer needing her, or even replacing her, she's gonna go through a huge identity crisis and it WILL lead towards resentment. It's kinda like how Sora really didn't have any beef with Riku until he actually started getting in the way and really serving the wrong side, but Riku got PISSED that Sora was having his own adventures with people he percieved as having 'replaced' him. But yeah, I'm glad we agree on not having the girls meet up just yet. ^-^
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