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 Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:49 pm
The Melodious M -Nycus- One thing motivates me to be an Atheist and that is science.
If anything, from my scientific background, I have seen science to support the idea of God.
But hey, that's just me.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:41 pm
Proof that Jesus existed? More like proof that a guy named Jesus went around pretending to be a profet. And another thing. They weren't written by Jesus, they are second hand accounts. It is the same thing as watercooler gosip. Like Christians wouldn't make up stories to prove that their religion was right. confused
And if your going to believe in a religion you should believe in it all, or believe in none of it. It doesn't make sense to say that your religion is right except this this and this.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:49 pm
Jesus did exist. You can't deny that. It's historical. What is debated is whether he was what some say he was.
I know he didn't write the bible. I don't use the bible to make my beliefs, as I said. Plus, it really is a primary source, since the men who wrote it were the disciples and actually knew Jesus. If all second hand information was water cooler gossip, we'd have no history books. razz
Weren't you the one who said that organized religon makes people stupid? That we should make our own views and not just stick to a specific code written by the chruch? Seeing as I'm a minor, I can't convert any time soon. I don't think I ever will due to too much effort, but I find it to make perfect sense that I believe in a higher power, but not neccesarily agree with everything the church said. You should be happy; I'm thinking for myself here.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:15 pm
Again, proof that a guy named Jesus went around pretending to be a profit, writen in your bible, which I don't find to be true. The is no proof what so ever that he ever existed.
Yeah, the people who wrote it knew Jesus. Even more reason for them to lie and make up stories. Those stories could be completely made up by them to show that Christianity is right.
Once again, History has been proven, nothing in the bible has been proven. When we find bones of hundreds of ancient people with swords sticking out of them and shields. I think it is a safe assumption to say that there was probably a war there.
Religon does make people stupid. I just don't think it is right for people to call themselves Christian if all they do is believe in a higher power. The bible being completely true, is just as much a part of being Christian as believing in a god.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:30 pm
You obviously don't know much about the Christian religons. There are many, many religons that are Christian, and all of them have different interpretations of the bible. As a Catholic, I'm actually following my religon to not take the bible literaly. Being Christian does not mean believing the bible to be completely true at all. Considering you aren't Christian, I'm not too sure why you think you know what a Christian is. Plus, I have more beliefs than just that of a higher power. I've yet to list my beliefs in any place on Gaia, so I'm not really sure how you assume you know what I believe.
This really isn't worth debate anymore. It is historical fact a man named Jesus existed. He existed. Period. Do you need me to do some research for you? It's odd that you don't know this, since pretty much everybody knows he was indeed alive. It is if he was everythng the Christian religons say he was that is up in the air, not that he actually existed. :/
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:20 am
I dont want to get into the debate much and I am sorry if I am wrong but I believe there are roman atheist accounts of a man calling himself the messiah with many followers, its in a poem and some ancient books, I know the poem exists but I can't remember what its called. Anyway there is more then the Bible to prove a man called Jesus existed calling himself the son of God.
Anyway I will keep out the debate as I am as far from an atheist as you can get, I just wanted to point out there are documents in existence and yes they can be fake but they still exist to show there was indeed a man called Jesus who was crucified.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:39 am
All these documents were written by people who believe in him. They will lie to make it seem like they are right. I don't care what they have to say. Show me a Buddist who wrote a book on how Jesus existed and went around parting the sea and healing people. I have not found appropiate evidence to show that he exists. He didn't exist. Period. It isn't a historical fact, until they start teaching it in a standard history class.
I'm not assuming anything about you. But you can sit there and assume I don't know anything about the Christian religion, when I know plenty. The higher power thing was an example. One of the belief's that you said that you have.
Your right this really isn't worth debating. I'm not gullible, I don't believe people unless they aren't objective.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:18 am
I wish melodious could be here to defend herself. She's a dear friend of mine and she told me she was banned. I've known her for quite some time and I'm not sure why she has been banned. I must say she is one of the kindest people I have met. If you wish to hear what she has to say you should send her a pm. Well I got to go. I have no wish to participate in this debate but I thought you should all know why she wasn't answering.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:55 am
I saw your locked thread in the main forum. I didn't know she was banned until then. No, I don't want to PM her, because I can argue this with almost any Christian and get the same cheesey answers.
Next of all, I don't care who was/is your friend. Just because you think she is kind does not make it so. People aren't banned here for no reason, she probably didn't follow one of the rules.
Lastly, don't post in a debate topic unless you plan on debating, or atleast dropping your opinion.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:51 pm
Personally, I don't believe in God, simply because I have no reason to. I believe in myself. I haven't seen anything to really prove there is a God or higher power.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:23 pm
I choose not to believe in a god who is a false idol. I think if god were truly a being in this world that he would have never written/given commands through another human being. Beings are naturally selfish and distrustful creatures. I personally refuse to believe that any one being would make it's creatures so.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:20 am
i don't like most religions because they guilt trip the worshipers to do things, like give money, food, time to the church, and or other religious facility
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:20 am
Well I will give one reason, and one reason only for my rejection of any "religion" that is based around the "holy Bible."
One of the commandments states not to murder.
In the bible (I forget which book because it was so long ago that I read it), 'god' tells his chosen people to kill a neighboring race for their dissbelief in him. He tells his chosen people to wipe them out, including the women and the children.
Enough said.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:32 pm
I laugh, I love, I hope, I try, I hurt, I need, I fear, I cry. Why are people "motivated" about being an Atheist? confused
It's a belief (or the lack there-of), not a task or a job. You become motivated to not suck at your job or to finally clean off your desk after a year of letting papers stack up--you don't, however, become motivated to believe (or not believe) in a religion. That's called gaining/losing faith. And I know you do the same things, too. So we're really not that different, me and you.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:12 pm
I honestly just don't believe in God.
I was raised a christian, I went to church EVERY sunday
& yet I never believed.
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