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 Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:09 am
Bob of the Room Remove David Schmutte I agree with gay marage but I just recently realized the other sides argument, correct me if im wrong but is marrige not a union between a man and a women? Yes thats right. Homosexuality has been around for years, the Greeks use to practice it often. Men married a women and had sexual relationships with younger men. So it has been around for ages and yet marriage was made between a man and women. SO sure let gays be joined just don't call it marriage. Sorry but unless there is proof which there isn't, there is only speculation I don't believe that there is a 'gay gene' just like I don't believe there is a 'murder gene'. The choice may be an unconscious one there is nothing to say it is a choice you will consciously make but I think its a choice none the less or maybe a different balance of chemicals in the brain. That is my opinion and will be until there is proof otherwise. Here's proof. A guy...he's gay. He doesn't get a boner at the sight of women. He gets a boner at the sight of an oiled, muscled man. Oh, done. It's not a choice anymore. Thank you!
I understand people are entitiled to there own opinion.
But Homosexuality isn't a choice.
I did not chose to be bi, I did not chose to fall in love with a girl.
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:46 pm
I really don't like people who are against Gays and Lesbians. They can be who they want, and they're not supposed to live their lives by other people's standards. I agree that it's right for people to be happy with what they want. Just because people are different than you doesn't mean you have to make it a law that they can't do what they want. I have absolutely no problem with Gays. I'm Straight, but still I have gay friends and people give them a hard time.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:26 am
Kira Lynn Winters Thank you!
I understand people are entitiled to there own opinion.
But Homosexuality isn't a choice.
I did not chose to be bi, I did not chose to fall in love with a girl. Maybe not consiously, but there is no way you can prove that you didn't choose subconsiously. Also, your case is one case. Which demonstrates one person, not a group.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:44 pm
marshjazz 1) There is no way to prove that people are born with a sexuality. So either link me or stop tring to make absolute truths out of opinions. Personally, I believe that it has to do with some sort of hormone imbalence which develops at puberty. And that while people are going through puberty, there hormones are so unstable that subconsciously people have some control, but not as much. That if someone wants to be gay they can be but if their hormones are really saying otherwise they end up bi. I agree with that.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:10 am
marshjazz Kira Lynn Winters Thank you!
I understand people are entitiled to there own opinion.
But Homosexuality isn't a choice.
I did not chose to be bi, I did not chose to fall in love with a girl. Maybe not consiously, but there is no way you can prove that you didn't choose subconsiously. Also, your case is one case. Which demonstrates one person, not a group. I understand where you are comming from, But, if that is the case, and we do choose subconsioulsy, then it still really isnt a choice because we cant control it.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:03 am
@ Remove: Glad you understand what I was saying because part way through that I started to get a little confused with what I was saying.
@Kira: Yes, but if it is done how I see it or even subconsiously then they aren't born with it. I don't believe there is a gay gene, and if there was I'd think the world would end, it is just that impossible to me. My logic is this: 2 straight parents have a kid, s/he ends up gay. The kids grandparents and great-grandparents are straight. Anything higher wouldn't matter because the gene would have been bread out by the time it reached the kid. The whole gay gene doesn't even make sense - genes are physical characteristics, not who you are attracted to. So, in my personal opinion, there is no way there is a gay gene, therefore no way that peoples sexuality is predetermined before birth. Also if there wa a gay gene how do you explain why people in elementary school aren't declaring a sexuality. Usually actual attraction to people doesn't develop until high school or atleast middle school. Are you proposing that the gene doesn't become active until puberty because then it would have to do with puberty and with unstable hormones, which would have to do more with my theory than a gay gene.
Also, I am not disagreeing with you. Sometimes sexuality isn't a chioce, but sometimes it is. There are more sexualities than just homosexual, heterosexual, and bisexual. There is also asexual (no one) and metrosexual (I forget, I think something to do with sex changes? sweatdrop )
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:38 am
I see your point.
I don't think it's right ot say it's a choice, and I also don't think it's right to say it's a gene either.
I think it does have to do with puberty though, and just the way certant people's hormones devlope. (I hope I'm making sense. sweatdrop )
Yes there is alot more then homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual, theres pansexual (everyone, transexuals, male, female.)
I think it's a chemical thing in the brain, like ADD, and ADHD. That kind of thing.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:23 pm
Well your opinion is respectable. I thought you were saying that it was pre determined before birth, which I completely disagree with.
At one point I was thinking it was like that, but then I relized that hormones have more to do with attraction that your brain does, however that is completely plausable and probably even part of it.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:38 pm
band4ever101 I have gay friends and they inspired the thought of this thread. I didnt see a topic like this but if there is feel free to lock this thread. I just want your opinions. Mine are that if you are in love then you are. I dont think one chooses to be gay its just the way they are. I could never wake up and just say...ok today I'm deciding to be gay from now on. Tell me what you think? <3 i agree with you. that's why i don't like those sexual orientation words.. "i'm straight." "i'm lesbian." etc. etc. b/c it can instantly change. you never know.. as i say, love has no boundaries: love has no age, no race, no gender.. love is love. i know 3 people [myself included] who thought they were "straight" and ended up falling for the same gender. there's nothing wrong with that. so if you would HAVE to label [since everyone likes to label people, right?? wink ], i guess i would "label" everyone as bi. but it sounds like it doesn't make sense.. which is why i don't believe in labels..
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:45 pm
marshjazz I'm moderate. While I think it is none of anybody's bisuness who anyone marries, I think that it might have a negitive effect on society and me. I think by allowing gay marrige divorce rates will rise as people think they are gay and then find out that they aren't. And alsobn if gays were allowed to be married all the adoption agencies might become empty, and it will become really hard to adopt a kid, which is good, unless you are one of the few straight people who would want to adopt a child. Since you can have a child and are straight, gay people will probably end up getting the preference. I'm not garenteeing this will happen, I just see it as a sad possibility. I have some "gay" friends and "bi" friends, and they partially influence me to be for it, but I'm just moderate, I can't make up my mind either way. As for choosing to be gay, you'd be surprized. I know atleast one person right off the top of my head that choose to be bi, and she only did it for the attension. She thinks it makes her fit in better with some of her older friends. that bothers me that you would want adoption agencies to be full just so that straight people can adopt. the problem is that the children don't have anyone to take care of them. that's why their in the adoption agencies. if there's someone who can adopt them and will treat them right, then, by all means, they should be adopted by that person. now if the agencies do give preference to gay couples [which i doubt they would because there may be some out there that think it's "bad" for children to grow up in an "unnatural" environment.. scream ], that is wrong. another thing, adoption centers will never be empty. there will always be foolish people out there making foolish choices and end up getting a surprise in their bellies.. hopefully they wise up and give that child up to adoption rather than abort it. crying
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:20 pm
It can bother you all you want. The fact of the matter is, if/until abortions become illegal that is the way I see it. (please oh please let that never happen) Straight people have just as much of a right to adopt as gay people. However when gay people start adopting, there will be less and less kids avaliable, and that is just the way I see it. I've already gone throught this with everyone else who posted and I don't intend to go through it with you.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:07 pm
marshjazz Well your opinion is respectable. I thought you were saying that it was pre determined before birth, which I completely disagree with. At one point I was thinking it was like that, but then I relized that hormones have more to do with attraction that your brain does, however that is completely plausable and probably even part of it.
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:57 am
One case is not representative to all.
Everyone says girls have cooties, so who does he turn to? Boys, hanging out with them makes them seem way better. Why go out with a girl.
And you said it yourself. A 7 year old hasn't gone through puberty yet. Kids just copy the older kids dating until they go through puberty they aren't really attracted to anybody. Atleast in my opinion.
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:21 pm
I know one case isn't representative to all, but it could refute the whole argument. And it's not that he turned to boys because everyone thought that girls had cooties, he thought that his thinking was considered normal because of that. Also sure, younger kids may copy dating, but it's not like they can copy who they're attracted to. When I was 6, I was attracted to a boy before I even knew what attraction actually was.
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:37 pm
Well what is normal in this world? Not much.
The idea that "girls had cooties" may have encouraged him to become gay. He was hanging around other guys at the time and not around girls. I stand by my theory.
Just because kids haven't gone through puberty, doesn't mean they don't have hormones.
Also part of my theory has to do with subconscious and conscious thought, so in a way it still fits my theory.
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