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 Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:54 pm
Tenchi_ Masaki Momiji Akiko Tenchi_ Masaki Ayorai Tenchi_ Masaki so how is banning guns a bad thing? if that happens you wont get ny og your crazy assed students shooting up schools, lol either way your countries doomed =S, mines down the tubes already sad Yes, lets ban guns, so that the only people that have them are THE criminals... 2nd Amendment, thank you. If teachers had guns, victims of school shootings would decrease... the students shooting people with guns had them ILLEGALLY, thus lets have no guns to protect ourselves from these criminals... ha banning guns does work look where i live it has been done if we cn do it so can you.... in ireland ppl died due to god etc but now ppl cant even get more guns illegaly smile though granted your countries way bigger so will take longer but we cleaned guns of our streets i am sure you lot can do it too Love Ireland, land of my ancestral heritage, but a banning an person's right to self protection is the wrong decision no matter the reason... see now the cowaridce of america shows, you need a fire arm to defend yourself pfft bloody pathetic my opinion of you americans went down a couple of notches, but for frame of mind, recently a law has been pased here for ppl to defend there homes from attack or robberys withouth persucation (not splet right i am sure) you are allowed to own a baseball bt /cricket to drive off your attackers not pump them full of lead. Granted gun crime etc has died here now literally by banning all guns but personally to me you all think a gund gives you power so you need one for protection just mkes me sick -.- (I apologise if i have caused any offence to my friends here) thats all i say now on the subject ^^ *sets besides yami + kaggie and gives them a soda So for a women to have gun to protect herself from a rapist or serial killer is pathetic? We also have a gang problem in America, so take away all guns they still have the numbers and if they want to invade your home, rob you, or even kill you, what then? Not sure about Ireland but Criminals in the US are not noble and have no honor, so take away the only deterrent and what do you have left to defend yourself?
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:52 pm
"But on the thought of living murder and own dna here are some things to think about
a sperm is living, a egg sell is living, any cell is alive be it single or multi."
Sperm and eggs have the DNA of the contributor, Embryo's have their own unique DNA, so thats not even equatable...
The thing is that just because a sperm and egg meet doesn't make the union of the two cells into a new cell that divids any different then two skin cells that divid.
"I never heard that the new embryo has its own DNA"
It does,,so I guess they don't teach you much in sex ED, no wonder the school system is failing..
"but if you want to look at it that way then we shouldn't cure cancer.
baised on my knowledge of cancer, its a result of mutated and abnormal DNA that is not the same as the healthy cells around it.
a healthy skin cell and a cancer skin cell from the same person comes from the same person, but one will have DNA that isn't 100% the same as the other. some strands of DNA in one cell might have different genes that have turned on or off and become dominat or rececive."
The DNA in every cell of your body are the same, you don't know forensics very well do you? And the cancer cell doesn't have a different DNA but contorted DNA, same DNA though, guess you don't know cancer very well either. Also comparing a baby to cancer is just disgusting, I ask you never make such a comparison again...
"The egg is living (normally) before the sperm reaches it, the sperm is living (normally) before it reaches the egg, both join and the new zygote/embro (i forget the order of naming) is living, but only at the level of a normal cell."
Again, They have the same DNA as the contributer until they merge...
"Really if you think about it as fast as Zygote/embro grows its like cancer in a way. I mean both involves the rapid dividing of cells into new ones."
No, not even close, and again you continue to make an ludicrous comparison...
"We could argue about the morality of abortions nonstop and not get anywhere, but the fact is that it just depends on how you look at things."
Facts are facts, doesn't matter how you look at it
If science can prove that there is more life in a newly formed Zygote/Embryo then there is in a cancer or normal cell then i'll rethink my stance on it, but up until a certain stage all it is, is a mass of cells that is no different then the ones i kill by scratching my head.
I'll put to you a question since logic doesn't seem to be your strong suite. When at what point can you say "it is life today, but it wasn't yesterday"?
"Abortion has been around as long as prositution and adoption if not longer.
I mean they have plants in the rain forest that the locals use for protection of abortions. The women are free to self administer the medicine that is made from the plant to cause a misscarrigage."
So has Cannibalism whats your point?
"I was raised a catholic, but if i can look at things in a borader more scientific way then why can't everyone else?"
The only religious angle in this for me is that its wrong to kill life, scientifically it is life, so killing is more scientific?
"My mother has a paper thin uterus that caused her to be bed rested with me, and 5 months into her pregnancy with my sister caused her to misscarry when it ripped.
I know how she felt when she lost the baby, but by then it was already formed enough to be called human."
A bumby mass of fleshy cells and a fetus are two different things, especially when the heart has started working.
A human is not alive with out a beating heart, so i use that same rule in my feelings on the thought of abortion.
Its ok up until the heart starts beating, and after 6-7 months that baby can be c-sectioned and given a chance to live and not be aborted."
Wrong, Heart beat starts 22 days after conception, not even a month. So in your book life begins at 22 days after conception, so after 22 days its murder then right?
I'm not sure about the truth in this but apparently from what my mom said she saw on the tv, when they abort higher trimester fetuses they are still alive in a sink for days and under the law can't receive medical treatment. I mean if it is going live that long then the hospital could at least try to keep it alive, but they won't because of funding and stuff. My mom said a nurse testified (not in court) to Obama that this kind of thing goes on.
"Though i believe in Abortion up to a point (before heart beats), I feel that carrying a baby to a safe enough time (5-7 months) and given as much chance to live as any premy is the direction we should take."
22 days After Conception
Killing the mass of cells is okay in my book until the heart beat, then i'm against abortion, but after that let it go through or go as far enough where it can be safely extracted and given a chance to live like a premy. I was a month (2 months technically) preamy, i had the cord wraped around my neck and when i was born the doctors screw my arm up and thought they broke it and my neck.
"I understand people's feelings on abortion, but i can't understand people's obsession with calling it murder just because it was made the bibical sense and could be a human being if given a chance."
Human life is human life, and the taking of human life is murder, don't need a bible to tell you that..
"People will b***h and moan until judgement day about this, but until we can compromise enough and meet half way it'll never stop."
Yes, cause God orders that we compromise his law with sinners, right?
"I like to try and meet as close to half way as my religion and faith in science can allow"
You mean secular interpretation of science. Science can be looked at in anyway to interpret anything.
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:25 am
geez get laid people you are too strung up rolleyes
and to answer the 22 days thing then yes it would be murder in a sense, i had thought it would have to take longer since it wouldn't probaly look anything like a human that short time in but if there is a heart beat that is noticable and that pumps blood through the fetus then yes it has enough life to be called human at least i think, but i'd rather not get into a debate about when does it have a soul. stare
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:12 am
umm new subject whos being what for halloween!
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:53 am
Tenchi_ Masaki umm new subject whos being what for halloween! A killer Jack Jester
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:41 pm
Yami Takashi geez get laid people you are too strung up rolleyes and to answer the 22 days thing then yes it would be murder in a sense, i had thought it would have to take longer since it wouldn't probaly look anything like a human that short time in but if there is a heart beat that is noticable and that pumps blood through the fetus then yes it has enough life to be called human at least i think, but i'd rather not get into a debate about when does it have a soul. stare Actually, I have no desire to have sex, so even if people get strung up about it, I wouldn't anyway... Scientifically, which you like to try to be, there cannot be proven there is even a soul, but according to Scripture its at conception; ( Psalms 139:13-16) For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them.
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:56 pm
I am Mr. Freeze IRL so I'll have piccies when my costume is finished ninja
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:22 pm
I'm Miroku from Inuyasha...as a Drow...
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:54 pm
Tenchi_ Masaki so how is banning guns a bad thing? if that happens you wont get ny og your crazy assed students shooting up schools, lol either way your countries doomed =S, mines down the tubes already sad Seriously are you THAT ignorant of America?! Florida releases a law stating EVERYBODY who CAN get a gun SHOULD get a gun. Meaning LESS GUN CONTROL. Guess what?! Florida + Less Gun Control Laws = LESS GUN CRIME Texas + Lots of Guns + Low gun control = LESS Gun Crime New York City + Washington DC + HIGH GUN CONTROL = HIGH Gun Crime City that banned Guns = No guns turned in ONLY ONE recorded case of a person with a FIREARM LICENSE was involved in the SHOOTING of a COP. Guess what?! That person with the LEGAL GUN...SAVED...the life of that COP. PLUS if JAPAN can get MOST of their ILLEGAL Guns from America...why can't America get illegal guns from Mexico or Canada? Lots of POOR MEXICAN + High guns = Mexicans NOT selling guns?! SERIOUSLY!? Poor Mexicans + High Guns = LOTS of ILLEGAL Guns in America. LOTS of ILLEGAL Guns = WAAAAY more CRIMINALS have guns then NON-CRIMINALS If you did your research you'd find out that OVER HALF of the places with HIGH GUN CONTROL have the HIGHEST GUN CRIME. Before you EVER say ANYTHING to SUPPORT LOTS OF CRIME...or CLAIM that your so called "solution" will fix things...GO DO RESEARCH!!
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:06 am
2NA I'm Miroku from Inuyasha...as a Drow... XD Da Blue Miroku! blaugh
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:54 am
Momiji Akiko Yami Takashi geez get laid people you are too strung up rolleyes and to answer the 22 days thing then yes it would be murder in a sense, i had thought it would have to take longer since it wouldn't probaly look anything like a human that short time in but if there is a heart beat that is noticable and that pumps blood through the fetus then yes it has enough life to be called human at least i think, but i'd rather not get into a debate about when does it have a soul. stare Actually, I have no desire to have sex, so even if people get strung up about it, I wouldn't anyway... Scientifically, which you like to try to be, there cannot be proven there is even a soul, but according to Scripture its at conception; ( Psalms 139:13-16) For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them. did people who write scripture even know about conception? i mean did they even know that the white stuff soaks the egg and it can make a baby?
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:03 am
2NA I'm Miroku from Inuyasha...as a Drow... XD Miroku's my second favorite Inuyasha character, Right after Shippo.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:11 am
Momiji Akiko 2NA I'm Miroku from Inuyasha...as a Drow... XD Da Blue Miroku! blaugh I should probably go back to human, since the blue kinda throws the look off a bit...but it was simply too tempting to try out the Dark Elf look... whee Monom Miroku's my second favorite Inuyasha character, Right after Shippo. Shippo is pretty awesome, true... 3nodding My actual favorite character is Sango...but I'm not gonna even try to do that look... xd
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:46 pm
Yami Takashi did people who write scripture even know about conception? i mean did they even know that the white stuff soaks the egg and it can make a baby? Just because they don't know the science behind it, doesn't mean it's not true. Bible: The Sins of the Father pass down to the 3rd and 4th generation. Science: Alcoholism is just ONE example of genetics, of bad stuff that passes down through the family lines. Did the writers of The Bible understand genetics? No. Did it make that passage any less true? Of course not.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:14 pm
Yami Takashi Momiji Akiko Yami Takashi geez get laid people you are too strung up rolleyes and to answer the 22 days thing then yes it would be murder in a sense, i had thought it would have to take longer since it wouldn't probaly look anything like a human that short time in but if there is a heart beat that is noticable and that pumps blood through the fetus then yes it has enough life to be called human at least i think, but i'd rather not get into a debate about when does it have a soul. stare Actually, I have no desire to have sex, so even if people get strung up about it, I wouldn't anyway... Scientifically, which you like to try to be, there cannot be proven there is even a soul, but according to Scripture its at conception; ( Psalms 139:13-16) For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them. did people who write scripture even know about conception? i mean did they even know that the white stuff soaks the egg and it can make a baby? You'd be surprised at what the ancients actually knew, perhaps you should watch the Science Channel's 'What the Ancients Knew'. And the semen doesn't soak the egg, it only takes one sperm cell to force itself into the egg...
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