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 Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:57 pm
@ yokomotoz: Again, awesomely put. I think some people around here need to look up the word "debate." Which, BTW does not mean "flame war." ...you know what? I'll do y'all a favor and define "debate" for you.
debate |diˈbāt| noun a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward. • an argument about a particular subject, esp. one in which many people are involved : the national debate on abortion | there has been much debate about prices. verb [ trans. ] argue about (a subject), esp. in a formal manner : the board debated his proposal | the date when people first entered America is hotly debated. • [with clause ] consider a possible course of action in one's mind before reaching a decision : he debated whether he should leave the matter alone or speak to her.
*nooinch*
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:31 am
Thank you for that contribution metalmariogc, I really do believe that some of these people need to know what a debate is. Thanks for looking the definition up. It hadn't occurred to me to put it up at the time when I ranted about it.
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:07 am
Im just happy to be of some help. To be honest, the people that come in here that just declare their views one way ore another really don't help their causes. They sound more like a idiotic mouthpiece than someone defending their creed. If I can raise the overall bar of compentence and intelligence at all, then I have accomplished something.
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:14 am
You know what...I have a working relationship with PTF.....I wonder if I can get some rules put into place for the debate subforums....hmmm.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:51 pm
I personally don't exactly know weather i believe in god or not. All i know is that some people have to believe in him, otherwise they'll go crazy, or wont know what to believe. All i believe for sure is that there is an almighty force out there that watches over us, and it is everyone's god, the christian god, muslim, budha, egyptian, all the gods that everyone believes in is one powerfull force, and it watches over us all. And i say it because i'm not sure if it's male or female, or both.
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:59 am
Do I believe in God?
It all depends on how you define God?
I don't believe in the Christian God as moral standing stone. I do not believe he has absolute moral perfection unless the christian faith has horribly warped and mistranslated the original meaning. God may work in mysterious ways but some truley horrible things happen to people who really do not deserve it.
I believe Jesus was real, but only as a political figurehead, I believe the talk of his miracles was heresay and myth.
I do not believe the bible as some of it is hypocritical and unfactual.
I do not believe in the bible as a moral coding as Leviticus says clothing made of polyester cotton mixes are evil...need I say more.
God having omnipotence? Can he create a weight he cannot lift? By that deduction I don't believe in omnipotence and therefore God's use of it.
God as omnipresent? Can't prove, can't disprove it, I don't really have a view on it, he could he may not.
God as the first thing? Very possible. I believe that something in biology are very complex, like the very beginning of evolution. For beings so complex it does poiunt towards some initial design unless we just incredibly underestimate are universe.
God perhaps being an alien race? Very possible, setting us up as an observational experiment.
God as the creator? Possible, but then what created God.
I consider myself an atheiest becuase the only moral laws I agree with are that of buhdists but to follow the faith properly you would have tothrow away most of your life and live without having partners, something I could not do.
I also believe if God is forever seperate from us in this life as he seems not to intervene or reply to things, then it is only a waste of time to deal with him now. If there is an afterlife, I don't think I should seek his goodside to get into the VIP section, if he is judging me I think he would judge someone better for questioning and following their own morals and being virtuous rather than following blindly and (sorry smile religious a** kissing.
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:55 pm
I belive in God, to a point. For example, IF God has the power to do ANYTHING, then why does he allow people to starve to death, and die? And don't say because of sin, because these are children, that can't do a freakin thing to change how they live. All they can do is try to survive!
Also, why did God build the universe in the first place? There must have been a reason.
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:57 pm
Well, I will say this: I know my Gods are real. I have seen them in concert.ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY MetallicA !!!
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:09 am
Sometimes I wonder if there really is a God, or not.. Actually, I'm not really sure. I mean, if there was this all powerful being above.. Then how come innocent people die in the most terrible ways? If God is SOO powerful, then why not let the good live, and the bad fall? ( Kira moment.. >__>;; ) You know what I mean?
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:47 pm
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:18 am
ORLY ROFL Sometimes I wonder if there really is a God, or not.. Actually, I'm not really sure. I mean, if there was this all powerful being above.. Then how come innocent people die in the most terrible ways? If God is SOO powerful, then why not let the good live, and the bad fall? ( Kira moment.. >__>;; ) You know what I mean? I'm gonna jump in on this one, despite potentially repeating what others have already commented on. I'm a Christian, Baptist by church but I'd like to think that religion is about making up your mind about a lot of things. As for as the famous 'Good things happening to bad ppl' question, my usual answer is this: Free Will (Yes, it's so important it gets capital letters). I believe that God is not someone who makes shiny lights in the sky or suddenly makes people's arms grow back. I do believe that he is someone who can open your eyes to opportunities and situations so that you can make the most of your abilities. How you use these situations is up to you. To simplify in an example: If a terrorist (Yes, it's a shockingly cliched example) decides to use his knowledge and skills to construct an explosive device and injur ppl, God is not going to appear, shout 'Stop!' and set said antagonist on fire. It is a case of free will, which God cannot intervene upon. I would write more but this already looks ridiculously huge in comparison to the above posts, but feel free to reply! I freakin' love debates!
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:32 pm
I really don't know. I believe that Jesus did live on this earth. He may or may not have been the reincarnation of god, but really, no one will ever know. Until we die, and then maybe. Once again, we don't know. I belong to a really small church that everyone thinks is weird, and i don't really believe in it. I think that it's a little too religious, and that some of them need to ease off.
Really, i'm holding my beliefs until I die, and then if there is something there, thats cool with me. I think that there is a possibility that god is sitting up there laughing at us and wondering what the heck we're going to do next.
Finally, I think that if god did create the universe, it was because he was lonely. Sort of the God was all alone so he created something so he could have someone to share love with. Sounds a little sappy, but hey.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:49 am
god could be real. we'll never know until we die and go some other place in death.
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:39 am
I've read here that we won't know if we believe in G-d until we define him.
Well if I could define G-d then "he" wouldn't be G-d.
If I can define something then i can understand it. And the G-d that I would worship or give my life to shouldn't be definable. Otherwise "he/she" isn't G-d to me. As soon as I define G-d I limit "him/her". That's not a G-d.
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:19 pm
Personally, I do not. But, I respect others, unless they attempt to smother me in their religion.
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