Libertarianism

[XcoldhandsX]

@Communism

It always becomes Totalitarian Dictatorship or some sort of Big Government were one party oppresses all and hordes their riches in the guise of communism.

Go read Animal Farm by George Orwell. Communism WILL NOT WORK. It's a great idea, but it will fail.

How Communism Works in the Real World
When you create this revolution and your revolution gains enough power you'll have to "permanently remove" anyone who would openly protest or fight against your system of equality, as they would try and unbalance it. You'd also have to take every buisness that resisted away by force. You'd need a powerful Secret Police force to root out the rebellious "freedom fighters" who attacked your new government. You'd have to keep people in line, watch them closely, keep the resources for yourself so they couldn't get too powerful. Make sure that they all are equal and that no greedy bastards ever get too far ahead of anyone else, unless you think they could join you and help you maintain your government. Oh and don't forget to strictly watch everyone to make sure noone is plotting to dest- woah wait hang on. Is it just me or does this seem a lot like an oppressive dictatorship.

Examples: China, Cuba, North Korea, The Soviet Union, and a few other countries I can't think of at the moment because it's 5 AM.  

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XcoldhandsX

@Communism

It always becomes Totalitarian Dictatorship or some sort of Big Government were one party oppresses all and hordes their riches in the guise of communism.

Go read Animal Farm by George Orwell. Communism WILL NOT WORK. It's a great idea, but it will fail.

*FACEPALM* You do know that George Orwell's book Animal Farm is not a critique of communism right? It's a critique of Stalinism, of what George Orwell saw as the Soviet Union becoming corrupt under Stalin. George Orwell was a socialist himself. Fought in Spain against the fascists.

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When you create this revolution and your revolution gains enough power you'll have to "permanently remove" anyone who would openly protest or fight against your system of equality, as they would try and unbalance it.

I don't actually remember this being on the Party Programme. Where are you quoting from since you put "permanently remove" in quotations. Last I checked the Social Revolutionaries were banned from the Soviets once they tried to overthrow the government in Moscow...Remember the Cultural Revolution, the party actively told the people to rebel against them.

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You'd also have to take every buisness that resisted away by force.

You think businesses are going to be nationalized without resistance? Would you have cried when Feudal property was being broken up too by bourgeoisie forces.

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You'd need a powerful Secret Police force to root out the rebellious "freedom fighters" who attacked your new government.

OMG how evil is it that you defend the revolution that just won State power. What do you think about our governments having CIA, FBI, the military, etc?

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You'd have to keep people in line, watch them closely, keep the resources for yourself so they couldn't get too powerful.

Again wtf? Don't remember this in the party programme. Isn't this the capitalists tactics?

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Make sure that they all are equal and that no greedy bastards ever get too far ahead of anyone else, unless you think they could join you and help you maintain your government.

Contradiction much?  

[XcoldhandsX]

The point I was making is that in practice Communism doesn't follow its principles at all. They break away into something horrid like Stalinism. It's a great idea sure but it will not work. Besides no big government should be able to put it's thumb on me and hold me down despite my potential simply because my neighbor has less potential than I do. That's just sick and oppressive. But hell, everyone's equal so it must be perfect. rolleyes  

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XcoldhandsX

The point I was making is that in practice Communism doesn't follow its principles at all. They break away into something horrid like Stalinism. It's a great idea sure but it will not work. Besides no big government should be able to put it's thumb on me and hold me down despite my potential simply because my neighbor has less potential than I do. That's just sick and oppressive. But hell, everyone's equal so it must be perfect. rolleyes

What are communism's principles and why aren't they following their own principles? I'll answer the rhetorical question, it's because those places aren't actually communist. I mean seriously why would someone go around saying a concept is something it's not unless they're just trying to dissuade you away from that concept. It's called propaganda, communists themselves never said these places were communist, it was the capitalists that put the label "communist" on places. Lenin said Russia was State Capitalist after they had already seized power, not that they were communist or even socialist. I have to question what you say "won't work" because so far you have not shown that you have any knowledge at all about what communism actually is. All you've shown is you can take in propaganda and dish it back out mindlessly.

Come on seriously you say there should be no government that puts you under their thumb and suppresses your potential as if that's what communism is. The only "potential" that would be suppressed is your potential to exploit others. But again all you do is spit back propaganda that communism is about suppressing the individual when it's actually the exact opposite, it gives everybody the chance to express their "potential" as you put it, unlike capitalism which keeps most poor and disillusioned. But I bet you the word "potential" is really just a right-wing jargon which really means "bourgeoisie". Kind of like the words "success" and "hard worker".  

[XcoldhandsX]

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XcoldhandsX

The point I was making is that in practice Communism doesn't follow its principles at all. They break away into something horrid like Stalinism. It's a great idea sure but it will not work. Besides no big government should be able to put it's thumb on me and hold me down despite my potential simply because my neighbor has less potential than I do. That's just sick and oppressive. But hell, everyone's equal so it must be perfect. rolleyes

What are communism's principles and why aren't they following their own principles? I'll answer the rhetorical question, it's because those places aren't actually communist. I mean seriously why would someone go around saying a concept is something it's not unless they're just trying to dissuade you away from that concept. It's called propaganda, communists themselves never said these places were communist, it was the capitalists that put the label "communist" on places. Lenin said Russia was State Capitalist after they had already seized power, not that they were communist or even socialist. I have to question what you say "won't work" because so far you have not shown that you have any knowledge at all about what communism actually is. All you've shown is you can take in propaganda and dish it back out mindlessly.

Come on seriously you say there should be no government that puts you under their thumb and suppresses your potential as if that's what communism is. The only "potential" that would be suppressed is your potential to exploit others. But again all you do is spit back propaganda that communism is about suppressing the individual when it's actually the exact opposite, it gives everybody the chance to express their "potential" as you put it, unlike capitalism which keeps most poor and disillusioned. But I bet you the word "potential" is really just a right-wing jargon which really means "bourgeoisie". Kind of like the words "success" and "hard worker".

I'm not going to argue with someone who refuses to do anything but spit out assumptions about myself. Please talk to me again when you're ready to speak like a mature adult and less like a whiny child.  

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XcoldhandsX

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XcoldhandsX

The point I was making is that in practice Communism doesn't follow its principles at all. They break away into something horrid like Stalinism. It's a great idea sure but it will not work. Besides no big government should be able to put it's thumb on me and hold me down despite my potential simply because my neighbor has less potential than I do. That's just sick and oppressive. But hell, everyone's equal so it must be perfect. rolleyes

What are communism's principles and why aren't they following their own principles? I'll answer the rhetorical question, it's because those places aren't actually communist. I mean seriously why would someone go around saying a concept is something it's not unless they're just trying to dissuade you away from that concept. It's called propaganda, communists themselves never said these places were communist, it was the capitalists that put the label "communist" on places. Lenin said Russia was State Capitalist after they had already seized power, not that they were communist or even socialist. I have to question what you say "won't work" because so far you have not shown that you have any knowledge at all about what communism actually is. All you've shown is you can take in propaganda and dish it back out mindlessly.

Come on seriously you say there should be no government that puts you under their thumb and suppresses your potential as if that's what communism is. The only "potential" that would be suppressed is your potential to exploit others. But again all you do is spit back propaganda that communism is about suppressing the individual when it's actually the exact opposite, it gives everybody the chance to express their "potential" as you put it, unlike capitalism which keeps most poor and disillusioned. But I bet you the word "potential" is really just a right-wing jargon which really means "bourgeoisie". Kind of like the words "success" and "hard worker".

I'm not going to argue with someone who refuses to do anything but spit out assumptions about myself. Please talk to me again when you're ready to speak like a mature adult and less like a whiny child.

No how about you get back to me when you actually know what you're talking about ********.  

[XcoldhandsX]

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XcoldhandsX

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XcoldhandsX

The point I was making is that in practice Communism doesn't follow its principles at all. They break away into something horrid like Stalinism. It's a great idea sure but it will not work. Besides no big government should be able to put it's thumb on me and hold me down despite my potential simply because my neighbor has less potential than I do. That's just sick and oppressive. But hell, everyone's equal so it must be perfect. rolleyes

What are communism's principles and why aren't they following their own principles? I'll answer the rhetorical question, it's because those places aren't actually communist. I mean seriously why would someone go around saying a concept is something it's not unless they're just trying to dissuade you away from that concept. It's called propaganda, communists themselves never said these places were communist, it was the capitalists that put the label "communist" on places. Lenin said Russia was State Capitalist after they had already seized power, not that they were communist or even socialist. I have to question what you say "won't work" because so far you have not shown that you have any knowledge at all about what communism actually is. All you've shown is you can take in propaganda and dish it back out mindlessly.

Come on seriously you say there should be no government that puts you under their thumb and suppresses your potential as if that's what communism is. The only "potential" that would be suppressed is your potential to exploit others. But again all you do is spit back propaganda that communism is about suppressing the individual when it's actually the exact opposite, it gives everybody the chance to express their "potential" as you put it, unlike capitalism which keeps most poor and disillusioned. But I bet you the word "potential" is really just a right-wing jargon which really means "bourgeoisie". Kind of like the words "success" and "hard worker".

I'm not going to argue with someone who refuses to do anything but spit out assumptions about myself. Please talk to me again when you're ready to speak like a mature adult and less like a whiny child.

No how about you get back to me when you actually know what you're talking about ******** class="clear">

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XcoldhandsX

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XcoldhandsX

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XcoldhandsX

The point I was making is that in practice Communism doesn't follow its principles at all. They break away into something horrid like Stalinism. It's a great idea sure but it will not work. Besides no big government should be able to put it's thumb on me and hold me down despite my potential simply because my neighbor has less potential than I do. That's just sick and oppressive. But hell, everyone's equal so it must be perfect. rolleyes

What are communism's principles and why aren't they following their own principles? I'll answer the rhetorical question, it's because those places aren't actually communist. I mean seriously why would someone go around saying a concept is something it's not unless they're just trying to dissuade you away from that concept. It's called propaganda, communists themselves never said these places were communist, it was the capitalists that put the label "communist" on places. Lenin said Russia was State Capitalist after they had already seized power, not that they were communist or even socialist. I have to question what you say "won't work" because so far you have not shown that you have any knowledge at all about what communism actually is. All you've shown is you can take in propaganda and dish it back out mindlessly.

Come on seriously you say there should be no government that puts you under their thumb and suppresses your potential as if that's what communism is. The only "potential" that would be suppressed is your potential to exploit others. But again all you do is spit back propaganda that communism is about suppressing the individual when it's actually the exact opposite, it gives everybody the chance to express their "potential" as you put it, unlike capitalism which keeps most poor and disillusioned. But I bet you the word "potential" is really just a right-wing jargon which really means "bourgeoisie". Kind of like the words "success" and "hard worker".

I'm not going to argue with someone who refuses to do anything but spit out assumptions about myself. Please talk to me again when you're ready to speak like a mature adult and less like a whiny child.

No how about you get back to me when you actually know what you're talking about ******** class="clear">

Does swearing really make you feel better about yourself? Because from my perspective you seem like an angry and immature child unable to get through a civilized argument without dropping an f-bomb.

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I find libertarians infuriating, especially when they vote republican.

I respect their views on issues like gay rights, abortion, and war.
People like Ron Paul understand concepts like American imperialism that most liberals don't understand.

But gay right, abortion, and war aren't the only issues our nation is dealing with.
A while back, there was a heartbreaking article in the New York times (I think it came out around September 2009) and it talked about how more than a million children would be going back to school homeless, because the economic crisis had led to their home foreclosure.

The fact is, a laissez-faire market eliminates safety nets that are oh so necessary for a stable and compassionate society, and as a result people fall through the cracks far too often.

Just look at South Africa, while one could look at the country's constitution and think that they're a bastion of liberalism and equality, but if you actually look at the nation itself -- plagued by massive privatization -- people, on average, live 13 years less than they used to because the people no longer have access to a government-run water system or other services which are completely necessary.