Which controls are better to you?????

[Biohazard EXTREME]

But to say "I prefer the new controls to how it used to be" is like saying, "I think action shooters are better than Survival Horror games."  

[Canas Renvall]

^And then it just becomes a matter of taste. She can like action shooters more than survival horror if she wants. razz

Tank controls for me. biggrin

*just can't wait for the day someone comes in and says "The rail-shooter controls!"* xd  

[Michael Jetfire]

The old ones made the game better, including the old camera angles. As annoying as they were to some people, it just made the game actually feel scary to me. These new ones I dont like as much.  

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Canas Renvall

^And then it just becomes a matter of taste. She can like action shooters more than survival horror if she wants. razz

Tank controls for me. biggrin

*just can't wait for the day someone comes in and says "The rail-shooter controls!"* xd

Well, for someone who's a fan of Silent Hill, I'd be surprised if SaintChaos says that she prefers action shooters to Survival Horror games.

And yes, I prefer rail shooters to over the shoulder action. If Umbrella Chronicles didn't have such a shitty storyline, it'd be worth keeping.

Michael Jetfire

The old ones made the game better, including the old camera angles. As annoying as they were to some people, it just made the game actually feel scary to me. These new ones I dont like as much.

Agreed.

I mean, I think point and click action RPGs can be annoying, as well as First Person Shooters. It's a matter of opinion. But the thing is, so I don't play Diablo or Half-Life, or Bioshock. Are they great games? Sure, but I'd be selfish if I said, "Diablo should be more like Oblivion and Half-Life should be more like classic Resident Evil."
I don't have to play every single great game there is. And I hate people who push it on me. "Oh man, Bioshick is so awesome. You HAVE to play through it!!!" or "Man, Left 4 Dead has ZOMBIES! You like zombies! How can you not like this game!?" Because it's an FPS with set scenarios, and I don't find it interesting, dipshit!
I think Still Life is a great game, but it's a point and click adventure game, and I know that's not for everyone. The last thing I do is push it on people, saying, "Man, you HAVE to play this game! The storyline is so awesome! And it's got difficult puzzles! It's awesome! How can you not play it!"

Resident Evil had tank controls and fixed camera angles. And I loved it. Some people didn't. But they don't have to play every game there is out there, just because it's popular.  

[ElenaMason]

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But to say "I prefer the new controls to how it used to be" is like saying, "I think action shooters are better than Survival Horror games."

oi....thats not what i said. i SAID that I accept the controls as long as the controls are used properly. Hence the example I gave. I couldn't IMAGINE RE 1 with over the shoulder. It just doesn't fit. RE 4 and RE 5 are perfect for over the shoulder BECAUSE it is more action based. If RE 4 and 5 stuck to the traditional horror survival style like RE 1 THEN I would say it needs the third person view, tank controls.

Do you see what I'm saying now? And yeah, on the OTHER subject at hand. Sometimes I do prefer action over survival horror because well....it has more action. I'm more of an action based person because I like fast paced, think on your feet, type of games.

But sometimes I get tired of that. Sometimes I need to buckle down a bit and play a good old fashioned survival horror and take my time and enjoy the creepiness. It depends on my mood dude. One genre isn't better than another because each genre has its own specifications and has its own good and bad points. I've actually been playing Silent Hill 2 again. Been a while. But just because I enjoy Silent Hill doesn't mean I'm a huge fan of the genre SH provides. SH is one of the rare few survival horror games I will actually play. FYI  

[Biohazard EXTREME]

On genre might not be better than anothe in absolute sense, but if someone said, "What's your favorite game genre?" what would you respond?  

[ElenaMason]

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On genre might not be better than anothe in absolute sense, but if someone said, "What's your favorite game genre?" what would you respond?

Read above post.  

[ElenaMason]

Thee Stranger

The whole point here that I think Bio is trying to make is that Resident Evil established a target fanbase, and then basically abandoned us for action crowd. Resident Evil has never been a franchise for everybody. Many people hate the controls and have absolutely no patience for them, which is fine. So go play Devil May Cry, or Halo, or whatever you're into.

I've always loved action games, and there's no disputing that RE4 was a great action game, but I never went to Resident Evil for pure over-the-top, pulse-pounding action. That's what other franchises were for. I went to the RE franchise for something different, and now I don't really have that anymore. While the market is flooded with all kinds of ACTION games that play almost just like RE4/RE5. In some cases, better. Army of Two is an awesome co-op action game with ten times better teamwork-oriented gameplay mechanics than RE5. That game feels like a truly realized co-op experience, while it feels kind of tacked-on in RE5. And I still believe that the only reason that Sheva's there is because of the whole racism controversy, which I think ultimately hurt the final product more than it enhanced it.

But yeah, being that this is the very franchise that coined the term "Survival Horror", and basically kicked off the entire-frikkin'-genre... it should not be an action game. Just like Halo should not be a Survival Horror game, just like Zelda should not be a Real-time Strategy game, like Mario should not be an FPS game, like Call of Duty should not be a 2D platformer. No matter how good it may be at what it does.

While the original Resident Evil inspired and flooded the market with other horror-themed video games, RE4 has inspired and flooded the market with s**t like Gears of War and Army of Two. Is your horror game really serving the purpose its supposed to when almost nothing but pure action games are following in its footsteps? I think not.

If you want a pure action game, RE should not be the series to look to for that. If they needed to change the gameplay, they should have changed it while staying in keeping with the gameplay conventions that make a horror game a horror game, as opposed to an action game. That said, I probably wouldn't b***h as much if they hadn't completely raped the storyline. If RE4 had anything to do with the past games, and stayed in keeping with the themes RE had always been about (even its various spin-offs that diverged in gameplay still felt like RE), it wouldn't have sucked anywhere near as bad in my eyes. But, as has been said over and over and over, RE4 changed everything.

And that's why you have this huge divide in the fanbase. Because, for the most part, you have two different groups in one place who are fans of two very different things, without a whole lot of reverence for the other. And that's why they should have just made RE4 into a different franchise in the first place, as they did with DMC.

And with that, here's an interesting video that actually covers this very subject: click

Dude why are you guys going on some completely different tangent? Did you guys completely miss the point I was even trying to make?

We're not talking about what the RE series SHOULD have been. There's already threads on that and debates on that. I'm talking about game mechanic controls as a WHOLE. Ugh...I'm not going to repeat myself again. What is it about my post that you guys are getting mixed up about?

And stranger wtf....I NEVER SAID I went to RE 4 for action. Stop putting words that aren't there that I never said. I was speaking on a general basis that I usually prefer action based games like HALO or something, more than survival horror. But it depends on my mood. Sometimes I like to bunk down and play a survival horror or mystery solver or something. I was basing my statement, not on the Resident Evil series, but as a whole all together of what games I usually prefer. It was in response to Bio.

How I feel about the types of games I like is NOT up for debate. It doesn't matter how much mumbo jumbo you throw in there, that I already know, its not going to change my mind. Maybe I'm not as biased against RE being turned INTO more action based, BECAUSE I prefer action based games. But thats not why I got into the series.

I didn't get RE 4 because it was more action based, and I FOR SURE AS HELL did not get RE 4 because it had Leon in it. I had no idea who the hell Leon even was. The ONLY reason I got the game was because 1)I had recenlyt bought a PS 2 at the time and that was last year. And 2) I kept hearing over and over how great the game was, so I figured why the hell not? Sure I'll get it and give it a try. And that's what started my spark into the series.

Jesus christ........  

[Biohazard EXTREME]

Damn you and your mad debate skillz, Stranger. But at least they're on my side this time.
The thing that pisses me off the most though is that the vast majority of gamers are so damn blind to it. I mean, if you like RE4, that's fine, enjoy, but you get a flood of people who'll say, "Whoa, whoa, whoa! You're not actually gonna tell me that you liked Remake better than RE4! Cause it's so obviously an obsolete game! Resident Evil 4 was revolutionary! Resident Evil 4 was one of the most important games in history! It's where Resident Evil finally got good!"

There's a LOT of people out there, who'd love a good stealth based game with no more than 1 minute long Cinematics, and if Metal Gear Solid was to be made into another game where the storyline is only there to connect one level to the next, they'd be thrilled. But you know what, that's not what MGS fans love about the series. It might have solid, balanced gameplay. And solid graphics (although in more than one case, less than overwhelming). But it's not the gameplay and the graphics that got Metal Gear fans so invested in the franchise. It's the long cinematics drawing out a detailed and extremely well thought out storyline, with top quality voice acting. And if you take that away from Metal Gear, then it'll be just another over the top stealth shooter. Then you might as well go play Splinter Cell.

So just the same... With Resident Evil. I was invested in the horror movie-like experience. The camera angles might not mean much to some, but to me (and the fans of the franchise) it was a full on feature of the game.
The problem is... I gotta say, Resident Evil 4 was really well designed. It's balanced and fun gameplay. And the problem with that is...
Well, my friend, who's a Survival Horror fan, Silent Hill dedicated said, "RE4 really changed everything, and the storyline kinda sucked. But the gameplay was so fun that I chose to overlook the storyline." This is coming from the guy who told me to grind through Bioshock just for the storyline. That's just not right.  

[ElenaMason]

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Damn you and your mad debate skillz, Stranger. But at least they're on my side this time.
The thing that pisses me off the most though is that the vast majority of gamers are so damn blind to it. I mean, if you like RE4, that's fine, enjoy, but you get a flood of people who'll say, "Whoa, whoa, whoa! You're not actually gonna tell me that you liked Remake better than RE4! Cause it's so obviously an obsolete game! Resident Evil 4 was revolutionary! Resident Evil 4 was one of the most important games in history! It's where Resident Evil finally got good!"

There's a LOT of people out there, who'd love a good stealth based game with no more than 1 minute long Cinematics, and if Metal Gear Solid was to be made into another game where the storyline is only there to connect one level to the next, they'd be thrilled. But you know what, that's not what MGS fans love about the series. It might have solid, balanced gameplay. And solid graphics (although in more than one case, less than overwhelming). But it's not the gameplay and the graphics that got Metal Gear fans so invested in the franchise. It's the long cinematics drawing out a detailed and extremely well thought out storyline, with top quality voice acting. And if you take that away from Metal Gear, then it'll be just another over the top stealth shooter. Then you might as well go play Splinter Cell.

So just the same... With Resident Evil. I was invested in the horror movie-like experience. The camera angles might not mean much to some, but to me (and the fans of the franchise) it was a full on feature of the game.
The problem is... I gotta say, Resident Evil 4 was really well designed. It's balanced and fun gameplay. And the problem with that is...
Well, my friend, who's a Survival Horror fan, Silent Hill dedicated said, "RE4 really changed everything, and the storyline kinda sucked. But the gameplay was so fun that I chose to overlook the storyline." This is coming from the guy who told me to grind through Bioshock just for the storyline. That's just not right.

Well alrighty. I'm not crazed over RE 4 like people are seeming to assume here. It just happened to be my first RE game, and it just so happened to be well designed, as you stated, so I was hooked right away. I love nothing more than a well designed game that I will go back to more than once. Its really too bad about the storyline though. I do love the point you make at the end there. I prefer RE 5 over 4 actually BECAUSE its better designed in the gameplay. The little antics of adding the audio commands helps to communicate to your partner without the use of a mic-headset. They also dummed down how much you can carry versus buying big a** suitcases in the 4 game that took forever to organize by the time you got to the end of the game. The hotkey controls of switching to different weapons is a lot faster too and so on and so forth.

And yes I will add in here, I LOVE goooood camera angles. It adds a whole nother dimension to the aspect of the gameplay. You don't see them just behind their back...you see above around, from a corner, from a ceiling...oh god I love it. As long as the angles don't get crazy flippant like they do in SH 2, then its good to go.  

[Biohazard EXTREME]

Well, again, don't make it all about yourself. I never said you were one of those people who goes pantscreaming crazy over RE4. I'm just saying that's how it is with the general majority. Even the majority hardcore fans of Resident Evil are willing to turn a blind eye to the shitty storyline because of how 'fun' the gameplay is. I'll never forget how the sales representative at EB games actually said, "I will fight you!" when I said that Resident Evil has gone downhill since RE4. I could've gotten him fired. And if he still worked there, I would, cause I need a job.  

[ElenaMason]

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Well, again, don't make it all about yourself. I never said you were one of those people who goes pantscreaming crazy over RE4. I'm just saying that's how it is with the general majority. Even the majority hardcore fans of Resident Evil are willing to turn a blind eye to the shitty storyline because of how 'fun' the gameplay is. I'll never forget how the sales representative at EB games actually said, "I will fight you!" when I said that Resident Evil has gone downhill since RE4. I could've gotten him fired. And if he still worked there, I would, cause I need a job.

i know you didnt say i was one of those people razz . im just stating something just to state something. heart