Abortion

[singin4Christ]

Zeptan

singin4Christ

if you are forced into watching children and they become your responsibility and you decide after they become your responsibility that you don't want to watch them anymore then does that give you the right to pull out a chian saw and kill them off?

No. The child is a human being.

Mouse of Water:

Like I said before. It's the woman's fetus, the woman's embryo. It's not our baby, we can't decide.

But a woman cannot decide to just kill a new born even though it is her baby. why should that short time make so much of a difference between birth control and murder? if a child is murdered when they're 2 years and 9 months old and another is murdered when they are 2 years old, those nine months mean nothing. it's still murder.  

[RenFlower]

It is not murder because they are not children yet. And don't give me some phrase from the bible that says they are, because the bible is not a legitamate argument as none of it can be proven. Before you start yelling, tell me why the writers couldn't give it to us straight instead of being so vague? How is it possible for it all to be true if it's been translated so many times throughout the years? Why the hell should laws be made by something that basically says that if you don't follow everything it says and only believe in that, then you are tortured for all of eternity?  

[singin4Christ]

I wasn't going to and do not turn this into a discussion on religion and beliefs. I'm not going to allow you to push me over that line that makes me mad again. don't try.that embryo stage is just another stage of life. from embryo to bay is like from child to adult. they are still genetically human aren't they? the babies move in the womb. you cannot tell me that there is no brain function or no feelings or emtions or movement until the child is born because there is.  

[RenFlower]

The burden falls on you to prove that there is, as science proves differently. Oh, and I opened a mini-shop! biggrin Services are free for you guys if you'd like. http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?page=1&t=30386687#1279828207 Plus, I'll admit, I could use some good feedback, since I don't have any customers yet...  

[The Hallowed Mouse]

RenFlower

The burden falls on you to prove that there is, as science proves differently. Oh, and I opened a mini-shop! biggrin Services are free for you guys if you'd like. http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?page=1&t=30386687#1279828207 Plus, I'll admit, I could use some good feedback, since I don't have any customers yet...

Actually science cannot prove that an embryo is not a child, rather it is a living thing with little or no functions to survive. But the only place where science places a say in this event is on the ProLife side "Life begins at Conjugation)  

[RenFlower]

Well, I guess it depends on what you define as a child. If you place human life at self-awareness and such, then they aren't alive till weeks after they're born.  

[The Hallowed Mouse]

RenFlower

Well, I guess it depends on what you define as a child. If you place human life at self-awareness and such, then they aren't alive till weeks after they're born.

But that would be defined as murder by your standards, so how would you define life???


Mine starts at conjugation just as Science, Religion, and such state!!!  

[RenFlower]

I don't understand, how does that define what as murder? Science does not place life at a specific time as of yet.  

[Pasithea]

Basically here's how I see it:

A fetus is a human being and deserves all rights just like any other human being.

The only problem is no other human being has the right to use another human being's body without their express and ongoing consent (also, make note that consent can be withdrawn at any time unless you are binded by a written and signed contract I suppose.)

I do not believe any human deserves more rights or special rights based on anything, whether it be gender, sexuality, race, or even age.

Women should be allowed to control their bodies and all parts of it, including their reproductive organs.  

[The Hallowed Mouse]

Once again I concur  

[Kysaara]

Peronally I liked the way Ronald Reagan said it. To sum up, if you found a body laying on the ground, and you couldn't tell if it was dead or alive, would you bury it? hmmm o_0  

[The Hallowed Mouse]

hmmm 0_o
good wording Reagan, once again I applaud you!  

[Garrett31212]

RenFlower

Since I always must put my two cents in, I will state my position as Pro-choice. To start this debate off, I have one thing to say to people who are against abortion. It's not your body carrying a life, so it's not really up to you. We should have control over our own body. Thoughts?

I don't mind abortion, but I don't think that it should be only the mothers choice. I have one thing to say to you pro-choicers. It's not only your child. It's the man's just as much as it is the woman's.  

[[Ish-Kabibble]]

I'm definately Pro-Life and it irks me to hear some of these Democratic politicians claim they are against killing innocent people though war but are still pro-abortion. xP I mean, how could you get more innocent than a fetus?

Therefore, YOU make the baby = YOU give birth to it.

True, rape happens, but according to THIS WEBSITE only about 225 women get pregnant by rape per year. Small, eh? This is because of statistice, but isn't a 100% thing.

I just don't understand why we can't allow something the right to life either way, though. I mean, put it up for adoption if you really don't want it/aren't able to care for it. Oftentimes the aftermath of an abortion hurts more than the mothers thought. Many women suffer from depression, emotional problems and can carry that for years and years.

My mom was a teen mother. She became pregnant with my older sister at age 15, gave birth at 16. If there's one thing she did right in her life so far, it's give birth to my sister instead of aborting her. My mom realized her mistake and took the consequences for it. She lived off wellfare as she struggled through High School. She married my father(Not my sister's dad) and graduated college. According to statistics, she was one of the 1.5% that graduate college before 30. If it was YOUR mistake, deal with it. Don't run from it. Don't try to hide it. Don't take it out on something so innocent as a baby in your womb.  

[Garrett31212]

I know what you mean. It's completely immoral to fight a war, but hell, slaughtering babies en-masse is perfectly ok. What a crock a' s**t.