What could ruin Resident Evil?

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Thee Stranger

Yeah, it is. Had the movie not happened, it wouldn't have happened in the game. And it was just as, if not more retarded in the movie as it was in the games. And I don't see how that s**t is perfectly acceptable in your Resident Evil movies... how you can like that in your Resident Evil movies, but hate it your Resident Evil games.

Because the RE games... And I'm talking about RE1, 2, 3, Code Veronica, Survivor, Outbreak... Six games at least... And even after the movie came out, RE0, all helped establish the artificial universe. In which there are certain things, and certain things, there aren't. It's one thing if the first Resident Evil game had a laser wall, or whatever in the labs, and you had to go find a way to disable it, then that would establish, "Okay, so in this artificial universe, lasers strong enough to harm a human being upon contact are commmonplace. But it didn't.
And honestly, when I was playing Umbrella Chronicles, and I saw the laser hall, I DID like it. It wasn't the laser hall that I hated in it, it was the backflips, mostly.
In RE4, it was extra stupid, because those lasers were on tiny little portable nubs which moved around the wall freely, so that was just piss on the shitcake. Anywho...

The Resident Evil movies established a whole new Resident Evil universe. So Resident Evil movie is essentially Resident Evil 1, which establishes that there are no Hunters, or giant insects, or over the top crest puzzles. Rather, there's lasers and holograms. That's what it established in its own universe.

Thee Stranger

I'm not opposed to lasers in Resident Evil. Stupid laser corridors that people have to backflip and dodge around straight out of that shitty movie is what I'm opposed to.

Never once did Alice, or anyone else, actually do a backflip to avoid the lasers in the movies. Any laser dodging that happened in the movies was very reasonably acted out. Even Alice clone, who IS supposed to be superhuman, at most jumped up and pulled herself into a vent. Never did any backflip dodging of lasers occur. Backflips made their introduction into Resident Evil with RE4, and the movies had nothing to do with that.

Thee Stranger

And yes, I know it's not canonically linked. I'm well aware, and thank god for that. But they still have the Resident Evil name. They are involved with Resident Evil. And if I told someone who had only seen the shitty movies that were "based" on the game franchise that I'm a big RE fan, they'd think I'm into something completely retarded.

Well, that's just opinion. I mean, any person could pick up RE2 play it and think it's retarded. It's their opinion and they're entitled. But it's not a fact. So, frankly, showing someone a Resident Evil movie, (before RE4 came out) and having them say, "This is cool. I wanna play the game now." Is a good thing. And if they watch the first movie, it's a pretty good representation of what the game is like, only the movie is a little more lab based, and less mansion based, and frankly, that's not a bad thing.

And yes, the movie had a scene where a laser chops up a bunch of people... A 3 minute scene in a 1.5 hour movie... That ONE scene is gonna dictate to people that that's what the game is about, right? Not viruses, or Umbrella, or zombies, or any of that OTHER stuff that the movie had plenty of, but one little laser hall.

Thee Stranger

And any movie they would have made out of it wouldn't be canonically linked to the games, unless it was something like Degeneration, which was released as a sequel.

Well, it could just as easily have been a joint project between Capcom and Anderson, to make a movie that directly happens in the game storyline.
But they didn't. The movies are on their own, and won't interfere with the games. So if you don't like it, DON'T WATCH IT. I'd rather show people Anderson's trilogy and say, "That's what Resident Evil is about" then show them RE4, 5, UC, DSC or Degeneration and say, "That's what Resident Evil is about."

Thee Stranger

And the movies are a shitty reimagining. It's a shitty Matrix movie with some Resident Evil s**t tacked on to it. That's all that piece of s**t is. They're all complete wastes of film and time.

Well, the first Matrix movie kicked a**. And if instead, the W. Brothers decided to make The Matrix with zombies, Umbrella and T-Virus, it would've been that much more badass.

Thee Stranger

Well, maybe for you. For me, it just was just a mere hollow shell of the things I liked about Resident Evil. Kinda like Umbrella Chronicles was for you. It had Umbrella and zombies, but they were lame. They were tacked on to something lame. Something... Matrix. It did not have horror, it did not capture the atmosphere of the games, and I don't remember the soundtrack... probably because the movies are completely forgettable pieces of s**t.

The first movie had horror, it had the atmosphere (actually, all three movies captured the atmosphere of the games pretty well). And the soundtracks for all three movies are good enough to listen to on their own. I might hate Umbrella Chronicles, but it's for good reasons. And the proof of that is that I DID like the soundtrack. You just blindly say, "I hate everything about it. There's not one redeeming thing about it. Period."

Thee Stranger

Irony at its best. And even if you hate special agent Leon, he was still normal in RE2. So I honestly don't see what you're complaining about.

Well, I like RE2. So I'm not complaining about THAT. What's your point?

Thee Stranger

But no, that b***h was never normal. Normal people couldn't run along and off of a ******** wall and roundhouse kick a cerberus in the ******** head and kill it. That's just not even ********' practical. It's just an excuse for a trendy, now cliche, action effect. And some of the s**t she pulls off in those movies puts super-agent Leon to shame. Seriously, THIS. I mean, come on dude. What the ********? First off, how the ******** did she get her motorcycle up there to the top of the church? Did she ride it up a ********' tree? Secondly, with that glass stained window, how would she know what was on the other side? Or where the Licker was, or exactly where to land so she wouldn't smash into a pew or something? I mean, did she blueprint this s**t out beforehand? And how the ******** could she land that bike like that? And that's just the tip of the iceburg in a whole scene that is just straight up stupidly impossible. I don't care how super-powered she is, you can't defy physics and gravity. Well, that's just because this is the Matrix and Alice is The One. But, yes. That was truly some scary s**t. The RE movies are horror as ******** class="clear">

[Hatsumi Shinobi]

I never said anywhere that I like RE4. I thought is was a disgusting excuse for a RE game. I am completely against the movies and I'll leave it at that. They did have decent soundtracks though. That's the only charity those movies will get from me.  

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My personal philosophy... If you could name three good things about something you hate, then your opinion is unbiased.
And vice versa.  

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Thee Stranger

- No, she just flips off of a wall and roundhouse kicks a zombie dog. Alice does backflipping all over the place in those movies. But, oh, she didn't backflip over a laser, because that would just be totally retarded. Backflipping is fine, especially off of moving motorcycles, as long as it's not over a laser. Gotcha.

She does not flip off the wall. I know you hate the movie, so you probably only saw it once and don't remember. She kicks off the wall, to give her some momentum. And yes, it's flashy. But at no point does she do a flip. In fact, I'm having a hard time thinking of a scene in any of the movies, where a backflip occurs. There might be one or two, but none of them happen in laser halls, and none of them happen in the first movie.
And all in all, I'm pretty sure none of them happen, period.

Thee Stranger

- And those people probably won't like RE2, because it's nothing like the movie, and they can't karate chop and backflip spinkick all the ********' zombies and God Mode their way through the whole thing, and it's not all stupidly over-the-top Matrix action. Those people who love the movies and haven't played the games would probably be much more attracted to RE4/RE5. I've watched the first movie. It is NOT a good representation of what the game is like. At all. NONE of them are.

Again... I'm not gonnna sit through a 90 minute movie, to spend 70 of those minutes watching a single person run around quietly collecting keys. So I'm sorry if they needed to make the movie a bit more exciting. Get over it.

Thee Stranger

And if I had to, I would show them RE4/RE5/Degeneration before I ever showed them the Anderson movies. Because, well, they're the better choice.

No they are not. They are useless pieces of s**t that shouldn't exist. And the biggest problem with them is that not only are they major ******** ups, but because of them, there is no future in the Resident Evil games. Which makes them 10 times worse than the movies.

Thee Stranger

- Well, you're not sure why people complain about Alice, because she was "normal" (pfft) in the first film. Well, I don't see why you complain about Leon, because he was normal in his first game. So there ya go!

Well, I kinda had the impression that he was NORMAL in RE4, too. I mean, unless they skipped a game where he got infected by a superhuman virus.
Alice DID get infected. I'm not complaining about Superhuman Wesker. I mean, I don't think it was a great decision, but at least he's not just naturally superhuman. And neither is Alice. Leon is a whole different story.

Thee Stranger

- Oh my god. You're seriously comparing that to the clip from Apocalypse
I just pointed out? rofl That's ******** nothing compared to Alice. Nothing in that opening scene of Code Veronica even begins to touch Alice's bullshit. At least that whole thing with the dropping the gun/swooping it up in Code Veronica is somewhat believable. Action pizzaz doesn't bother me as long as it's not completely ridiculous, and in RE's case, is used sparingly, with the horror aspect taking priority. Well then, you're only being a hypocrite if you're gonna complain about an over-powered main character in the games, but turn a blind eye when it happens in the movies.

There's a REASON why Alice can do what she can do. Leon... Well, read above. And Claire never even had professional military training, so she should be capable of even less.

Thee Stranger

I disagree. They are not cool action movies; they are shitty action movies that also misrepresented Resident Evil. Saying they're shitty action movies is not blind hate, because I saw the movies, and I hated them. The action was not good. I don't consider anything like that clip, or karate fighting Nemesis good action, sorry. The storyline was shitty.

Opinion, opinion, opinion. You're entitled, but it's not absolute.

Thee Stranger

The characters are one-dimensional, cliche stereotypes, horribly acted throughout.

You just described half the games. And it's a gross overstatement when spoken about the movies. Majority of action movies out there are pretty much the same, they're still enjoyable. I don't need deep and enticing character development to enjoy an action movie.

Thee Stranger

I've given my reasons for not liking them plenty of times.

So far, all your reasons have been pure opinion, and as much as you're entitled to voice it, I'm entitled to disagree. Which I do.

Thee Stranger

And no, it's not like saying PS3 sucks and there's nothing good about it, because the PS3 doesn't suck, and there are good things about it. Just like there are good things about RE4, gameplay-wise. However, the movies do suck. Balls. On every level.

Again, I disagree.

Thee Stranger

- Well, good for you. No, I don't think you're forcing yourself to like the movies. I know you genuinely like those pieces of s**t. And you know, some people would rather play an action-packed, storyless videogame like RE4 or Halo than a boring survival horror game like the original RE's or Silent Hill. Just sayin'. Same logic.

Neither RE1 nor Silent Hill were boring.
But there's nothing wrong with a good action game either. RE4 sucks because it butchered the canon, first and foremost. Halo I don't like because I'm generally not interested in FPS games. But I'm sure if I played an action packed, weak storied game like Gears of War, I'd still enjoy it. There's nothing wrong with that. Storyless is Borderlands. If it has dialogue, story arch and a climax, it's a story.

Thee Stranger

Well, thanks to those files and epilogues and all that s**t like that in the games, it did flesh out the plot and develop the characters a bit. But in the end, Resident Evil is a ******** videogame, man. It has an excuse. In a movie, s**t like character development and a good plot are essential to a good ******** movie. There are good action movies that have good plot. s**t like Aliens and District 9. Those are science fiction action films with good plot, and good characters you could actually give a ******** about, who don't god mode their way through the whole thing. And no, the Resident Evil movies did not have to have action like that. They could have had believable action, like in Dawn of the Dead or something.

And then there are movies like Rambo 2, Wanted, Doomsday, Aeon Flux etc. Which are pretty much all action, how does that make them any less of a movie? They're still fun to watch, even though a lot of things about them are really over the top. Who gives a s**t. I come to see fast paced action and kick a** special effects. And don't give me, "Resident Evil movies had shitty effects" because that's just not true. For their budgets, their effects were really well done.

Thee Stranger

And the monsters aren't too scary when this girl is bitchslapping them all with her bare hands half the time.

No, you're right. Because it was the MONSTERS that scared me in Resident Evil games, not the loud noises they made when windows crashed.

Thee Stranger

And all the other cardboard cut-out characters (cannon fodder) are just there to make her look more cool and "badass".

There's plenty of awesome characters in RE movies. Apocalypse had maybe two 1-dimensional cannon fodders. But other than that, they were all memorable.

Thee Stranger

But she's not. She's ********' lame. The movies are BORING to me. The action is boring (and lame), the plot is boring (and dumb), the characters are boring (also lame). The last thing an action movie should do is bore you, and the RE movies should have focused more on the horror aspect, as well as... not sucking. Code Veronica is not more out there in terms of action and over-the-topness, are you kidding me?

Did you LISTEN to the dialogue in Code Veronica? The kinds of s**t they said was more over the top than half of the Final Fantasy games.

Thee Stranger

You're the one who bitches about stuff like Leon and Chris being all over-powered, and too much action, and laser corridors (oh, excuse me, backflipping/nub laser corridors) and s**t, and all that kind of stuff was introduced to Resident Evil in the MOVIES that you love.[/quotes] Again, I gave my explanation a million times. Lasers are fine. Backflips suck. There were no backflips in the movies. If you're gonna have a powerhouse character, at least give them a reason to be. Like I said, I'm not crazy about the idea in Resident Evil, but Capcom brought it on with Code Veronica and Wesker's superpowers, so it's not like it was a foreign concept to RE. Leon and Chris, however, are supposed to be regular humans, so they got no alibi.

Thee Stranger

And s**t like that is what some people (you and Canas included) believe contributed to ruining Resident Evil. So when someone comes in and says that the movies suck, and they helped ruin Resident Evil, there's a valid point to be made there, as the later games obviously took some inspiration from the movies. And yeah, I think the movies were a big help. I'm not the only one.

That's like saying, "It's the plastic surgeon's fault that Michael Jackson looked the way he did." I had the impression that the Capcom staff were grown men who had common sense of what to take and what not to take from the movies. They decided to take laser halls, I don't care, honestly, especially if it's in a game that happens years after Raccoon City's destruction.

The problem is backflips backflips backflips. I saw the laser hall in UC and I said, "Man, this is the coolest part of the game," and then Chris did a backflip, and I said, "Nevermind."
Again, there were NO BACKFLIPS in the RE movies.

Capcom brought that s**t along on their own. They decided that regular human characters should have superhuman superacrobatic powers. They decided that there should be villains who talk like they're from Final Fantasy games. They decided to have white mages singing opera on a hilltop in the rain. They decided to get rid of Umbrella, zombies...
CAPCOM is the main reason why RE games suck. If you hate the movies that's fine, but don't blame them for the crappiness of the games.

I'm not blind, dude. Most RE fans hate the movies. So I highly doubt Capcom said, "You know what's gonna make the fans happy? If we make the games more like the movies." This was a conscious decision they made which they thought was a GOOD IDEA. Don't blame Anderson for that. If the RE movies never existed, they STILL could've seen the Matrix movies or whatever else and said, "Let's use that in the next RE game." In fact, they DID, El Gigante is the proof that they said, "Let's make it more like Lord of the Rings." So I guess that means it's also J.R.R. Tolkien's fault that RE4 sucked, right? And Hideo Kojima's too, for the cheesy a** radion conversations in RE4. And Maybe even Shigery Miyamoto's for that lava pit and dragons spitting fire. And... God of War 2 (which came out in 2007) was at fault for that dumbass Salazar statue chasing after you. God of War 2 was at fault for ruining Resident Evil, three years before it was even released!
Come on, dude! Capcom made the decisions they did, nobody made those decisions for them. The reason Resident Evil sucks now: CAPCOM
Nobody else.

 

[Biohazard EXTREME]

Look, the point is, Resident Evil was ruined by Capcom. Period. Whatever other sources may have influenced it, the ultimate decision was Capcom's. And if you think the movies are shitty, and are saying that Capcom thought they were good and approved them, then technically it's STILL Capcom's fault. Either way you put it, Capcom ********, what I once considered its best series. And yeah, it's their series, and they can do whatever the hell they want with it. But they screwed it up, and now they can go choke on it.

Ah, taking a break from the guild... It'll do you good. Trust me, it helped when RE5 came out.  

[Hatsumi Shinobi]

I say we all go and play the original Megaman game xd  

[Hatsumi Shinobi]

Also, RE4 and RE5 have destroyed Resident Evil. In my opinion, that is. Resident Evil has become a shooter...  

[Biohazard EXTREME]

Gameplay wise, yeah. But even the story has been butchered to shits. They ruined most of the good characters, and pretty much every new character they introduce ranges from mediocre to plain stupid.
The storyline overall has become pretentious, overdramatic and just stupid.  

[Hatsumi Shinobi]

Biohazard EXTREME

Gameplay wise, yeah. But even the story has been butchered to shits. They ruined most of the good characters, and pretty much every new character they introduce ranges from mediocre to plain stupid.
The storyline overall has become pretentious, overdramatic and just stupid.

I completely agree. I miss the good ol' T-Virus crying  

[Biohazard EXTREME]

Someone should change the name of this thread from, "What could ruin Resident Evil?" to "What ruined Resident Evil?"  

[Hatsumi Shinobi]

Biohazard EXTREME

Someone should change the name of this thread from, "What could ruin Resident Evil?" to "What ruined Resident Evil?"

Indeed. I also noticed that the guild home page has nothing but RE5 images...  

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We had a big discussion about that, right before RE5 came out. The guild Capcain wanted to bring in new fans. Then disappeared for a while, and recently reappeared saying that he hated RE5 as well. I made a new image for the main page in "News/Requests" thread, but I think he's still recovering from his tonsil removal surgery.