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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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 Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:36 am
I'll have to look for it when I go home, I deleted it off my FB in a bad mood, only now I'm worried that I might not have it saved anywhere else... sweatdrop . I should but with two laptop crashes last spring where I have everything backed up is kind of chaotic, hopefully I can find it though. I didn't want it on my FB anymore, but in spite of how I now feel about the artist I still actually want that pic. Bah, damn childish anger. ~_~
Well with Asia specifically it had to do in connection to trade routes, whereas Europe it was more about conquests. Oh those violent Europeans. I'm not really so ashamed because of the race ties except for when I find prejudice directed at myself because of the race ties, then they make me resentful. Because usually, yes, I don't think of them as "my" fellows in any more connection than we are all just people. I mean I think cultural pride is one thing, national pride is one thing. Ethnic pride though, I don't know, it just seems like more of a barrier of difference than anything else. As for right to be how they want to be, sure, unless what they want to be is a gang member thug who has to go murder somebody for an initiation right. Then I have a BIG problem with who they want to be, and if it makes them happy that will make it worse not better. Which is my problem with the gangster image, it is a violent - an unnecessarily violent - image. The uncouth aspects fine, I can ignore those, but the violent ones, those I'm not ok with. Those disgust me, and I just don't know why anyone would choose to be violent and ignorant. I mean it's awful, but whenever I hear about gang members dying in gang related violence, I'll be sad for the situation, or for their family, but for the loss itself? It's hard to see the loss in someone who would probably just as soon have "whacked" someone as well. I remember too much of the outskirts of gang violence at my HS (which usually boiled down to race wars, in my area it was specifically Blacks vs Mexicans vs sometimes Filipinos), I did not like those people, and I want absolutely no associations with them.
Hmm, I don't remember it, right now I am wasting what is very much not free time, and I'm about to go waste more because I want to go to town and do some shopping.
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:17 pm
Ah, I see. ^^;; It always sucks when we end up doing regrettable things from anger. I hope you find it though.
Awww, how sad. Asian countries were more about civil wars though, at least Japan and China. So they were violent in their own way. Yeah, I'm not so sure how I feel about ethnic pride either. Or even national and cultural pride at that. I mean, I don't think it's wrong to feel that way, but it's just not something I really understand. Pride to me always equates to arrogance, you know, thinking you're better than others. So cultural or national pride just seems to be proclaiming that your country is the best, which isn't really my thing. And yes, I also feel that ethnic pride seems more like a barrier than anything; even though it doesn't necessarily mean racism, it is still comparing and dividing races, which isn't needed.
Ah, wasn't referring to actual like... violent gang members when talking about gangsters. XD;; I guess gangster or gangsta has just become such a common term to talk about people trying to act all cool and streetwise, that I don't even associate it with its root anymore, being part of a gang. I usually just say gang members in that situation, but yes, I agree. It's one thing to project an image because you think it's cool ('gangsta,'), and another to actually use that image to hurt others. Even though it seems silly, I'm okay with people wearing droopy pants and bling and saying fo shizzle, but definitely not okay with gang murders and fights.
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:32 am
Yea, I mean I wanted it down I just didn't want it gone and it wasn't until you asked about it that it occurred to me that hmm, did I make sure to have it elsewhere before I did that? *sigh*
I'm not saying they weren't violent, I definitely know they had their battles, it's just a lot of history of their borrowing has to do as much with mutual contacts and benefits more than just conquest. They were a bit smarter about learning from their neighbors than just stomping in and taking over and making the locals think, act and speak like they do (as much as they could). Though a civil war probably wouldn't lead to any outside influences, technically speaking, because by definition a civil war is a war with yourself. xd
Pride doesn't always equal arrogance to me though it often does, which is why I again get touchy about things that celebrate differences you can't choose. Nationality, well, you have your birth, but you can choose a new nationality. So pride in the community you grow up and choose to live in is a little bit less offensive to me then "yay I'm white/black/Hispanic/etc and you aren't so I'm better than you, muhahaha!" I mean I think a little pride in your nation and community is healthy, and respect for your roots as well. It's just about measure.
Yea, anyone just wearing droopy pants and talking retarded would technically just be a poser or wannabe. By definition, a gangster would have to actually be in a gang, that's what the reference is. So yea I do hear gangster/a in reference to people trying to be cool or streetwise, but it is always clearly with the tone of being a wannabe (a wannabe of something that isn't all that desirable and definitely has negative connotations) and just a bit of an idiot. Though they are at least better than the real deal. I seriously wish they'd just one strike expelled all those kids, I'm pretty sure most of them ended up nowhere anyhow. It's sad, but true, and it sucked that I had to spend most of HS actually afraid I was going to get hurt in some crossfire because those idiots were allowed to be around. I mean you should only be involved in so many fights before they boot your a**.
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:41 pm
Haha, true. That part of Asia seemed to wait to try any conquering until more modern centuries.
Yeah, I guess the thought that you can always choose to be a part of a community does make pride in that regard less bothersome to me. I also don't care for double standards in pride, like how if a white person has pride, it goes back to the Ku Klux Klan and 'white power,' but most other races can have pride and no one is bothered. Or how women can have pride of being a women, and it means they're strong and empowered, but if men have pride for being male, it's sexist. Even gay pride I'm iffy about. I think for me, that should be more of a pride in that you're not ashamed of it, and you're out and happy with who you are, not so much thinking it's something to brag about or makes you better than straight people. Yet sometimes I find myself joking about how if everyone was bi life would be easier and stuff. XD *hypocrite*
Gosh, that's ridiculous, to be afraid of your own high school. I've heard that after I graduated, my high school started to get gangs forming in it. Scary to think about.
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:59 am
Considering how conquering worked out for medieval and ancient civilizations that was probably a wiser move. No empire ever lasted, they just get too wide spread and can't even control themselves much less everyone else. *cough*this is part of why we are in a recession America*cough. xd
I definitely agree with that...would it be easier if everyone was a bi hermaphrodite? Hehe, my HS psych teacher introduced the theory of everyone being born bi, and that different influences are what cause us to lean one way or the other, and I think I rather agree with and like that theory. I mean it's dangerous because it crosses into that edge of "gay is a choice," but I don't look at it like that. I look at it as "we're all a little bit gay" and you don't get to choose it, at best you get to choose to ignore it. I mean I think anyone whose open can derive sexual pleasure from anyone. And what differentiates more in relation to orientation is who we connect with on an emotional level rather than a physical one. I think the physical one is more flux, but it's the mental/emotional that's a bit more wired.
I definitely always make white power jokes, and yay white pride. I mean if anyone is really KKK I'd probably be very no no no. But yea, it is hypocritical to denounce white pride or male pride yet tout another ethnicity/gender. And yea my problem with gay pride is it's so obviously making the statement WE ARE DIFFERENT while trying to argue for equal rights. I mean it makes more sense that if you are fighting for equality you should highlight that we are all the same, we are all people, not that we are this other segmented group (that I know some gay people who actually take steps to keep straight people out of).
Haha, my HS got better for awhile, and UCD had it's first murder(s) in over 6 years. Me and my friend were like, omg it's not Logan (our HS)! It's us!! xd
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:45 pm
Yup yup. Plus the conquering in more modern days was more easily stopped because of how easy it has become for nations to work together against a conquering country.
I've always found that an interesting theory, that everyone is born bi, but I'm not sure if I agree with it. Honestly, the reason I'm not sure is because of someone who I thought was really close-minded and insulting; when he heard I was bi, he said he didn't think bisexuality really existed, and everyone was either straight or gay. I thought to myself, "Well, you've never had feelings for attraction to women (he's gay), but that doesn't mean that others can't. Just because you've only felt feelings for one sex doesn't mean that that's how everyone thinks. You can't assume everyone is the same as you, just because that's your own experiences. You can't know what it's like to be bi because you've never been, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You'll just need to trust me when I say I am definitely bi, and I have felt feelings for both genders, and since I exist, then my sexuality must exist also." So thinking on that line, I start to wonder if the reason I seem to assume everyone is at least a little bi is because I've never experienced being straight or lesbian? So I don't understand the need to be with just one gender, and I can't relate to those feelings. But that doesn't mean other people don't have them. So I guess what I'm saying is, yes, I do think it's possible that everyone is born bi, but socialized to possibly become straight or gay, just as I think it's possible that everyone is born with their sexuality completely hardwired. But that just seems a bit too extreme either way, assuming that everyone has similar roots in their situations. I guess I see it as kind of a mix, people are born with natural preferences, but as we grow up, society can effect those preferences and change them. But even that opinion I'm not at all solid on; I could really see almost any theory being true.
Yeah, I think that's what bothers me about gay pride as well. I want it to be more about knowing who you are and being happy with that, and not hiding it, and also maybe being open to explaining your own feelings to people and analyzing your own sexuality and others. Gay pride does feel like too often it's about standing out and being eccentric. I think it's great people are able to be different if that's who they are, but it's almost like there's a group 'style' that LGBT people follow now too, so it's like they're the same in their own group, and only different to the rest of the world. And there also definitely is some shunning among the gay community; like my earlier note of the gay guy who didn't think bisexuality existed. Bisexuals are often shunned by gays and lesbians, as are transgendered people, not to mention gay men who sun women or lesbians who shun men all together. It's like... how can we ever reach equality if the ones looking for equality aren't practicing it themselves? Ghh, sorry, rant. XD;;
Gosh, it's just sickening how common murder can be... there was one at ASU also this semester, though it was actually slightly off campus. It was the murder of a student though; he was mugged on his way home.
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:22 am
Yea, being able to just pick up the phone and:
USA: Dude, England, heads up, Iran just attacked us with airplanes!
UK: Yes, we have already been made aware by the Google.
USA: Ok so you are going to support us right?
UK: Of course we are, this isn't the dark ages.
USA: Good, ok, so we think we'll be declaring war on Iraq in...
UK: WOAH WOAH WOAH, you said Iran bombed you?
USA: Yea?
UK: War on Iraq?
USA: You be helpin' us or not?
UK: ... stressed
Ok so I got a little carried away, but yea a rush takeover just doesn't have the same practicality it used to.
Yea there are several theories, however if there is one thing I've gotten out of psychology is people aren't always the best judge of their own feelings. I mean repression is a big corner of study for a reason. I'm not saying your friend ever has been attracted to a woman, it just doesn't prove that he couldn't be because he never has. What hasn't happened can't always serve as proof of what won't happen. You know you have been attracted to both. But then that's a huge gray area in some ways, not to your case, just in general most everyone I know - who will admit it - has been attracted to both at some point or another. Either out of a social need, a confusion, or just aesthetic appreciation that got mixed into sexual/emotional feelings. There are also a million further reasons. I guess it also goes back into what you want to define as bisexual. I mean there are people who say "if you've ever felt" or "if you've ever done" then you are. Conversely there are people who tend to solidify who you are more on one's "certainty," of who they are. So first the lack of agreed upon definition in itself is problematic for making any definitive arguments. There's also the problem of people who just never feel certainty. The arguments go on and on, in the end, I don't care. People can and should be allowed to be what they feel, it's not hurting anyone else, and just nothing else matters.
No I definitely know you feel, those things get on my nerves as well. It's a hard battle, fighting for tolerance when even the people who feel "shunned" have their own prejudices themselves. And the even more frustrating thing is when they just can't see they hypocrisy of that situation.
Yea my first year in Davis one was on campus (he was shot by the police though, he was apparently harassing a student - I don't think he was one - and was thought to be armed but in the end I don't think he was), one was a body found dumped near an apt building (I have no idea what became of that), and then there was a third incident I barely remember. I don't know if even in self defense I could intentionally try to kill somebody, I would be aiming for escape or incapacitation at the most. I don't know, I think there has to be something severely wrong with a person who could just calculate and justify what is clearly, for no adequate reason, cold blooded murder. Ignorance can only take you so far.
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:22 pm
"been made aware by the Google." XD
Hm, I see what you're saying. You can always eventually prove something exists, but you can't prove that something doesn't exist, as in a specific type of attraction. That does make sense, which is why I would definitely lean more toward everyone being a little bi than no one actually being bi. I just don't want to assume that every single person on earth has had a sort of attraction or something for someone who was not of the sex they usually are interested in. But the possibility always remains for people to go bi. XD
Exactly...
Geez, that just gets so scary. I'm sure there's been more than two deaths at ASU since I joined, but the only two I've heard about were the mugging/murder, and a suicide in one of the classrooms last year. And yeah, I don't think I could ever intentionally kill someone. If someone was attacking me and I had a gun, I would do my best to aim for the legs. And that's only if hitting them was the only thing between them and me.
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:38 am
No, I don't want to assume anything either, and it's just a theory, one that I find much merit in, but not one that I'd necessarily feel a need to even move out of the theory category. I mean the assumption is really only a problem because most people have a discomfiture with the idea of it in application to themselves. People always find a certain measure of interest in anything opposite, likewise, people have at least somewhat of a dependency on some form of a homosocial relationship. The fact that things would at least questioningly blur into the sexual isn't unexpected, nor should it be something to be uncomfortable with. I'm not saying that I think everyone would ever be attracted or want to do something with both or even either genders. I just think sexuality isn't this rigidly defined, concrete aspect that is 100% etched in stone as one motion. Nor am I making the argument that people can "choose" an orientation. I'm just saying sexuality is probably more fluid than people give it credit for, and that fluidity is furthermore, not in the conscience logical control of the subject. It's quite go with the flow, and why not?
Oh yea, we had a suicide. A Japanese international student hung himself in a closet in Sproul (tallest building on campus, which is why I specifically remember it being there). A janitor found him. Cracked under pressure. I dunno, I like a lot of things about Japan, but the sick pressure to succeed is a little disturbing. Suicide is just not the answer.
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:28 am
If push came to shove, I could probably...not kill someone. The other person is probably tons stronger than me. It would take A LOT for me to kill, and pushing me that far wouldn't be enough to save my life anyway. If I had a gun, I'd probably accidentally commit suicide. I've heard that people risk doing that with a gun.
About the sexuality thing, I'm a bit bi-curious, maybe bi-sexual, but I can't really confirm that. That is--I wouldn't know how.
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:46 pm
@JK: Yeah, I think that's the way I would like to see it most too, that sexuality is just very fluid and not completely controllable.
That's just so sad... yeah, I agree about Japan. I think every country has its good and bad aspects, and some of Japan's bad ones are how much pressure they put on being perfect.
@Hawk: I wouldn't try to commit suicide over shooting someone for my own safety, but I'm so clumsy I could see myself accidentally doing so. XD;;
If not bi, do you consider yourself heterosexual or lesbian? Sorry, I can't really help on figuring out how to determine your sexuality. I've never been able to relate to bi-curious or figuring out my sexuality like that. It was more like... I thought I was asexual until the end of high school, then I fell for a girl, so I thought I was lesbian. A year or two later I fell for a guy, so then realized I was bi. *shrug* It wasn't like I had to determine which gender(s) I was attracted to; it was more like I realized I was just attracted to the individuals, and it didn't matter if they were male or female. So I guess that really makes me more pansexual, but it's easier to say bisexual because everyone actually knows that that is. XD;;
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:03 am
@Kitsune: I don't consider myself heterosexual, but I don't have a chance to confirm whether I am or not. I might be more pansexual. I wouldn't commit suicide purposely, but I'd probably misuse the gun before I could defend myself.
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:37 pm
Ah, so maybe more... heteroflexible would be a term for you? XD I'm sorry, I just love that term so much.
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:52 pm
@Hawk - Probably not kill someone, haha, that's cute.
@Kits - Yea, definitely. Random, was in Munich for about an hour, TONS of Asian people, haha. Unexpected I guess. I mean I know it's an airport it's people traveling through, most aren't necessarily German citizens, but still, I was expecting to see tons of Germans. I def want to go to Germany when I have some time to enjoy myself, at the airport alone there was tons of awesome stuff. Got to practice my German reading on the plane, haha. Aww I wish I knew German, it's so much fun, one day. Oh also, tons of cute men, hehe, and weird looking children. Apparently odd looking German boys become cute German men? I'd rather have it that way. xd
I wouldn't aim for suicide, I'd struggle to just not die and if it happens it happens. For me suicide is for like my answer for zombie inquisition. I'd probably try to survive but if it seemed inevitable I'd take death over zombification. lol
Hahaha, heteroflexible.
@Both - I understand bi-curious, especially when you are young. It's not a definitive of what you are, but of the stage of not knowing and trying to figure it out. Pansexual I probably have a harder time with, especially unless someone is very experienced, not in just having sex, but in having sexual feelings in several different forms. I mean I'm pretty sure I'm straight, but I can't even say in my life thus far I've had enough experience in having feelings to appropriately identify them, to identify in which gender, personality, etc etc take place in what attracts me. I just don't think I've had enough experience with attraction to just fully make that commitment. And pansexuality is probably as complex and fine line as it gets.
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:30 pm
Wow, Munich. XD Being in Germany sounds like it was fun. Would've like to try reading some of the stuff.
Yeah, I'd try to wait a zombie outbreak out to see if it gets contained, but if it gets to the point where zombies are knocking down my door, I'd probably do suicide, just to avoid adding myself to the problem.
Hmm, I dunno if I see pansexuality as a thing of experience. Like I'm definitely not experienced in relationships, but I've never felt like gender was something to consider in attraction to begin with. Bisexuality is being attracted to both genders. Pansexuality is not considering gender a factor when feeling attraction. I think a lot of people could mature in relationships and become pansexual, but I think other people just... I dunno, what I did. Fall for people without even realizing it was happening, and then looking back and realizing gender wasn't a factor. I don't feel like it was something I had to mature into; it's just what came most easily to me, and hell, maybe as I mature with relationships, I'll end up becoming bisexual or something instead of pansexual.
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