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 Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:58 am
Yami Takashi @ Momiji: Well I asked her for criticism on some things, but She's been a jackass a lot lately. also as our mutual friend has told me, She hates guy. I annoy her for some reason, and she has some kind of weird thing when it comes to the p***s. I try not to get into the details. I HAD asked her for criticism on my crime scene picture, my planet Vegeta picture and my planet Krypton picture. But the journal comment and all that other stuff was just not right. More or less I'm am particularly pissed at how she says these kittens suck. isign.gifTEFGbanner.gifIt might not be the mona lisa, but I think that's pretty damn good for MS paint. The orange and white ones were not easy. MS paint doesn't let you rotate things very well. You can flip them left and right up and down and onto their side, but not tilt. And I agree her art needs work. Need to fix your post its making the page look messed up... That aside there are just some people that will never get along for they have clashing personalities. And a lesbian that hates males and their anatomy probably isn't going enjoy the company of a guy that finds lesbians attractive in most cases. As far as your artwork goes, no its not the Mona Lisa, but it isn't all that bad either. Thing is your not a gifted artist rather someone with a hobby and she shouldn't expect more then that out of your work. Though for MS paint that is pretty good. My art though isn't drawn or made from scratch, its the lowest end of the art you can get. Its cutting and cropping multiple preexisting artworks and adding little of self-made things and layered together. My siggy is one of my products, though they look nice they don't take nearly as much effort that you put into your drawings and because its not all originally my art that its made up of, it can't truly nor completely be called my own. But hey, I'm not an artist its just one of my hobbies.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:34 pm
Momiji Akiko Amara Su What you refuse to realize is that the classification was originally made due to conservative political pressure - for it to be reversed due to liberal political pressure is only an equalization of things. What CHANGED was that people ceased to be so small-minded and conservative and saw that people were being MISLABELED. Yelling at me does not make your opinions and support of an outmoded perspective FACT, no matter how many times you SAY IT. Calling the enjoyment of having power over someone a mental disease is your OPINION. It is a very natural way to feel - gratification derived from power is hard-wired into the human psyche - where it falls into the territory of "wrong" is how one channels that urge. You're still dodging how consent is vitally important - heck, it is key -in the determination of the "wrongness" of just about anything. You make it sound secondary, but it is not - consensual sex is okay, non-consensual sex is NOT. Most legal agreements are based upon consensual agreement - if they are not so, they are likely not legal. It is a very important aspect of human society, and should not be dismissed so easily. Anyway, now we're wandering into morality, which is closely and intimately associated with religious belief, so maybe we should back away from it - there is nothing to be gained from wandering into that minefield. The original debate was whether S&M was considered a mental disease, and we have established that it is not, as long as it is consesnsual - whether or not we agree with this is immaterial. Right so if you wanted to kill someone and you found someone who wanted to be killed, its okay then right? I mean if its so vital. That means if a 10 year old gives consent to have sex that's okay right? Its not the lack of consent that makes it wrong, it is the act. Conservatives were the ones that classified ***** as a mental illness, so should the liberals that fight against that get their way because it balances it out? I mean, after all "consent" is "vitally important". I never said that consent operates in a vacuum - of course there are other laws that affect the "wrongness" of something. Killing has always been a basic no-no - BUT one must admit that there are times when killing someone who wants to be killed should be allowed - terminal suffering, etc. Quote: None of what I said has anything to do with religious belief. Actually, nothing in scriptures even mentions BDSM or anything like it. I didn't say that - I said that a discussion of morality is awfully close to a discussion of religion (most moral codes are derived from religious codes, yes?) I never said ANYTHING about this specific topic being mentioned in scripture - you're assuming a few things with that leap. Quote: What comes down to is that what you say about "having power over someone" as being "hardwired", you have no evidence of that, its merely opinion. Surely, you can find somewhere in nature where an animal derives pleasure from pain (inflicting or receiving), right? And Yes, it is a mental disease, the same mental disease that all serial killers, serial rapists and tortures have. You can think it natural all you like but because an Association under political pressure changed its view doesn't make it any less of a disease. Now, this is just you denying the original point again - the APA does NOT see it as a disease, and no matter how many times you say it is, IT IS NOT. This is FACT. Quote: If I pretend that "Child Molestation" no longer harms the children, like many liberals have been claiming, does that really mean the children will really be okay? I mean after all if they gave consent. Since consent makes all the difference. Right? I'm sure you know the answer to that already. Maybe if you looked at the picture as a whole and seen that the same people that have be helping remove Sadomasochism and Homosexuality from the list of mental illness and giving them legal status have been working to make the legal age of consent 12 years of age (ACLU Handbook), bestiality as legal, light punishments for child sexual offenders, assisted suicide legal and many other things. So before you start your banter on "those mean old conservative fuddy duddies" perhaps you might want to look at the world if we followed your argument to its rightful conclusion. That being all laws made by "Conservatives", because they were made by "Conservatives", be over-written by those "Liberals" that find fault in these puritanical laws. Nothing would be taboo except to speak out condemning those things as taboos. We would look a lot like one of those European countries (can't remember its name, Denmark or Norway perhaps it was) that has "KINDERGARTNERS" sexually experimenting in the classroom as an "ACTUAL" school course. Go look it up it is actually happening. Oh, but just a guess, I imagine you're not for those things right? So when do you apply this balance to these laws (legal, medical, etc )written by conservatives? When you fall under them, am I right? Then that's when things should change. Can't have people thinking bad of me, after all I'm no murderer. Nonetheless, however less of a bad or sick person you are then a murderer doesn't make you not sick. The fact is, it IS an illness and saying its not means little. If they said Narcissistic Personality Disorder was no longer an illness would you follow suit to argue me to death defending it as not? Certainly not. An illness is an illness. This entire section begins with "pretend" and is just an exercise in supposition, and is waaaay off-topic. I'm not even going to address this straw man.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:27 pm
Kagato-chan IS right about why they changed S&M to not be a disorder. It's because they made it streamlined with the criteria for what MAKES a disorder:
With the publication of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) in 1994 new criteria of diagnosis were available describing Sadomasochism clearly not as disorders of sexual preferences. They are now not regarded as illnesses in and of themselves. The DSM-IV asserts that "The fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors" must "cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning" in order for sexual sadism or masochism to be considered a disorder. The manuals' latest edition (DSM-IV-TR) requires that the activity must be the sole means of sexual gratification for a period of six (6) months, and either cause "clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning" or involve a violation of consent to be diagnosed as a paraphilia.[7]
Therefore as long as it's consensual, isn't their sole source of sexual pleasure, and doesn't ******** with their ability to work, function in society, etc. then it's not a disorder. If it violates ONE of those, THEN it becomes a disorder just like any other. It's no more a psychology disorder then say...roleplaying a doctor or nurse fantasy according to Modern Psychology. ^^;
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:35 pm
Momiji Akiko That sounds horrible, I'm at a loss for words. I'll be praying for you. I've been borderline Atheist (i believe but not actively warship) for a while now, and that actually makes me feel better thank you.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:44 pm
Amara Su I never said that consent operates in a vacuum - of course there are other laws that affect the "wrongness" of something. Killing has always been a basic no-no - BUT one must admit that there are times when killing someone who wants to be killed should be allowed - terminal suffering, etc. Well, what a surprise. You think its okay to take life. I know you're going to defend ones so-called right to die, but the taking of a life is the taking of a life. But you don't believe in morality so I guess something like that would matter little to you. Not in a Vacuum, eh? So I'll ask again. When does it apply? When you fall under it? Then an exception should be made for you? Don't mistake me, I'm not saying BDSM should be illegal, in fact I believe that most things done in private are just that, private. That being said though, to have those kinds of feelings (pleasure derived from power over others or from inflicting or receiving pain) are signs of an illness. Amara Su Now, this is just you denying the original point again - the APA does NOT see it as a disease, and no matter how many times you say it is, IT IS NOT. This is FACT. That's right, its only a disease when its found in serial killers, serial rapists, torturers and wife beaters, right? I mean after all political pressure from a vocal minority makes the illness no longer an illness, right? Amara Su This entire section begins with "pretend" and is just an exercise in supposition, and is waaaay off-topic. I'm not even going to address this straw man. Actually, liberals have been making that argument and everything I said there was true, but if you don't like the inevitable end of your line of thinking by all means call it a straw man and not answer it.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:54 pm
Momiji Akiko Need to fix your post its making the page look messed up... That aside there are just some people that will never get along for they have clashing personalities. And a lesbian that hates males and their anatomy probably isn't going enjoy the company of a guy that finds lesbians attractive in most cases. As far as your artwork goes, no its not the Mona Lisa, but it isn't all that bad either. Thing is your not a gifted artist rather someone with a hobby and she shouldn't expect more then that out of your work. Though for MS paint that is pretty good. My art though isn't drawn or made from scratch, its the lowest end of the art you can get. Its cutting and cropping multiple preexisting artworks and adding little of self-made things and layered together. My siggy is one of my products, though they look nice they don't take nearly as much effort that you put into your drawings and because its not all originally my art that its made up of, it can't truly nor completely be called my own. But hey, I'm not an artist its just one of my hobbies. Well its just a hobby now, and a lot of what i have up are old works that were done when i was less experienced. As soon as i get some things taken care of, the hobby is going be the job/hobby (but i'll keep other jobs) I just don't spend every waking day trying to make Art to make it. I have my good days, my bad days and my "I can't believe its art days and I'm doing it" days. I can't believe its art Example 1 I can't believe its art Example 2Though some considers that art/artistic I don't. In fact the only reason I took those pictures was because I knew my dumbass teachers would eat them up. I need to start drawing by hand again, but i'm trying to find a job so my hands are tied at the moment. I use to draw all the time with pen and not make many mistakes. Once I got older things changed.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:58 pm
Ayanami Rei First Child Kagato-chan IS right about why they changed S&M to not be a disorder. It's because they made it streamlined with the criteria for what MAKES a disorder: With the publication of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) in 1994 new criteria of diagnosis were available describing Sadomasochism clearly not as disorders of sexual preferences. They are now not regarded as illnesses in and of themselves. The DSM-IV asserts that "The fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors" must "cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning" in order for sexual sadism or masochism to be considered a disorder. The manuals' latest edition (DSM-IV-TR) requires that the activity must be the sole means of sexual gratification for a period of six (6) months, and either cause "clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning" or involve a violation of consent to be diagnosed as a paraphilia.[7] Therefore as long as it's consensual, isn't their sole source of sexual pleasure, and doesn't ******** with their ability to work, function in society, etc. then it's not a disorder. If it violates ONE of those, THEN it becomes a disorder just like any other. It's no more a psychology disorder then say...roleplaying a doctor or nurse fantasy according to Modern Psychology. ^^; As I said, they made an exception in order to be able to remove certain things from the list which they were being pressured politically to remove. So whats your point? That because they decided that causing pain for the sole purpose of pleasure no longer is a sign of an illness as long as you find pleasure in other things too? BTK, for instance found pleasure in things other then 'having control over others' and 'inflicting pain on others for pleasure' he also had a family so he had to have found it in other things in order to produce children. So he found pleasure in other things, how does that nonsense that something "being your sole source of pleasure" makes it an illness? The APA is a joke and they prove it with their own work. EDIT: Forgot to add, so people that look at child porn as long as its in moderation and is not their sole source of sexual gratification or how about those that have sex with animals, so long as they find sexual pleasure in more then just bestiality then its not a disorder? The APA has left themselves a hole for others to fallow the sadomasochists route. How convenient....
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:00 pm
Yami Takashi Momiji Akiko That sounds horrible, I'm at a loss for words. I'll be praying for you. I've been borderline Atheist (i believe but not actively warship) for a while now, and that actually makes me feel better thank you. You're quite welcome. ^_^
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:11 pm
Yami Takashi Momiji Akiko Need to fix your post its making the page look messed up... That aside there are just some people that will never get along for they have clashing personalities. And a lesbian that hates males and their anatomy probably isn't going enjoy the company of a guy that finds lesbians attractive in most cases. As far as your artwork goes, no its not the Mona Lisa, but it isn't all that bad either. Thing is your not a gifted artist rather someone with a hobby and she shouldn't expect more then that out of your work. Though for MS paint that is pretty good. My art though isn't drawn or made from scratch, its the lowest end of the art you can get. Its cutting and cropping multiple preexisting artworks and adding little of self-made things and layered together. My siggy is one of my products, though they look nice they don't take nearly as much effort that you put into your drawings and because its not all originally my art that its made up of, it can't truly nor completely be called my own. But hey, I'm not an artist its just one of my hobbies. Well its just a hobby now, and a lot of what i have up are old works that were done when i was less experienced. As soon as i get some things taken care of, the hobby is going be the job/hobby (but i'll keep other jobs) I just don't spend every waking day trying to make Art to make it. I have my good days, my bad days and my "I can't believe its art days and I'm doing it" days. I can't believe its art Example 1 I can't believe its art Example 2Though some considers that art/artistic I don't. In fact the only reason I took those pictures was because I knew my dumbass teachers would eat them up. I need to start drawing by hand again, but i'm trying to find a job so my hands are tied at the moment. I use to draw all the time with pen and not make many mistakes. Once I got older things changed. Well, I wish you the best of luck in that, it can't be hard to find a job as an artist. So are you also taking a course in photography also? Well, "practice makes perfect" they always say, I'm sure if you got back to it that it would improve.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:19 pm
Momiji Akiko Yami Takashi Momiji Akiko Need to fix your post its making the page look messed up... That aside there are just some people that will never get along for they have clashing personalities. And a lesbian that hates males and their anatomy probably isn't going enjoy the company of a guy that finds lesbians attractive in most cases. As far as your artwork goes, no its not the Mona Lisa, but it isn't all that bad either. Thing is your not a gifted artist rather someone with a hobby and she shouldn't expect more then that out of your work. Though for MS paint that is pretty good. My art though isn't drawn or made from scratch, its the lowest end of the art you can get. Its cutting and cropping multiple preexisting artworks and adding little of self-made things and layered together. My siggy is one of my products, though they look nice they don't take nearly as much effort that you put into your drawings and because its not all originally my art that its made up of, it can't truly nor completely be called my own. But hey, I'm not an artist its just one of my hobbies. Well its just a hobby now, and a lot of what i have up are old works that were done when i was less experienced. As soon as i get some things taken care of, the hobby is going be the job/hobby (but i'll keep other jobs) I just don't spend every waking day trying to make Art to make it. I have my good days, my bad days and my "I can't believe its art days and I'm doing it" days. I can't believe its art Example 1 I can't believe its art Example 2Though some considers that art/artistic I don't. In fact the only reason I took those pictures was because I knew my dumbass teachers would eat them up. I need to start drawing by hand again, but i'm trying to find a job so my hands are tied at the moment. I use to draw all the time with pen and not make many mistakes. Once I got older things changed. Well, I wish you the best of luck in that, it can't be hard to find a job as an artist. So are you also taking a course in photography also? Well, "practice makes perfect" they always say, I'm sure if you got back to it that it would improve. I'm out of school, those were just old pics. The teachers loved them though.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:51 pm
Momiji Akiko Well, what a surprise. You think its okay to take life. I know you're going to defend ones so-called right to die, but the taking of a life is the taking of a life. But you don't believe in morality so I guess something like that would matter little to you. Now you're not even debating, you're assuming and judging. Quote: Not in a Vacuum, eh? So I'll ask again. When does it apply? When you fall under it? Then an exception should be made for you? Don't mistake me, I'm not saying BDSM should be illegal, in fact I believe that most things done in private are just that, private. That being said though, to have those kinds of feelings (pleasure derived from power over others or from inflicting or receiving pain) are signs of an illness. An exception for me? What? Stop putting words into my mouth. You know when it applies? When it is supported by another law. Consensual acts are not legal when they break another law. It's a pretty simple concept. Quote: That's right, its only a disease when its found in serial killers, serial rapists, torturers and wife beaters, right? I mean after all political pressure from a vocal minority makes the illness no longer an illness, right? Your first point is correct, the second is, again, your opinion. Quote: Actually, liberals have been making that argument and everything I said there was true, but if you don't like the inevitable end of your line of thinking by all means call it a straw man and not answer it. It IS a straw man - the topic of discussion was S&M - to branch off into child molestation was a totally different topic, and thus NOT part of the debate.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:45 pm
Amara Su Now you're not even debating, you're assuming and judging. What else am I to say? You said it yourself, assisted suicide in the cases of the suffering is fine. So at what part of that was I wrong? Oh, BTW. It's hard for me not to judge most people that find it okay to end a human life other then in self defense. That also includes abortion, assisted suicide, euthanasia. etc... Quote: An exception for me? What? Stop putting words into my mouth. You know when it applies? When it is supported by another law. Consensual acts are not legal when they break another law. It's a pretty simple concept. Actually, liberals have been trying to make those legal too, and in some countries they are legal. So when they become legal then its no longer an illness? Quote: Your first point is correct, the second is, again, your opinion. Whatever you say. I guess logic is considered opinion these days. Quote: It IS a straw man - the topic of discussion was S&M - to branch off into child molestation was a totally different topic, and thus NOT part of the debate. Actually, it was S&M as an illness, why it was no longer an illness and why it should or should not be an illness. My question as little as you would like to address it was very relevant to the topic. For the same forces at work that made it no longer considered an illness are the very same ones moving to make things such as ***** and bestiality no longer as such as well. Also, how the line of thinking you use to defend sadomasochism will inevitably end with removal of those as illnesses and give them legal status just like in other countries.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:54 pm
Yami Takashi Momiji Akiko Yami Takashi Momiji Akiko Need to fix your post its making the page look messed up... That aside there are just some people that will never get along for they have clashing personalities. And a lesbian that hates males and their anatomy probably isn't going enjoy the company of a guy that finds lesbians attractive in most cases. As far as your artwork goes, no its not the Mona Lisa, but it isn't all that bad either. Thing is your not a gifted artist rather someone with a hobby and she shouldn't expect more then that out of your work. Though for MS paint that is pretty good. My art though isn't drawn or made from scratch, its the lowest end of the art you can get. Its cutting and cropping multiple preexisting artworks and adding little of self-made things and layered together. My siggy is one of my products, though they look nice they don't take nearly as much effort that you put into your drawings and because its not all originally my art that its made up of, it can't truly nor completely be called my own. But hey, I'm not an artist its just one of my hobbies. Well its just a hobby now, and a lot of what i have up are old works that were done when i was less experienced. As soon as i get some things taken care of, the hobby is going be the job/hobby (but i'll keep other jobs) I just don't spend every waking day trying to make Art to make it. I have my good days, my bad days and my "I can't believe its art days and I'm doing it" days. I can't believe its art Example 1 I can't believe its art Example 2Though some considers that art/artistic I don't. In fact the only reason I took those pictures was because I knew my dumbass teachers would eat them up. I need to start drawing by hand again, but i'm trying to find a job so my hands are tied at the moment. I use to draw all the time with pen and not make many mistakes. Once I got older things changed. Well, I wish you the best of luck in that, it can't be hard to find a job as an artist. So are you also taking a course in photography also? Well, "practice makes perfect" they always say, I'm sure if you got back to it that it would improve. I'm out of school, those were just old pics. The teachers loved them though. Ah, so do you plan on taking any higher education courses for art or photography?
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:50 am
Momiji Akiko Ah, so do you plan on taking any higher education courses for art or photography? I went to college to study graphic design, that don't count?
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