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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:47 pm
Kay kay.
And that's funny; Karma and I just watched V for Vendetta for the first time a couple weeks ago. I will admit I was a bit disappointed; not that there was much really wrong with the movie, I was just expecting to really like it and it ended up not really being my cup of tea. Kind of weird considering how much I love Watchmen. But eh, it happens sometimes. Good movie, just not the type I get very into.
Yes, it is really ridiculous, and what pisses us off the most is we have so many people needing this classes because they're the only ones we can take for the credit, yet they only do one of each per semester with only ten or fifteen spots. They fill up within the first two days of registration, before everyone's even allowed to register. I mean, no we don't have to do the same things again unless we have the same teacher who uses all the same projects, but even then they're so open-ended we could do something completely different. But still, I'd prefer to be able to get a different type of class instead.
Awww, I don't think people at Yaoi Cons would consider anyone creepers since everyone there are already kinda creepers. XD Besides, girls generally can get away with more without being creepy, and considering we're pretty much the first generation of western yaoi fans as a large group, I bet a lot of the original yaoi con crowd will grow up with you and keep attending.
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:55 am
I wouldn't say V for Vendetta is anything like Watchmen. Not just in terms of generic things like hero type, but just in terms of moral and message. I don't particularly like the Watchmen movie (I do love the graphic novel though), I feel the movie lost so much of the point and message that was in the novel. I haven't read V for Vendetta, and I know the author of the novel was displeased with the film. Which I find interesting. Unlike with Watchmen where I can clearly sense where plot is just missing, in V I can't do the same. So my only conclusion (if the author isn't indeed just being a brat) is that the direction behind each media is completely different. In which case I wonder what I'd like more. I didn't care much for the love story in V though, and I do wish the film delved more into V's background specifically. I'll try to pick up the novel when I get a chance.
Yea that's always the worst part. I don't think that issue existed so much at Davis, at least while I was there. Though I do know of (at least lately) Animal Science majors having similar types of problems. My friend is about to finish her last quarter of undergrad though, but it means she delved into a 7th year. All because of an inability to get required courses/courses that are required just not being offered. I'm sorry, but a university at bare minimum should be able to guarantee students finish on time (barring mitigating circumstances not related to things like course avalability).
Yea, haha, that's true. I'd just feel a bit out of place if I was clearly the oldest person at a certain convention. However I'm hoping that doesn't end up the case. Guess it'll depend on the progression of Yaoi in Western culture.
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:50 pm
Yeah, true. Just guess I expected the titles to be similar having the same author, but yeah you're right; movie could be significantly different from the comic. I did like the Watchmen movie though; I agree it didn't have the same point or message, but considering Watchmen was written to be unable to be made into a movie, I gotta give them props for doing decent. I feel it maintained the emotional feelings of the comic, even with all the missing plot points, and that was the most important thing to me. Overall I don't feel the Watchmen movie can measure up to the comic, but on its own it wasn't bad. Haha, though Allen Moore does tend to always be a brat about those kinds of things. And I agree; I thought the love story in V was completely unnecessary. It just didn't fit in with the demented relationship the two had before then. I really didn't want Evey to like V; respect him at the most, but not like, and certainly not love. It just seemed too out of place. If you read the novel go ahead and let me know if you think it was different enough from the movie for me to give it a try though.
Exactly. The university has records of all of their students and what their majors are; it's their responsibility to provide the necessary classes that the university itself requires, and in the necessary amounts. If they can't keep up with their own student populations, stop letting too many students in.
I think it would take twenty years at least for you to be the oldest person at Yaoi Con, and I still highly doubt you'd be then.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:55 pm
I enjoyed the movie well enough, but it was too hard for me to not compare it with the comic. I don't think I heavily felt connected to most of the characters in the comic (yet it was one of those rare circumstances where, in spite of generally being character based, I didn't mind) so without the solid plot it just felt too hollow to me. Given the intro to the movie it was a given that she'd have to end up loving V, I just don't felt there was anything else that made it believable that she'd fall for V. However I do hope to get to the comic eventually, so if I do I'll let you know if it's worth the read. Shall be when I'm less bogged down in/stressed with phD proposal. Which is also why I haven't gotten back to the roleplay, just too stressed for that kind of creative writing. Really sorry. Shall at least get to it by this weekend if not before though, hoping that since I'll have a free evening tomorrow - in theory - I can sit down and try to will my creativity back then. I miss it!! :'(
See it's not even too many students, they have more than enough students to offer the courses, that's going to be true of pretty much any course that is a major requirement (particularly when no equal requirement course is being offered). They just don't want to pay more faculty to run the courses. I mean it's one thing to drop a course and change the requirements of the major (or keep offering the course only too current students who just need to finish a degree they've already started and have new students start off on a new program structure), but they don't do that. What they are doing is trying to phase out an entire major, but it's pretty shitty to do that while there are still people currently in the middle of it. I mean this almost never happens in basic degrees like English, or financially viable degrees like Engineering. It's specialty degrees they no longer want to keep faculty on hand for, and it's seriously depressing.
Hahaha, here's to hoping the current generation Cons on. ^_~
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:49 pm
I think it helped for me that I saw the movie first, so I had nothing to compare it to. Also part of what sells me is I always think of the epic Watchmen trailer before the actual movie (the one with the song The Beginning is the End is the Beginning), and it just gets me all giddy and in the mood for dark things. And yeah, it's like, "Oooh, he kidnapped and tortured me! I've suddenly realized I'm in love with him!" I liked that V did that to Evey; it was a horrible thing to do, but it fit in with V's personality and how he's not really likable as a person, Evey's character development, and the overall theme of the movie, but that is not something a person should do who you fall in love with! Aha, okay, hope your creativity returns! Mine never seems to go away; I just often get too tired to find a way to cohesively express that creativity in a way someone else could read. I miss the roleplay too, but I'd rather you actually like what you're writing. Good luck with your phD proposal!
Ugh, that just pisses me off so much. And they're still letting a lot more students into the major. We're hiring them and paying them to pay our class faculty; it's not right that they can get away with not providing that, and in the process get more money from us by making us stay extra semesters.
Yes. XD
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:08 am
I do remember really being impressed with the Watchmen trailer. I then however didn't get to anything Watchmen for over a year or two, and when I did it was the comic and then soon after the film. I also went into the film having been told that most people have a hard time following the film who haven't seen the movie first, so I was constantly immersed in trying to discern if what I was following the film or automatically filling plot holes via what I knew from the book. Which had me hyper focused on the book, and the film just wasn't living up in comparison. I think it's entertaining, and I think you could probably follow the film on its own (though you certainly wouldn't get much message wise beyond a thin veil of the central plot theme), but I ended up lamenting what was lost too much to properly enjoy the film I think. On trailers, I remember feeling that way about Nine, feeling the trailer was so awesome and dark. And I liked the film, but I watched it waiting and waiting for this awesomeness promised in the trailer that really never came. I think I felt that movie was a big build up to something, only they forgot to put the something in. Won't say more than that in case you haven't seen it. I think the big problem with the torture was just she too easily accepted fine, it was important, and then even more quickly just left. So she hadn't been with V for months before she returns for the end, and sure she could have fantasized an ideal in that time. I just don't buy it. She really wasn't with him enough, and didn't get to know him as an individual (rather than a symbol) enough to actually truly love him in the sense that we were supposed to believe she loved him (i.e. as man rather than symbol).
I guess my creativity never goes away either, just the energy to express it as you said. And thanks, my adviser has sent back my proposal draft with amendments and suggestions, which he wants me to adapt and send back to him. He says it then should be ready to send off. Haven't opened the document yet, but as long as none of these suggestions involve me needing to go to more research first I should be able to get it in by next week. I think its the stress of this that has me not as motivated to do things creative. I'm too weighted down with anxiety and fear. Even if the proposal goes through I still have to survive loans and then securing another student visa. However once the proposal is in I'll try to calm down until I at least hear back on step 1. No point worrying about the rest, nor worrying about what will then be out of my hands I suppose.
It isn't right, I definitely agree. It is one thing I like better about the UK system. You don't seem to get as much tuition for what you pay (though until next year when tuition fees raise massively here, they pay about 1/3rd of what US students pay for education), but you do get a concise structure that is skills/career oriented with completion in mind. Each major is designed to finish in 3. You don't get to take as many extracurricular subjects (at least as part of your degree), but you are on course to get exactly what you are paying for. I do approve of that concise structure. One of my friends home in Hayward has had 2 lectures canceled already this term and 2 more are already scheduled to be missed. It's a 2 day a week class on the quarter system, that means 20% of the class has been cancelled. It's just ridiculous.
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:47 pm
Oh, well from the perspective of someone who saw the movie first, I was (surprisingly) able to follow the Watchmen movie just fine. I normally have a hard time following movies in theaters because of my hearing, but they seemed to do a really good job on the audio quality, so I heard and understood everything. I mean, I don't know how it is for other people, but the way the plot was explained and all of that was relatively easy to follow in my opinion, as long as I could hear it. XD I never did see Nine (unless you mean 9?), but remember Karma wanted to see it. I don't remember what it was about though? And yes, I agree entirely about the stuff with Evey and V.
Yes, that's right, just worry over one thing at a time. Glad you got some advice on your draft, and hope it keeps pushing forward.
Man, I'm jelly of the UK system. That's just ridiculous, missing 20% of a class. And hell, I've signed up for a class before and two days before the semester started they just dropped the whole class, so I had to rush and grab another class to get the proper credit, or I couldn't keep my scholarship. I was lucky one fit in my schedule that covered the same requirement as the dropped class; though it ended up being one of the worst classes I've ever taken.
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:22 am
I guess with Watchmen people felt there should be a lot more why to the story than was present in the movie. Knowing that the comic has so much why, I think I understand that feeling. And sorry, yes, I meant 9 not Nine.
Yea the lack of organization in many US schools is really disappointing. I do like some of the freedom to do what you like with your degree, but I definitely think it needs a tighter focus both in terms of ability to complete a degree and in terms of adaptability/usefulness of the degree outside of the university. I mean people get college degrees so that they can be applicable to work. Yet so many industries want experience versus degrees, and it is evident most degrees don't give you experience. Like in the UK most of the sciences have a heavier lab or field work requirement. So you get the academic stuff but also the practical learning you'd need outside of the classroom.
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:41 pm
Yeah, I can see how people would feel that. I agree, but from the point of view of someone who didn't know how in depth the novel went, the movie still covered and explained the plot fairly well. Ah, okay. I remember it was confusing because Nine and 9 came out around the same time. XD But I felt the same way about 9; it looked so epic, and by all means I did like the movie. It was cute, the animation was gorgeous, and the atmosphere was just great. But it was just missing that 'umpf' that I was expecting from the preview, and ended up not being particularly memorable.
Yeah, I like being able to not be sentenced to one type of career based on your degree, but we do need more experience. Jobs only want experience, yet you can't get experience without getting a job. It's like a horrible... ugh, damn, the word's on the tip of my tongue... like when you're stuck in a loop like that... do you know what the word is? It's bothering me and I can't even describe it in a way that I could find it on Google. XD
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:50 pm
I totally remember how Nine and 9 came out at the same time, and it was definitely confusing, especially when talking about them. District 9 came out at the same time as well. All in 2009. It was ANNOYING. And that is exactly how I felt about 9. It was cute, the animation was so much fun, the atmosphere and mood fitting. And the whole time I felt it was building up to some mind-blowing revelation. Which didn't come, and the ending that did come, really didn't seem very fulfilling or resolving. Never saw Nine. District 9 I did see, hated it the first time, liked it better the second time. I generally don't like documentary style movies anyhow, especially ones with serious themes. Comedy (such as Religulous - which I saw yesterday - and Spinal Tap, fine). Serious ones are so trenched in believability they usually hit boring, and generally they do weird things with camera angles. District 9 did neither, however you cannot possibly like ANY of the humans, particularly the main one. So it isn't until halfway through when you get to know a few of the aliens that you can feel any sympathy or connection to anything. So in the second watching, I was viewing knowing eventually I'd be able to connect to something. Which made it more enjoyable than the first time, where I thought nothing redeemable would ever arise. In conclusion, 2009 was confusing. razz
Well I don't think the English are really sentenced to one type of career, they just have degrees that are specified to career application. Plus their degrees are shorter, so going back and changing fields isn't the same commitment it is in the States. I assume you are going for self-fulfilling prophecy, infinite loop, or vicious cycle. Either way I get what you mean, and yes, it's awful.
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:45 pm
Yeah, but now that you say it was all in 2009, suddenly it makes sense; they wanted to release it for the year. XD At least that's a little less of a coincidence. But it was like when Avatar and The Last Airbender came out around the same time too, ugh. Never saw Nine nor District 9. I usually like documentary films (not necessarily because of the style, but because they tend to be horror-ish, and I almost always love horror movies), and I heard good things about District 9; just never got to it.
Ah, well that's nice. I still jelly. And no, it's an actual word I'm thinking of, like a single word... I keep wanting to say conundrum, but I know that's not it. And my gut tells me it starts with TH, but that's probably wrong too...
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:06 am
I figured it was for 2009, but it was still kinda confusing. I don't know what made '09 so special. Guess nobody had an "8" or "10 screenplays lying around, but they had about a dozen "9s" and jumped at the chance to be quirky. razz And yea I was really confused at first with Avatar, because I knew Air Bender was coming out soon and so when I saw the first Avatar preview I was like wait, that's totally not right. I love horror movies too, however so many of them end up seeming like a fake collaboration of a bunch of idiots, and more often than not seem to prove hoax and/or stupid rather than anything truly terrifying. Or conversely, the camera angles just make me nauseous (like with Cloverfield, although I thought that one failed to have a good point, monster and resolution/finale as well) and irritated. Anyhow you might like District 9. It's not exactly horror per se, at least not in a straight forward sense (in a perception sense yes, it arguably is), but it's a similar feel. Even if you are like me and don't like the people, you might find other elements you like about the first half as well that just didn't do it for me.
Conundrum would kind of fit there. Anyhow good luck not being driven horribly insane by the unknown word. xd
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:46 pm
Yeah, silly Hollywood and its need to make 2009 special. XD The camera stuff never makes me nauseous for documentary films, and I like the effects they can get with it with horror, like how you're limited to only seeing what the character sees. Paranormal Activity 3 (bless its poor, won't-stay-dead soul) actually had a really good example of this, where they attached the camera to a fan so they could cover more parts of the house, but the camera would go back and forth, and that actually helped with the creepiness, expecting something to be there as the camera turned back towards it that wasn't there a second ago. But anyway, I'm not picky with horror movies; I get into suspense easily, so as long as it's psychological horror, I'll probably end up liking it.
PARADOX!! It's paradox!! There's been like five times since I first got stuck that I tried to think of the word but still couldn't, but right as I read you re-saying conundrum, it just popped into my head!! OMG, thank you!!!!
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:00 am
It does seem like an ideal horror technique, but I just end up really frustrated watching something in first person perspective. Especially as it's first POV without my having any control. Like in first person video games if I want to look left I can, however with films I'm watching something that's giving me the semblance of "my perspective" without actually letting me look where I might want to look. I personally tend to look around everywhere and constantly, so it's just not my own personal style of looking at the world. So it feels too frustrating and limiting for me personally to enjoy the film.
Haha, no need to thank me, conundrum was originally your suggestion anyhow. Wasn't thinking paradox, but yea, that fits the scenario. Glad your frustration has come to an end. razz
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:32 pm
I definitely feel the same frustration of not being able to control the first person perspective, but I think that helps enhance the creepiness for me. XD
And thanks, at least for the frustration of not remembering a word. There's still the whole frustration of, you know, college and work experience.
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