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 Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:29 pm
x3 thisismysn x3 The Broken Man Three most common reasons to How an Atheist came to be
a) Personal problems. Might be anything from your dog died to your whole town died. Anything out of the blue may cause one to seemingly spontaneously decide to stop believing in a god or a higher power.
b) A Religion based inconsistency or immorality/scandal/controversy or prejudice.
c) Socio-economic problems and issues.
Although I've said in letter A that one might just decide out of nowhere that he/she wants to be an atheist, that almost never [or just never, actually] happens. As it is [almost] always a build up or a combination of any of the three.
And if this means anything, I was once an Atheist. Until of course, I realized that I still do believe in a higher power, that something up there would make things right for me when everything went horribly wrong. Laugh at me or whatever, but I believe in God, or Destiny. Or whatever you'd want to call that entity up there. I prefer not give him/her/it a name. Nor an identity.
Mostly because I'm an athiest, and I don't have any huge personal issues, I've never had to deal with a religious scandal, and I'm pretty sure I don't have any socio-economic issues.
I have just never believed in any kind of God.
On another note...
Another assumption that bugs me that people make about athiests is that people peg me as automatically anti-religion.
That is so not true.
I think religion is fascinating and has helped numerous people.
Just because I don't believe in a God doesn't mean I'm completely against religions.
And when I was introduced to scientific theorems, I realized that it actually made sense. Something that the Bible rarely makes. And not only that, but the theories, such as evolution, are actually backed up by proof, rather then the Bible just expecting you to believe in it.
That's pretty much it. =/
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:17 am
If I ever see some evidence of a God, or a Devil, or any form of higher being, I may start believing in it. Untill then I'm convinced that organized religion just gives people someone to blame for things that happen in their lives, it's just a way to give up responsibility for the person they have become. And I don't only mean that in a bad way, some very intelligent people give thanks to "God" for making them so smart, but they don't thank themselves for working so hard to become that way. I'm an Athiest, and I am in no form of a socio-economical crisis. I have no problem with the churches and their scandals, the people in charge of church are human, coruption dates back to before the Crusades, there is corruption in any organization because that is the human nature. And my dog did die, but it had nothing to do with a horrible unforgiving God that I just couldn't stand to believe in, no person problems have led me to Atheism. It was a logical choice.
EDIT: No personal problems have led me Atheism.
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:30 pm
Atheism isn't a religion, but rather a lack of one. Theism = religion. Theism broken into two parts - Poly(many) or Mono(one). The A before the theism in atheism makes it the opposite of theism. Meaning - Atheism isn't a religion. (but its is),,,
ok heres a point I have to make many people and most SHOULD KNOW!
that the old church(meaning old chatholic church like before martin luther)
was afake trick to take peoples money, so of course there are fake churches that branched off that..
so I'm going to talk more on my religion which can be considered christianisty but i prefer to call it "the undeniable fact."
that its impossible for people to in anyway evolves ,mutate or form from nothing!... so you say we made up God ...right ....NO!
you see even if God does NOT exist then there is still no proof for atheism cause no one I mean NO! ONE! PERSON! was there to witness it.. right
therefore you can not have any scientific proof for anything(that has not been witnessed or seen)cause science is the accumalation and classification of OBSERVABLE FACTS! therefor since no one witnessed the creation of earth and man no one! can proov that we evolved or were created
therefore its is impossible to know so stop making things up smile gosh,,but
theres is one way of knowing is to die....
ok no guees what I'M A CHRISTIAN!!!!!!
and know why!!!!!!???????
!. cause if ther was a chance in one hundred million trillion million trillion.tetc... you get thge point that God was real wouldnt you want to try going to heaven???
(if not your a stupid idiot as everyone already will knows)
and if there was a CHANCE in one hundred million trillion million trillion..etc ...........,.you get the point that there was a HELL would YOU risk it!???????????
I mean its stupid to risk it right so why not take the chance of heaven and not risk going to Hell... well duh it makes perfect sense (but your probly so fedup with yourselves that you think youir pleaseure is more important than going to heaven !!!!!!!!!)
so i believe for this one reason:
( ITS MAKES MORE SENSE THAN ANYTHING ELSE ITS THE MOST LOGICAL THE MOST ENJOYABAL EXPERIENCE YOU'LL EVER HAVE!
SO PLEASE LISTEN I don't mean to shuve it into your face or anything but everything I've said makes perfect senses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:28 pm
 @narxfang: Okay, so first of all, your facts about the church isn't true.
The catholic church around Martin Luther's time wasn't a fake church. It was still important to many people's faith, it just happened to be a little overindulgent.
Secondly, there is proof that humans have evolved.
If you took a biology class, you would know that.
We have a tailbone, a third eyelid, an appendix, and many other organs that have no use now, but were useful a long time ago.
So really, there is scientific proof that humans have evolved.
Also, scientists don't say that humans were created from nothing, since that is thoroughly impossible. There are many theories of how humans were created, and, as you already stated numerous times, no one knows for sure which is right, because there are no witnesses.
By your own logic, since no one was there to witness anything in the beginning, God must not exist.
So no, everything you said does not make perfect sense.
You can choose to believe what you want, but I'd rather put my faith in science.  40/50k
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:20 pm
x3 thisismysn x3 @narxfang: Okay, so first of all, your facts about the church isn't true.
The catholic church around Martin Luther's time wasn't a fake church. It was still important to many people's faith, it just happened to be a little overindulgent.
Secondly, there is proof that humans have evolved.
If you took a biology class, you would know that.
We have a tailbone, a third eyelid, an appendix, and many other organs that have no use now, but were useful a long time ago.
So really, there is scientific proof that humans have evolved.
Also, scientists don't say that humans were created from nothing, since that is thoroughly impossible. There are many theories of how humans were created, and, as you already stated numerous times, no one knows for sure which is right, because there are no witnesses.
By your own logic, since no one was there to witness anything in the beginning, God must not exist.
So no, everything you said does not make perfect sense.
You can choose to believe what you want, but I'd rather put my faith in science. 40/50k I'd like to add to this. Not only is all of this correct but Narx, If there is a one in a zillion chance that god exists, what would be his motive for sending someone like myself who has lived a so-far good life without the 'sin' that many bear on their shoulder, to hell JUST because I find it more possible that he doesn't exist? Surely if thats the case then there are more people in hell than even the devil would know what to do with. Isn't the 2nd coming of god supposed to be a choice? Go with him or stay with Satan? I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that if God himself came up to me and offered me a place in heaven and acceptance of him or continuing to live on the earth with hell, well that certainly isn't much of a choice unless you somehow find eternal damnation appealing. My point is, there is no reason for God to condemn you solely because you are ignorant of him, and if that were the case, would you really want a god like that?
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:13 pm
Being allowed to eat the flesh of aborted babies is probably my main reason.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:42 pm
Right off the bat I will tell you that I am not atheist, but do not believe in organised religions. I'm ok with others being a part of them, as long as they are not hypocritical, which is hard to find these days.
For instance a friend of mine is very religious and goes about preaching God this and God that, or the bible says this and that. Then the next things that come out of her mouth are,"I had sex with so-and-so." Uh. . .Wait a minute. Doesn't that go AGAINST you so-called beliefs. BAM! hypocrite.
That's reason number one for me. Most organized religions are just a bunch of hypocrites who want to go to someplace that probably doesn't even exsist after death by following some false morals.
Anyway.
I'm also not big on the fact that every religion is always begging for some cash. I always remember going to church as a kid and hearing the same freaking story every week about the rich person who gave a little, and the poor guy giving all they had to the church. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!
And a story like that came from The Bible? Wow.
There's reason number 3 for me. The Bible. It's a book and you listen to it? Ya know, hitler wrote a book too. Are you going to follow everything it says in there? didn't think so!
Reason 4. I really just don't see a point. I mean does it really matter where you go when you die? I mean, when you're dead, you're dead. Why not have some fun while you're here on earth ey?
The way I see it is if you really want to get into heaven, or the afterlife or wherever, just be nice to people, don't judge anyone too too harshly (we all do it, admit it. We're only human.) And did I metion being nice? Ok. No religion needed to do those things. mrgreen
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:22 am
I simpler terms, religion, good idea, helps learn morals, organized religion, bad, taking advantage of people's beliefs to basically be saw as beyond human (hmmmm, maybe the pope, perhaps)
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:05 pm
most right hand path religions have ended up being hypocritical at one time or another, and they all seem to say the same thing, if you do this, and be good you will go to a good place after you die, if you don't you go to a bad place
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:04 pm
narxfang Atheism isn't a religion, but rather a lack of one. Theism = religion. Theism broken into two parts - Poly(many) or Mono(one). The A before the theism in atheism makes it the opposite of theism. Meaning - Atheism isn't a religion. (but it is),,, ok heres a point I have to make many people and most SHOULD KNOW! that the old church(meaning old catholic church like before martin luther) was a fake trick to take peoples money, so of course there are fake churches that branched off that.. so I'm going to talk more on my religion which can be considered Christianity but i prefer to call it "the undeniable fact." that its impossible for people to in anyway evolves ,mutate or form from nothing!... so you say we made up God ...right ....NO! you see even if God does NOT exist then there is still no proof for atheism Oe hundred million trillion million trillion.etc... you get the point that God was real wouldn't you want to try going to heaven??? (if not your a stupid idiot as everyone already will knows) and if there was a CHANCE in one hundred million trillion million trillion..etc ...........,.you get the point that there was a HELL would YOU risk it!??????????? I mean its stupid to risk it right so why not take the chance of heaven and not risk going to Hell... well duh it makes perfect sense (but your probably so fed up with yourselves that you think your pleasure is more important than going to heaven !!!!!!!!!) so i believe for this one reason: ( ITS MAKES MORE SENSE THAN ANYTHING ELSE ITS THE MOST LOGICAL THE MOST ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE YOU'LL EVER HAVE! SO PLEASE LISTEN I don't mean to shove it into your face or anything but everything I've said makes perfect sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Because from what I've seen, if that is the One True God, he is a horrible being for sending people who never had the chance to learn of him to an eternity of fire and torture because they didn't praise and glorify him. And what kind of good being creates all of this just so that the little ants will go on about how awesome he is? How messed up is that?
Additionally if in the end we go to Heaven or Hell and that's that for all of time, why should it matter? Unchanging, unending monotony for all of time doesn't really seem like it would matter after a while. I mean there is only so much torture or pleasure that one can endure before it loses all meaning. If anything I would guess that Hell would be the long term better on, because things would change a little bit from time to time. "OK, now instead of torturing you with these whips, I'm going to change things up today by hanging you from hooks by your skin and poking you with red hot metal rods."
And there wouldn't be that jackass who created two people with no sense of right and wrong, (meaning that they didn't know that it was wrong to disobey him) and then give them such easy access to the one thing he didn't want them to do, and then can't just forgive them after they do it, even though he should have known that they would because he knows all, and has to set up this whole contrived system, so that maybe, if they believe that he's there with the help of a book full of hate and that has been proven wrong on many things they can come to find his love. Right. Because he can't just forgive us. My dad will forgive me anything, without me having to jump through hoops, so I guess he loves me more then god does.EDIT: Wow that's long. I put in different colors to hopefully make it a bit easier on the eyes, and to break it up a bit.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:08 pm
I never did take "Just because." or "Just believe me." for an answer so the bible never did make sense to me. I never could bring myself to believing in the invisible so I don't even still.
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:38 pm
Im Atheist,I don't beleive in God because,well come on.Why hasn't he stopped all these terrible things happening,why are so many diseases killing innocents that 'he' so called made.
And the world was formed out of Dust,the particles changed in the heat of the sun then blah,Earth is made.
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:07 am
I am not an atheist nor do I believe that people should be! To feel that god is unforgiving or makes people suffer isn't up to him its because of events in our lifetime to cause these horrible things to happen, such as our economy, greed, and just plain being human. It is in our nature to destroy, and thats exactly what has happened we(humans) have distroyed what he has created. And thus cancer, and other deadly diseases have been the cause of alot of death... My mother suffered then died of cancer, i always wondered why did god put her through that! but, it wasn't god it was because she didn't respect and take care of her body while living...
I guess we will never know untill we die but, all I know is this, its how we live our life and what kind of teachings we leave behind that matters! I know that is holy and sacred smile
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:57 pm
people become atheist because they dont want to have so many rules to live by so that they can do whatever they want with no guilt
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:21 pm
Nick Daggett people become atheist because they dont want to have so many rules to live by so that they can do whatever they want with no guilt
Oh, so because I'm athiest, I automatically have no conscience or morals.
People like you make me sick. Automatically you group us with criminals and debauched party animals.
Just because I don't believe an omnipotent, timeless, invisible, silent creator made everyone and everything in the universe, because there's absolutely no physical evidence that can prove it's even real, doesn't mean I just want to fuck chicks, get drunk all the time, and rob a convenience store without feeling remorseful.
You need to change the way you think, kid.
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