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This is rather fun to watch.If I may throw my two cents in,Resident Evil 4 would be a hell of a lot better if they had kept the the original Prototype.It was cancelled because it came off as to paranormal as aposed to the zombified living ded type scenario.But I think it could've worked,like maybe the T-Virus was converted into a type of hallucinogen
that made safe areas appear dangerously inhabbited by monsters,and the point was in the begining to search for clues on the remaining fragments of the T-Virus,until Leon is infected and has to not only expose this new threat,but find an antidote.I don't know,maybe I'm just babbling.

But again, when I speak out against RE4, I know how much it sucks. And even though I haven't played RE5, I know what happens, all the stupid plot points that make it pretty much worse than RE4. My point is, yeah, if someone said, "RE4 is better than RE1 2 or 3," yeah, that's blasphemy. But for me to like the musical (which is awesome) better than the movies... Okay, let's just say... If someone came in here and said, "I like the Resident Evil movies better than the games" talking about the older games, I'd disagree with them, sure, but I wouldn't call it INFINITY TIMES MORE BLASPHEMY. That's excessive, dude.

I don't know what you mean by "Evil Dead horror community." Are you trying to say people who like Evil Dead as a horror title and take it 100% seriously? Cause people like that need to lighten the hell up and see the humor in it. Pretty much every Evil Dead fan that I know of who has watched the musical, loved it. That's how it is. And yes, a good friend of mine, who's a huge horror buff, and a 100x bigger Evil Dead buff than I am, loved the musical. He was the one who recommended it to me. So if you're trying to say that true Evil Dead fans wouldn't like the musical, that's just not true.

What community? Like I said, out of all the people I know who are Evil Dead fans, I'm the only one who saw the musical first, and THEN all the movies.

Never have I said that most Evil Dead fans would prefer the musical to the movies. I said I do. And some might. But there ya go, the musical is awesome, and you're missing out big time by not seeing it.

Sorry, dude, but how can you make a comparison like that? The movies have been out since the 70's, and are accessible everywhere. The musical has been out for 7 years, and is only accessible wherever it's playing. So of course more people have seen the movie and the musical. The musical might be sold out ALL the time, but that's because those Evil Dead fans that you speak of, love it so much they go to see it twice, thrice, five times, however many they can afford, I'm sure. I've seen whole families go with shirts five times more covered in dried fake blood from the previous times they went. And for every Evil Dead fan in Toronto, think of how many there are outside of this city who simply don't have the access or the $50 to pay for the musical. So of course more people have seen the movies first.

Again, I'm not saying they would. I'm just saying, they could understand why I would, because the musical is that awesome, and I didn't grow up with Evil Dead, even though it's always been on my radar.

Well, get over it, then! I didn't like the first movie, big freakin deal! Can't I have an opinion? You know how I often talk about that ever awesome RPG Persona 3? And Persona 4? The two games that buried Final Fantasy as my favorite RPGs. Well, guess what. Persona 1 sucks. There's a ton of Persona fans who would disagree with me on that, but that's how I feel.
And heck, it's not like I think Evil Dead 1 sucked, I just found it a little bit boring, and a bit slow paced for my taste. Yeah, I get that it's because it was made in the 70's and back then movies were slower and longer and all that, but I've watched plenty of long 70's movies that kept me interested all the way through. So I dunno what it is, but I found that Evil Dead dragged on a bit. There were a couple of parts where I found it creepy where nothing was happening, kind like that foreboding creepiness and realization of the situation, but all in all, it was a long movie with not very much happening in it. That's how I feel. I'm sorry if that offends you, but hey, as I recall you didn't enjoy Silent Hill 2 very much, and that's my favorite in the series. So live and let live, man.

So if someone says, "I like Evil Dead, but I don't think it's the best" or whatever, you just say, "Then your opinion doesn't matter, so we have nothing to talk about"? That's harsh.

Well, you were the one who used the term, "Blasphemy" first. Saying that me saying that the Evil Dead Musical is better than the movies is more blasphemous than you likinf RE4. Hell, I don't think either is blasphemous. Saying that RE4 is scarier or has a better storyline than the previous RE games, THAT'S blasphemous. Like, if I said that Ryan Ward the original Ash from the musical makes a better Ash than Bruce Campbell, yeah, that's when you call blasphemy and chop my head off with a chainsaw, but I never said that.

See? Calm the hell down. I'm not saying that the musical has more fans. But using the term Blasphemous for something like that is blowing it WAY out of proportion, dude. And if that's how the community you interact with reacts, then y'all need to take a ******** chill pill.. I mean, I own the movies, and I enjoy them, especially the latter two, and I have the video games, and some comics, and all that. So all in all, I like the franchise. But I guarantee you that there are people out there who don't like the movies, it's simply not their cup of tea.. Hell, my mother is one of them. But she still loved the musical, so obviously she thinks the musical is better than the movies. How is that blasphemous?

At most, it would be blasphemous, if I said I was a hardcore fan of the franchise, but prefer the musical to the movies. But I never said I was hardcore about it. I'm a fan, sure, but I mean, there are at least 10 other franchises that I'm more hardcore about than Evil Dead, in terms of movies alone.

Well, I'd say the musical would be something more along the lines of the RE1 novel... A retelling of the original story in a different format.

EDIT: Oh, and by the way, Chase... Comparing Resident Evil series to Evil Dead, and saying that RE4 is like Army of Darkness... THAT's blasphemy. Unless, of course, you think Army of Darkness bastardizes the Evil Dead franchise.

Or, forget RE. Let's take Rambo, for example. First Blood, the original Rambo movie was based on a book that was quite different. Now, Rambo is definitely one of those franchises that I can say I AM hardcore about. But I still like the movie better than the book it was based on. As a book, yeah, it's my favorite novel, but comparing the novel to the movie, I prefer the movie. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, but I mean... I could say, for example, "Mortal Kombat inspired me to want to get into video game development" and yeah, it was my biggest inspiration, but Resident Evil was there too, and Final Fantasy and Metal Gear and Silent Hill, and very other game on that list, man. So yeah, you said Evil Dead influenced you wanting to become a director, but I didn't know to what extend. And also, I just always assume you're talking about the franchise, meaning Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness included. And like I said, those two I love.

Well, then let's leave it with the fact that I think you severely misuse the term 'blasphemous'. You make me sound like a ******** heretic, or something, man.




Well, I meant purely in sheer mechanics. And even then, I only mean controlling the character, the fluidity of the gameplay and the comfort of aiming. But even the enemies aren't that well done, most games have a lot better programmed enemies. Ones that don't run up to you and then slow down as soon as they get close. Bottom line is, just because it's polished and balanced doesn't automatically make it a good game.

I never said you would. But still, the musical actually encompasses Evil Dead 1 and 2, and in that respect, there's tons more hilarity than in ED2. But even more so if you've actually seen the original. So to me, the musical was even better the second time around after I watched the movies.

Yeah, but still, even if you do take part 1 seriously, if that keeps you from enjoying the humorous interpretation of it in the musical, you do need to lighten up.

I never said, he did... I just said he loved the musical, and loved the movies, and hell, he even recommended Evil Dead Regeneration to me. He said, "That's one game that's worth playing just for the humor alone." Only later did I discover that it was actually a really fun game, humor or not. But my point is, he's a huge Evil Dead fan, and he loved the musical.

No, I know, but you're saying it like the community around ME all saw the musical first. And I don't know anyone else besides me who did.

Well, it's like this... I mean, let's broaden a bit... Broad...way a bit... My favorite Disney movie of all time is Lion King, right? Well, I haven't seen the theatrical production of it... But it's very possible that if I did see Lion King in Broadway, the scale of it, the beautiful acoustics, the elaborate costumes, the ingenuity of having to do certain complicated things live, all of that might make an overall better and move overwhelming experience than just the Disney movie. And yes, the disney movie might have some kick a** voice actors, great animation, and of course the nostalgia factor, but still, I can't say that seeing the live production of Lion King, that I wouldn't like the musical better than the movie. And yeah, you might not like musicals... But what if there WAS a die hard Evil Dead fan like you, who was also a big fan of theatrical musicals. Don't you think it's possible that combining those two things he loves would prove to be a better overall experience for him?

Well, what I meant was, that's all that I really appreciated about it. How much it did with how little. That's not bashing it... I mean, okay, here's the thing. I might have had wrong expectations. I actually thought that Evil Dead earned its fanbase because it was so bad it was funny... So when I started watching it, I was expecting some laughs, and there were none...
And I didn't find it scary. And don't make such a big deal out of that, because as I recall, you said you didn't find Silent Hill 2 scary either. So we obviously have different factors that we find scary in horror.
So to me, the only aspect of Evil Dead that I found cool, was the fact that the events so closely mirrored the musical (some things even word for word). Maybe eventually I'll give it a watch with full intent on being immersed in its horror and I'll have a different experience.

Well, NOW it is.

Well, you made it sound serious. Where as I was joking. Of course you're my son.

I just think it's awesome. The overall franchise. I think Bruce Campbell is an excellent and very underrated actor, and I think the character of Ash is probably the coolest Horror protagonist ever. Of course, my favorite horror movie franchise, Nightmare on Elm Street, I watch for the Antagonist.



Well, so is the musical. And it points out so. Like, when Annie and Ed meet Jake, they're like, "Are you just standing here all alone?" And he's like, "Yep. I was supposed to be here with my wife, Bobbie Joe, but since those trees already chased that young girl in the woods, Bobbie Joe would've been a bit redundant."
Things like that. So obviously the musical is also seperate thing from the main series. That's what I'm saying. But honestly, with RE, the novel DID have a more fleshed out story than RE1, for obvious reasons. So as far as the story goes, until REmake came along, I considered the first novel to be canon.

Well, when you do that, and then say "INFINITY" and "RE4" and all that. Makes it seem a lot more meaningful.

Well, I still can't wait for Peace Walker. I mean, honestly, if Kojima ends Metal Gear, where am I gonna get tactical shooters? Syphon Filter is done. What, am I gonna invest in SOCOM? Or Splinter Cell? ******** that, man.


EDIT: There's a difference between revolutionary and a trend setter. RE4 was a major trend setter... But hey, if that's your definition of revolutionary, then I was revolutionary myself, back in high school.
Revolutionary would've been changing a genre entirely or creating a new scope to that genre, and while RE4 was a transgression that almost phased Survival Horror out of existence, methinks that Survival Horror may rise again yet.
Like I said, there have been games with behind the back camera before RE4, so that's not new. Mario 64 was something entirely new. It was adding a completely new dimension to the platformer genre, which drastically changed the genre itself. But whatever, if you wanna call that revolutionary, then sure, RE4 was as revolutionary as the Nazi party. 6 million dollars worth of Survival Horror games were wasted.

I guess here's what I'm saying, RE4's importance is overrated as hell. Yeah, it did get a lot of immitators, but if RE4 never existed, and those immitators ended up doing something different, the video game industry probably would've been a better place.
See, the problem isn't that the market is oversaturated with it. The problem is that it claimed to be Survival Horror. So then every Survival Horror developer said, "Well, if THAT'S survival horror, then let's make our game like that. People like that!"
And despite what you say, Stranger, RE4 is no more horror than Gears of War.
But here's the thing... When GTA came out, and all the immitators followed. Particularly the ones with cities and cars, not just sandbox in general. I mean, games like Gangs of London, True Crime, etc... None of them did it as well as GTA. GTA still had, and still HAS the most refined gameplay mechanics in that type of game.
With RE4, quite a few "immitators" as you call them did it better. Gears of War, Uncharted, Metal Gear, all those games that you say took ideas from RE4, did them better. Which makes RE4 obsolete. Quite frankly, just the way I felt Mario 64 was obsolete after playing Banjo Kazooie.
The only immitators that didn't live up to the RE4 formula are the ones that tried making a survival horror game. And chances are, most of them at least pulled a decent horror aspect of it, even if the sheer mechanics lacked in finesse.

Dino Crisis is a different franchise altogether. Comparing them is like saying, "You didn't like FF12!? But it lifted its battle system almost directly from Parasite Eve! So how can you like Parasite Eve!?" It's called standards, dude. When I want to play Resident Evil, I'm expecting Resident Evil, not.... THAT... Whatever the hell you'd call RE4.
And the dinosaurs did make better enemies. Not only in the coolness factor, but in the way they functioned too.
Like I said, RE4 has solid gameplay mechanics, that might be fun to play. The parts im knocking are the ones that made it stupid. Such as backflipping on Leon's behalf... Who's the precursor to that? Devil May Cry? And the enemies, of course. That game had some of the most idiotic ideas for enemies, save a couple. The way they looked, the way they functioned.

And yes, the RE4 topic has been done to death. Look, it's not gonna keep me from throwing out the occasional, "******** RE4, it sucked." I'm as sick of having actual discussions about it as you. It was Canas who wanted to follow up on it.


Well, I haven't played RE5, so I'm not gonna say anything about its gameplay.

Well, dude, here's the difference. RE4 created a big bag of s**t from scratch. It was all new s**t.
With RE5, it's more like it took everything we know and love, and converted it into s**t. Digested it? Whatever. Point is, RE5's storyline is worse than RE4, in the same way that UC's storyline is worse than RE4. And I don't just mean the retconning, that 2003 Russia chapter sucked dingo balls too. RE4 might be bad, and taking into a new direction. But it's that much easier to ignore.
Once you hear, "Main storyline has Wesker! And they're gonna show Spencer! And Jill is supposedly dead! And origins of Progenitor! And LICKERS are in it!!!" Yeah, clearly that's gonna draw attention and make the fans go, "I want I want!" And when all that does turn into s**t... Look, no offense to you, or Canas, or whoever... But actually liking and defending RE5's plot, despite it ruining yet another character (the way RE4 ruined Leon and REUC ruined Wesker)... That's some fanboy goggles right there. And hey, I used to be in the same boat. When RE4 came out, I loved it. Why? Because it had Resident Evil on the title, and all things Resident Evil were sacred and holy. The fact that I spent $300 on the Wii and Umbrella Chronicles... Even if I didn't get any of that money back, I still would've been greatful to UC for opening up my eyes to the fact that the series is s**t now. You can put all the awesomeness funzies gameplay you want in it, but great gameplay doesn't make a great franchise.

And yes, you can tell me that you loved Dead Space all you want. I know you did. But I thought it sucked. I thought it was a whole lot of potential and resources flushed down the drain.

Well, even Chase is willing to give it a chance. So, I'm not gonna try to change your mind, dude, all I'm saying is... As you like to so adequtely put it, "more power to us."

And if you wanna follow up on any of that, Stranger, please, let's just take it into the debate forum, make it useful.

Yes, that's true... But I still disagree... About the fact that liking the musical more than the movies is MORE le gasp than liking RE4 better than the classics. Let alone IN-FI-NI-TY times more.

Well, that's a little different. Because it would be a completely different story if the musical was a sequel to Evil Dead, and Sam Raimi said, "There, that's the true continuation from Army of Darkness. That's what you guys get. And it's done with singing."
Yeah, then there would probably be something to complain about.
The musical is like I said, a different interpretation of the same story.

But again, there's different ways of looking at it.
Like, if you said RE4 was a better horror game than the classics.
Or if you said that Leon was cooler in RE4 than in RE2. Or whatever.

So like I said, I'm not disputing the fact that yes, Bruce Campbell is the true Ash. And yes, the original Evil Dead is a horror movie at its core, and has a completely different atmosphere than the musical. Obviously.

But it's almost like... If you had said, "I'm a huge fan of Action Shooters. So I enjoyed playing RE4 better than the other ones." Yeah, that's totally justified, I'm speaking to a completely different type of gamer, then. And as much as I love the horror genre, I do like musicals in general (Except Rent and crap like that), so to me, it really doesn't get much more awesome than Evil Dead The Musical.

Well, then you know how I feel when I talk about RE. So I expect to have your back next time someone pulls the, "It's just a game" card on me.

It is a shame. But Evil Dead never reached Russia. And even in North America, I have never-ever seen Evil Dead 1 or 2 playing on TV. So I really couldn't even watch them until I went out of my way to go and get the DVDs.

I just saw Evil Dead The Musical advertisements, and I said, "Well, let's see... It's got zombies, it's got Ash with his classic Chainsaw, (I have seen parts of Army of Darkness before that) and it's a musical. Sounds like an all winning combination to me." I went to see it, loved the hell out of it, and decided to explore further into the franchise. And I don't regret it.

Woo, how 'bout them Dodgers?

Took it to the debate forum: Link

Though I don't think I'll have much to say, even if you follow-up, Bio. Think I've spoken my piece on the subject and proven my point. No point arguing about it further, really.

Well yeah, not necessarily. But still, there are hundreds of different ways of looking at it. I mean, that's like saying, "I hate Silent Hill games, so I'm not gonna like Shattered Memories," but the fact is, Silent Hill Shattered Memories IS very different from all Silent Hill games. So it's like that... And frankly, out of all the musicals I've ever seen, Evil Dead is definitely unlike any of them. I mean, it's the only musical I've ever seen or heard of that splatters the audience with fake blood. That's the kind of thing I'd more expect our of a Heavy Metal concert.

So, are you saying you're the type of gamer that can ignore the bastardization of the storyline just for fun gameplay? Cause yeah, then we've got a huge difference there. See, the thing is, to me, video games are about immersing oneself into an artificial universe. And if I completely hate the artificial universe, it's hard to do. Hell, impossible to do.


Wait, rephrase that? I'm not sure what you mean.

I remember the good ol' days, when I used to say the same thing about Resident Evil franchise. Well, not anymore.

RUR

RUR is gonna be my new saying. It's like HUA, only it stands for "Read Understood Replied"

Trust me, it's not. How many Silent Hill games have you played though? I mean, clearly a musical is still a musical. It still has actors on stage, and they still sing.
So yeah, it's like that. It's like, if you play RE2 and RE4 and that's it, you might say, "It's still RE, there's guns, monsters, labs," whatever. So yeah, it depends on how you define it. If you play every single Silent Hill game in order of release, and THEN play Shattered Memories, it'll be a very, very different experience, trust me. So it's like that, because you HAVE seen more than just one musical in your life, right?


Yeah, but I mean... Imagine if you change the avatars. Imagine playing Streets of Rage, only you're playing as... Let's say an avatar of a character you don't like... I dunno, I wanna say Barney the Dinosaur, but maybe you like Barney, so I dunno if that's a good analogy for you. And you're beating up other characters that don't fit into a beat-em-up at all. And the music is really annoying, and the backgrounds are all flowers and happiness and stuff... And it's neither here nor there, all there is are gameplay mechanics... Would you still enjoy it?


It's how it is when half the reason I bothered buying the game in the first place was the storyline. Only to find out it was THAT.