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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:02 pm
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Hey, I just made a new word. Fabulous.
Obviously there are many different kinds of Atheists, as we don't have any kind of dogma or religious text. There are those who simply do not believe, those who are against spirituality on the whole, those who are against organized religion (I like to believe I fit into this category), those who crap their diapers and can't say a word (Infants go into this category), etc etc.
Not only is there a difference between our beliefs (or rather, lack thereof), but there is also a different in how we act in accordance with these beliefs. I, for one, don't really care about the religious, just the religion, so, in order not to be a major hypocrite, I don't bother people who do believe. If asked about my lack of a religious affiliation, I simply explain them in a non-threatening manner. If asked to go further, it will inevitably turn into an argument or debate-like conversation, so I will become a little more aggressive, prompting the person I'm talking with to explain why they choose to believe, and also doing my best to convince them of how illogical their reasoning is, as it is done in a debate. Though, this isn't to say I don't fight against the "religious right." Should I find myself or a fellow disbeliever, or even a religious person, being harassed by members of the god squad, I will fight for the right to choose a personal religion. Like I said, I'm against the organized religions, not the religious people themselves, as long as they're not being, for the lack of a better adjective, douche bags.
But that's just me, what about you, my fellow secular humanists? Does your behavior reflect your stance of religion/spirituality? Or rather, do you avoid the usual confrontation that occurs as a result your disbelief?
And as extra credit; what do you do when you see someone being insulted for their beliefs?
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:54 pm
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:56 am
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I also cannot say I'm fond of organized religion. Organization usually leads to political power, which is not good for a country of supposed religious freedom.
My behavior though, varies. I collect antique books, many of which are religious texts. I really enjoy studying religion, because to me, it's a study of human delusions. If conversations turn to religion, I usually just discuss my opinions as they come up. I don't jump the gun and spew out fallacies of what the other person believes. Half my friends don't even know I'm atheistic, and some of them are even hard-core Christians. It's all about personal beliefs to me, so that shouldn't affect our friendship anyway.
I think the most I've ever done is a school project about separation of church and state. (and mind you, the friend who did it with me is a pretty strong Christian)
So, uh, yeah. That's how I feel about it. eek
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:47 am
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:01 am
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:01 pm
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:24 pm
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:46 pm
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:11 pm
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I don't flaunt my atheism. I don't flaunt being vegetarian, or a homosexual. Because all you do is get criticized, and even physical threats of violence, sadly enough.
Every once in a while I might post a blog reflecting my hate towards the ignorant side of religion, but mostly, I don't really care. People are people, and as I think the Catholic and Christian church have demonstrated for the past 2000 years or so, religion really has nothing to do with your personality. Some people are good, and some people are bad. It doesn't matter what religion or cult or group you're part of. I only dislike the ignorant and the extremist, or those who try to limit learning, or bring together church and state. I'm against organized religion. When church gains power and control, that's when corruption starts.
I grew up in agnostic household. My parents, I think, wanted me to beleive in god, but to me god was never any different than Santa. Oh, it's just some guy who gives you s**t for behaving well. Big whoop, my parents buy me tons of s**t too. But anyway, I somewhere realized along the way I wasn't like the average American who went to church and said their prayers, and then farther along the way realized I was atheist. So I just grew up accepting everybody, because that's what I was taught as a kid (my dad was Jewish as a kid. o.O; So strong emphasis on acceptance.) I've never ever pushed my beliefs upon others, though unfortunately others push their beliefs upon me. It's quite a tragedy that my own father who encouraged me to think for myself tells me that I'm not atheist and I only thing I am. I only argue when people try to force me to beleive in their god, but, you really can't have an intelligent debate with somebody who is irrational.
When I see other people being insulted, I'm usually just watch, and listen until I grasp the situation. Then I might step in.
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:06 pm
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Yes, I think my behaviors reflect my thoughts. I don't like organized religion, but i have no problem with spiritual or religious people (btw, I see religious as believing in a higher power, and spirituality as just....like....zen or something clean feeling like that (different for eveyone, of course)....but they don't have to gohand in hand. I'm spiritual, not religious) They have a right to believe what they want, and if we tried to take that from them, we wouldn't be humanists. I go to a Unitarian church, where I feel a lot of the spirituality and openness (if you aren't familar with Unitarians, we're veeeeery open) without the whole "God is the Savior" deal. What I don't tolerate is intolerance. I hate hate (paradox much?) Separation of church and state should keep state out of church, not just the other way around. The ill that comes of organized religion comes with power, and when they take it to the state to change laws and make amendments sympathetic with their thoughts and such.
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:35 pm
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I do the same thing. I explain it, but if pushed further, I challenge their beliefs. What's the point of believing in something when you can't back it up? I don't see it as rude; my parents did it with me, and it helped me become a great speaker, IMO.
I have to admit, I really dislike religion. But I don't hate the religious people I know for being religious (specifically the Christian ones). I get frustrated on the off-chance religion is brought up, seeing as they obviously know very little about Christianity, especially when it comes to the hypocrisies of the Bible. stressed It's mind-bending how ignorant people can get...Spirituality, IMO, is silly, but better than religion.
I am very guilty of flaunting my atheism, just as much as I flaunt being an anime geek and bisexual, the latter not as much. xd It's too fun, especially when people ask about it >3
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:11 pm
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Mostly, my response to pamphleteers is a simple 'yeahno.' However, sometimes in the course of my political work I come up against people of various religions. In that case, it is not me-as-atheist that argues against them, but me-as-communist. In that case however, it is not me tring to convince them that they are wrong, but me trying to show the new recruits of the various competing leftist groups that, in short, I am a more consistent communist than the leaders of their organisation.
As Teoka said: What's the point of believing in something when you can't back it up?
Not just that, but what right do you have to any views if you are not convinced of their correctness, and therefor of the incorrectness of all other views?
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